Wheel of Life Mafia -- Sacred Fig Night Three

[Pleonast]

BillMc (Town) is dead.

Night ends on Wed Mar 24.

[Silverjan]

Wow! I don't think I trust Pizza anymore, I feel as if I have been manipulated and it's not a good feeling.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Dead Cat

Did you kill Archangel or did she come over here on her own?

[Silverjan]

So it looks as if AA will arrive here as scum, that will make such a strong scum team and we haven't managed to kill off one of them yet. I no longer trust Squink as much even though I don't want her to be scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by sturmhauke

...what the hell just happened?

A rare instance of a townie doing something that should only come from mafiosi. I feel bad about it but there's little to be done. If it wasn't constantly near or at LYLO in this setup it wouldn't be such a big deal, but it is.

Now's a good moment to repeat that it is just a game, and chill.

Game looks drawn, but I'll stick around.

Mango team, you gotta tell me when to give this up and transmigrate. I would rather be in the know and be a useful body than lose in all 3 realms.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

A rare instance of a townie doing something that should only come from mafiosi. I feel bad about it but there's little to be done. If it wasn't constantly near or at LYLO in this setup it wouldn't be such a big deal, but it is.

Now's a good moment to repeat that it is just a game, and chill.

Game looks drawn, but I'll stick around.

Mango team, you gotta tell me when to give this up and transmigrate. I would rather be in the know and be a useful body than lose in all 3 realms.

If you are Town then I don't want you to transmigrate, although I don't totally trust you anymore I think we should vote for SNF toMorrow because I can't see both of them being Town. When I finally understood your plan I thought it was a good one so I can't really blame you for my votes. I do have a brain even though it's not always obvious.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Wow! I don't think I trust Pizza anymore, I feel as if I have been manipulated and it's not a good feeling.

Well, I have something to say to you.

Jan, I know we've played on several boards and in a lot of games, over a period of many years, though not many recently.

I can tell you this much: You are staggeringly townie in this game.

You are interrogative, mentally pliable, constantly reassessing, you believe the things you believe, you have pressured suspects even if they weren't your first choice of suspect, you've questioned the alignments of the people you trusted, you've got the largest "footprint" in this game, more than any game I can remember you being in.

You have talked about every player, in detail. You're constantly here.

Seeing the light on next to your name has been a joy.

You were basically universally town read by everyone, everywhere. More or less.

Whatever you're doing this game, it's working. I could not find a single thing about your game play that I could even interpret as scummy.

Regardless of your actual alignment here, and screw the results of the round's yeet.

You're always going to beat yourself up about a wrong guess but youre going to take the wrong lesson away from this game.

Everything you're doing is good. It radiates townie-ness.

If other folks vote improperly or guess wrong, and you read them townie and vote with them, it happens, but no one was yeeting you this game, ever.

That's a fact.

I think your game so far has been the shining beacon of villageriness seen across all three realms.

Take THAT aspect of your play to all future games.

You might not have any reason to trust me at all. But I'll repeat all of this when the game is over. It's from me.

[Silverjan]

Oh I see what you mean, if you go to Mango you could help the scum team over there. I am just feeling a bit sensetive at the moment, forgive me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Some of the very best games I've ever played as town, I lost.

I've found 3 out of 4 scums in 4 games back to back to back to back, and lost them all.

Do not be results-oriented.

Find the stuff you're doing that's right and KEEP IT.

You can always make another guess on another round of play in another game. But this is a vast, vast improvement over the King Bowser game, in many ways.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Well, I have something to say to you.

Jan, I know we've played on several boards and in a lot of games, over a period of many years, though not many recently.

I can tell you this much: You are staggeringly townie in this game.

You are interrogative, mentally pliable, constantly reassessing, you believe the things you believe, you have pressured suspects even if they weren't your first choice of suspect, you've questioned the alignments of the people you trusted, you've got the largest "footprint" in this game, more than any game I can remember you being in.

You have talked about every player, in detail. You're constantly here.

Seeing the light on next to your name has been a joy.

You were basically universally town read by everyone, everywhere. More or less.

Whatever you're doing this game, it's working. I could not find a single thing about your game play that I could even interpret as scummy.

Regardless of your actual alignment here, and screw the results of the round's yeet.

You're always going to beat yourself up about a wrong guess but youre going to take the wrong lesson away from this game.

Everything you're doing is good. It radiates townie-ness.

If other folks vote improperly or guess wrong, and you read them townie and vote with them, it happens, but no one was yeeting you this game, ever.

That's a fact.

I think your game so far has been the shining beacon of villageriness seen across all three realms.

Take THAT aspect of your play to all future games.

You might not have any reason to trust me at all. But I'll repeat all of this when the game is over. It's from me.

Don't you make me cry now. Thank you for that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Oh I see what you mean, if you go to Mango you could help the scum team over there. I am just feeling a bit sensetive at the moment, forgive me.

I believe we are headed for a dead draw.

Everyone "loses" but no one really loses.

It's all going to be okay.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Bill got frustrated with the game and rightly so, I think.

That's everything I felt Night 2 when Lotus stomped the remainder of my town over there.

Sometimes the shit that's happening around you isn't fair.

We are all people and sometimes we can't get our fellow townies to agree with us about stuff.

I went through that on Day One of lotus. I pegged both scums correctly but we couldnt get anywhere.

I do believe that a townie should always be able to self preserve in a roleless game. I think if Bill had voted for Lion it would have been correct.

But, not everyone agrees with this premise and even if they did, they can make rash decisions when emotional.

Its all good, its just a game.

BillMc, we've never been really tight, even when we've been scum together. It's hard to see you online much.

At the same time, please know this about me: For years, I recognized you as the probably most difficult townie on this board to sneak bullshit past. You were a terror here for many years. I've been away, so I don't know, but I remember that. It was a well earned reputation.

I know my style is grating, and I put on several socks last year to try to change that.

I can't, this is me. I wish I was... more normal.

People react to me this way a lot. I mean you no stress and I respect you a lot, man.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Faulkner was also brilliant shining townie on day one of Lotus.

Every part of his posts were great.

I got cold feet when he kept multivoting but dude multivoted for the scum.

He hit the one in ten or whatever it was, without boxing them in first. Dude's a beast yesterday phase there, he just got outvoted.

If town hadn't lost Lotus in a single day, SNF would be the MVP of the game over there.

Raven was also villagery enough to spot.

Archangel sat there with me for days working through our mutual distrust and misunderstanding of each other and I got there on her, eventually. Enough to say, do not yeet this person, this town tell is stronger than everything I had on her questionably.

That stuff does not come out of thin air.

Those villager reads happen because townies do things, have a process, believe in that process, post, vote, discuss. They radiate their desire to help the village and they show by doing how they will help the village.

I can't claim to have bagged any scum this game at all.

But if townies behave just like all those people I mentioned and be their best selves, in future games, I promise... someone is going to figure out you are town.

Don't look at just the results. Remember the shit you did right.

A lot of townies did a lot of things right here, and it's a shame we dont have much to show for it.

It happens. There's always another guess and another game. But those guesses get more accurate when folks radiate their villageriness then they're village.

It's also handy to remember how you did that when you're scum because that improves your scum game too.

I'm going off on all sorts of tangents here. I can blame myself for my own bad guesses.

What I won't blame is anyone else.

And I will point out, lots of people looked really, really townie this game. I don't vote for people who look really, really townie.

That's a useful skill. If you take nothing else from this game, take that much away from it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I said my piece.

Sorry for the yeet Bill, Lotus wins as scum and you're in it. That's one.

It might be the best result anyone gets anywhere.

I had my shot. I thank everyone for putting trust in me enough to have that shot.

I missed. It's my fault, no one else's.

[Silverjan]

I don't expect to be alive in the Morning so I will chat this Night. If Pizza was scum then where were his scum buddies? The only person that I can think of was me and I am Town. If Pizza was scum then why didn't his scum buddies go along with his plan, knowing that BillMc was Town. Did Lion and Squink just vote for BillMc because they were on the same scum team? If SNF is scum then he voted for Pizza and Lion though. It's complicated. Why would SNF throw down a vote like that and then not come back and change his vote. We know damn well that there are scum here but I can't seem to put the pieces together and finish the puzzle. Ha finish the puzzle, I can't even find the edge pieces. Are scum just distancing themselves from each other? Well that makes a case for everyone in this realm then, good work Jan (sarcasm intended)

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I said my piece.

Sorry for the yeet Bill, Lotus wins as scum and you're in it. That's one.

It might be the best result anyone gets anywhere.

I had my shot. I thank everyone for putting trust in me enough to have that shot.

I missed. It's my fault, no one else's.

It's not your fault. If you are scum you have played a great game and if you are Town then I am happy that you are working so hard on this. BillMc didn't really help himself, he seemed to invested in his game in Lotus and just wanted to send people over to Mango because Town had lost over there. I didn't like that. I hope I will be just as vocal in realm that I play in although being scum is going to be really tough. Maybe scum winning in the other realms will be good for us if we can get a grip on this realm.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Archangel coming over here means the yeet for tomorrow is determined. So, if anyone is tired or needs sleep, its a good day to give the game a much needed break.

We either have the votes to outvote AA or we don't. Mango scum will confirm for us in plain language if she's town or not, and I will trust that information.

That's step one of a long process or it's GG anyway, so it's not worth stressing over.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Dead Cat

Scum team in Lotus is overwhelmingly strong, so they could spare a body.

It would have to be someone who is going to Fig next, but it's doable.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Dead Cat

because if Lotus end up killing TexCat she will end up as Scum there, too (if they kill Lightfoot she can't go there again).

@Dead Cat

I think that's right, and-

Originally Posted by TexCat

I don't know how town ever wins. I'll be dead before we get an infusion.

I think TexCat is already planning on coming over here, actually, whether Lotus kills her or not.

If that's the case, then our best bet is to fortify in Mango to hold the draw.

Discuss it with Mahaloth (and/or Raventhief?) and get back to me.

You guys need to tell me before night ends.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I completely forgot that I need to do the thing. There was a thing I was supposed to do after the round ended. Welp.

Without any further a doo-doo

[Askthepizzaguy]

@TexCat

I've been waitin' for so long
For more scumbags to arrive
more scum to come along
Now Figgy dreams are comin' true
Through the good times and the bad
Yeah, we'll be standin' there by youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

TexCat you're all that I want
When you're looking on from afar
Townies findin' it hard to believe
We've been scummin'
Another scum is all that I need
And I found it there in your heart
It isn't too hard to see
We're in heaven

There is no more purpose to remaining in Lotus. Your teammates would like you to transmigrate here immediately, before Day ends in Lotus.

Hi, I'm Askthepizzaguy, you might remember me from such games on Giraffe boards where I was scum as this very game.

I, the distinguished Italian sausage pizza do verily declare my scummitude and make plain my alignment for all time. For all time, I daresay. Indubitably!



Quite, rather, indeed, yea verily. It was I that put the Billmc in the hole and told him to put the lotion in the basket. It was I that put the Babale in the hole and told him to put the lotion in the basket. It was I that danced the sexy dance all tucked in, me! Me!!!!

Okay, I hope that's enough of a scum confession to get you properly motivated to find eternal bliss here with me in Fig Land.

And in case it wasn't clear the first time,

Yes. That. It's serious.

I GOT A FEVER!

AND THE ONLY PRESCRIPTION!

IS MORE TEXCAT!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh and if that's somehow not correct then like, any other Fig scums out there should get over here n junk.

Like, no pressure, but kinda quickly if you would please. Game's gonna draw, but we need to hold off any invasion to be sure of that.

K thanx, bai.

[Metallic Squink]

Well, that's a lot to think about. And now if we get overrun with scum and Mango and Lotus are already scum-controlled thunderdomes, where is the balance that Pleo promised us? How was town supposed to win anywhere?

[Askthepizzaguy]

The balance was inside us all along, Squink.

Basically, we vote for townies and then scums win and then no one wins.

And the universe is in perfect balance and harmony. Very zen.

See, I told you guys I was the most serene of all the lotuses.



Now look at me dance! I got more tucks than an NFL quarterback!

[Silverjan]

Wow, just wow. To say I am disapppinted is an understatement.

At least Squink and I didn't vote for each other, that would have been the ultimate betrayal.

[Silverjan]

Pizza, just kill me toNight please cos I have done enough damage here.

[Lion]

I let pizza psyche me out. I was right and worse I knew I was right. Sorry everyone.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Lion

I let pizza psyche me out. I was right and worse I knew I was right. Sorry everyone.

I'm sorry that I didn't believe you. I will take a break after this game.

[Silverjan]

@BillMc, the infallible Pizza wasn't wrong, he was bloody scum.

[Silverjan]

So is Squink saying she was scum all along?

[Silverjan]

Yes Bill, you were and I am sorry

[Metallic Squink]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

So is Squink saying she was scum all along?

No, I didn't say that (because I'm not scum).

[Metallic Squink]

What I don't get is that I feel like Bill had a chance to save himself at one point and chose not to. That is frustrating. Even if no one wins this game, it is still very fun to play.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Metallic Squink

No, I didn't say that (because I'm not scum).

That's what I thought at first, that's why I posted about us betraying each other. I'm glad you are Town.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Metallic Squink

What I don't get is that I feel like Bill had a chance to save himself at one point and chose not to. That is frustrating. Even if no one wins this game, it is still very fun to play.

Bill just got angry and I did understand where he was coming from but he seemed more interested in his scum game than he did with this game. This has been so frustrating, Pizza gloating about it doesn't help either. Babale did the same thing, we have been struggling with Townies not doing anything to help themselves. I am also upset that we didn't have a scum to start with, that meant that we were just killing each other because there were no scum there to kill. I know we could have voted for no lynch but that didn't seem to be the optimal way to play this, turns out I was wrong again. If we ever play this again I am sure Town will do better, we have learnt so much.

[Silverjan]

@LightFoot, it would be nice if I went to Lotus as scum along with you. I can't believe we have never been scum together in over 12 years

[Silverjan]

Sorry, I meant Mango

[Silverjan]

@BillMc, thank you for the apology it is appreciated but I am the one who should be apologising. My game play in this game has been horrendous. I always get over being upset and still come back for more punishment.

[Lion]

Yes we can! Time for crazy play!

[Silverjan]

I think the only way we can win here is if we don't get a another scum at Dawn or else Pizza is the only scum bag here.

[Lion]

I think it is still possible that no one wins because Town wins all games.

I have not been to the Scum boards, but I know the players here (for example, DeadCat, Archangel, pizza) and I can only imagine the three-dimensional chess going on behind the scenes. Should be fun however it turns out.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Lion

I think it is still possible that no one wins because Town wins all games.

I have not been to the Scum boards, but I know the players here (for example, DeadCat, Archangel, pizza) and I can only imagine the three-dimensional chess going on behind the scenes. Should be fun however it turns out.

It would be good to win as Town but scum seem to have such a tight grip in all the realms. Not one scum has been killed yet.

[Silverjan]

If scum were controlling all the realms then wouldn't Pleo just call it. If that is the case then surely we would just be going through the motions of playing.

[Silverjan]

I am the obvious choice for a scum NK because I can't be defeated in a tie at the moment. Despite my despondancy yesterday I am still not quite ready to give up.

There are 3 scum in Lotus and only 2 Town so Town can't win there.

There are only 3 players in Mango and 2 of them are scum, so scum have won there. The only chance Town have in Mango is if another 2 Townies go there and are lower down on the player list. That's if raven is Town there, if she is scum then it means that all of the players there are scum and Town won't be able to win.

Jeez, this is complicated and I might not have everything right but it is fun trying to work it out.

[Lion]

Plot it out Jan and see the potential moves the probable moves, the outside chances moves, the countermoves. Fascinating. Assume traps are laid and spotted, and clever lies told and disbelieved.

What you think you now may not be so. Hmm...

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Lion

Plot it out Jan and see the potential moves the probable moves, the outside chances moves, the countermoves. Fascinating. Assume traps are laid and spotted, and clever lies told and disbelieved.

What you think you now may not be so. Hmm...

What are you trying to say here? I am not following you.

[Silverjan]

It would be nice to think that Pizza is the only scum here and even if another scum comes over, Town could beat scum in a draw.

[Silverjan]

I agree with BillMc, only playing to win as scum is still a loss. I would rather some players won than everyone lose. There is no such thing as a draw. I do see that if M'Haye and Storm came here as Town then they would have both a Town and a scum win.

[Metallic Squink]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

I am the obvious choice for a scum NK because I can't be defeated in a tie at the moment. Despite my despondancy yesterday I am still not quite ready to give up.

There are 3 scum in Lotus and only 2 Town so Town can't win there.

There are only 3 players in Mango and 2 of them are scum, so scum have won there. The only chance Town have in Mango is if another 2 Townies go there and are lower down on the player list. That's if raven is Town there, if she is scum then it means that all of the players there are scum and Town won't be able to win.

Jeez, this is complicated and I might not have everything right but it is fun trying to work it out.

Another consideration, though, is that scum do not know where you are going or what your alignment will be when you get there. They don't know that for me, either. So you or I could screw things up for them in another realm (meaning we may not be good targets for a kill). But you bring up a good point about the tie. I had not thought about that. Right now, I lose every tie which means I'll probably still be here at Dawn.

[Metallic Squink]

@Archangel So you transmigrated? Maybe I missed something but I thought you were night killed because on Day 4 in Mango, I just see that you were "dead" and no one else. Does that mean scum did not kill anyone in Mango on Night 3?