Wheel of Life Mafia -- Serene Lotus Day Three

[Pleonast]

raventhief is dead.

LightFoot has reincarnated here.

Day will end on Wednesday March 24.

[sturmhauke]

Oh my god, you killed Kenny raven! You bastard!

[LightFoot]

I think AA did not TM
so
MHaye or Sturm ( or both) are Scum

now I have to read

But since I lose a tie against either thinking is required.

[Merestil Haye]

[LightFoot]

Why two early votes for Tex

[LightFoot]

Ah Hell!There are only 5 of us and the tie goes to the low numbers
We be screwed if we don't have 3 Town here




I will get in the conversations if we have any

[sturmhauke]

What sort of conversation are you looking for? Have you seen WandaVision? It was pretty good. The ending was perhaps a slight letdown, but overall it's worth a watch.

[sturmhauke]

How about more limericks?

So Pizza assembled a big plan
Confusing to Squink and to S. Jan
They argued for hours
Through grimace and glower -
Is Pizza a townie or conman?

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Ah Hell!There are only 5 of us and the tie goes to the low numbers
We be screwed if we don't have 3 Town here




I will get in the conversations if we have any

Unfortunately, we have at least 3 scum here, which you can tell from poor SNF's execution Day Two. At least they had to give themselves away as scum Day Two. :/

[LightFoot]

Well then, It is going to be a LONG Day

Scum have the upper hand here
Mango is in the same boat.

Fig needs a Town win

there is more math to be done on the implications . But it appears That those destined to be Scum in Mango and Lotus should have a win and those destined to be Town in Fig MIGHT get a win there

rereading the rules - Again

[LightFoot]

TOWN You will succeed in this world when there are no current or future Scum

We are outnumbered here so how the heck can we eliminate Scum?

Scum You will succeed in this world when living Scum strictly outnumber all current and future Town. There are More Town to be joining here ( and of course maybe more Scum)

It appears we won't change the world ToDay but we must maintain hope

[LightFoot]

we should get an infusion Wednesday hope it helps

[TexCat]

I don't know how town ever wins. I'll be dead before we get an infusion. And you'll be dead (probably) before we get to Day 4.

[sturmhauke]

Originally Posted by SNFaulkner

If by "draw" do you mean "we all lose"? I'd be ok with that. I mean, I'd prefer a win, but if I don't get it, NObody getting a win would ease my pain.

This suggests that Faulkner is scum in Fig. We know that he was town in Lotus, and it's not looking good for town here or in Mango. So of course scum would rather everyone lose than they lose and everyone else wins.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by sturmhauke

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This suggests that Faulkner is scum in Fig. We know that he was town in Lotus, and it's not looking good for town here or in Mango. So of course scum would rather everyone lose than they lose and everyone else wins.

Are you discussing SNF specifically here?

[sturmhauke]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Are you discussing SNF specifically here?

Yes, I think he may be scum trying to make everyone lose if he can't win.

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[Merestil Haye]

Right then.



@Mahaloth and others - I hear what you say and will consider unvoting Texcat if necessary. However there are two reasons why I am keeping a vote on her right now.

Assuming I can read through the Fig, I will form my own views as to the gamestate ver there before Dusk - although in practice I have to make my decision about 4 - 5 hours before Dusk owing to medical appointments.

[sturmhauke]

I agree. I'll also point out that Fig's day ends before ours, so we can decide what to do here based on the day's outcome.

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[LightFoot]

WTF can we share some reasoning here

[sturmhauke]

You should read the other threads. The short version is that if Fig gets more scum than they can execute for a town victory, everyone will probably lose. Remember, we can't all win but we can all lose. Specifically, each team needs to win one world a piece, and the third can go either way.

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[LightFoot]

So I get to fall you yer swords to go be Scum in Mango and Tex gets to eventually go to Fig as Scum at a later date
in an effort for Town to win in Fig

but we know that
Town will succeed in x world when there are no current or future Scum.

and Tex is (one of) said future Scum.
Fig needs a Town player so a Scum here (or elsewhere)
needs to eat a sword

Did I miss something?

[LightFoot]

Yes to all of those concerned I have read all phases

[sturmhauke]

That about sums it up, yeah. There is some debate about who exactly is scum in which worlds, and Fig scum would maybe rather blow everyone up if they can't win outright.

[LightFoot]

i am all for the noble gesture for the greater good
but at this time a Scum needs to bite the proverbial bullet

[LightFoot]

and.....................no body wants to talk about it !

[sturmhauke]

@BillMc
@Metallic Squink
@SNFaulkner
@Askthepizzaguy
@Lion
@Silverjan

OK well I can't get a solid read on who is scum or town over there. I'm also not going to name any names over here in Lotus. But I will say this. Yeah, I'm a big old scumbag, and we're not losing over here unless we majorly screw up, something crazy happens, or we decide to intentionally throw it for some reason. The numbers are on our side.

So yeah, I need Fig town to win, since it seems like Mango scum is in the same position today that we were in yesterday - that is, about to assume full control.

[sturmhauke]

These are my current Fig reads, based on some recent back-and-forth. I'm not 100% on any of these, but here goes. Scum in red, town in green:

BillMc
Metallic Squink
SNFaulkner
Askthepizzaguy
Lion
Silverjan

This is also the tiebreak order. Note the alternation - this helps explain why y'all have been so contentious. Town isn't sure who is town, and scum aren't sure they can get a favorable tiebreak and have been attempting to sow discord. Pizza thought I was using this tactic yesterday, but the truth is I was just fucking with him. Go back and read the threads to see what I mean; I'm not going to spell it out right now. Maybe after the game's over.

I'm rooting for you, Fig town. Fig scum, don't try to get in here. You won't like it.

[sturmhauke]

...what the hell just happened?

[sturmhauke]

Originally Posted by Dead Cat

I suppose the question is: are any of the Scum teams willing to loosen their grip on their current realm to try to go and help Town in another realm? It seems to me Mango isn't particularly well-placed for that, but I need to have a look at some permutations.

I'm not going anywhere. As a scum currently at the bottom of the Lotus list, I'd be giving up a strong position, plus I don't know where I'd end up. There may be other options, but we'd have to discuss that.

[sturmhauke]

...what the hell NOW?

[sturmhauke]

I haven't seen a game this crazy since Capo Di Tutti Capo IV 10 years ago. To be fair, I only played a few games online since then, but still. That one was also less a standard mafia game and more a faction vs. faction game, although there was a town faction as well. As I recall, I attempted to form up the townies into a cohesive unit but Pizza went St. Valentine's Day Massacre on us.

[Merestil Haye]

Oh dear. Looks liek ATPG is having his revenge on us for blatantly lynching him.

Still, I'd raather have everyone lose than some win - unless I'm in the winning group of course.

[sturmhauke]

@Dead Cat

I don't like conceding this early. I've proposed a plan to my fellow Lotus scum in our little smoke-filled room. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but it's something. I'll get back to you.

[LightFoot]

hold it

there is a way that everyone can win except Scum Fig

IF Scum fig would co operate

so nevermind I guess

[sturmhauke]

I'm not just going to lie down and accept defeat so everyone else can win. If I lose, I'm going down fighting. If you want to try to win with us, go be scum in Mango. If not, do whatever you want.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by sturmhauke

I'm not just going to lie down and accept defeat so everyone else can win. If I lose, I'm going down fighting. If you want to try to win with us, go be scum in Mango. If not, do whatever you want.

Should I assume you are addressing me?

My idea wouldn't have a negative effect on your win

[sturmhauke]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Should I assume you are addressing me?

My idea wouldn't have a negative effect on your win

Yes, I'm talking to you. No, obviously Fig scum aren't going to just give up and hand it to us either. You just sounded defeatist, so I was pointing out something you can do. I'm waiting to hear back from other Lotus scum on the scum board to see what they want to do.

[LightFoot]

I have no intention of giving up.
I thought I had an idea and realized it would effect all future and current Fig Scum and that would not be acceptable for them.

[sturmhauke]

I'm not particularly interested in what Fig finds acceptable. (Sorry Pizza and whoever, I'm sure you're cool in RL but right now you're the wrong kind of scum.)

For now, I need to protect our base here. That means keeping votes on TexCat and you LightFoot, in case you get it in your heads to try anything. Yeah, that means TCM is one of us and you really had no chance yesterday.

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[LightFoot]

You are stating the obvious
and why so harsh?
This is ridiculous

IF Town can win in Fig 2/3 ( guessing) of the game can win
with both a Town win and a Scum win

those destined for Scum Fig would not meet that condition


If we all get our Scum win then there will be no players that "win"

[sturmhauke]

Town could also attempt to take over here if I left the gates undefended, as it were, and try for a Fig/Mango scum victory. I'm not going to take that risk.

I'm not trying to sound harsh, just stating my position. But I'm also here to win if I can.

[LightFoot]

this realm and Mango are foregone
I can see it- have not seen where any other end is possible

I get that
WTF can Town do?

But I don't think my idea should be discarded out of hand

You appear to have your Scum win in the bank but no Town win at this point.It would be sporting if SOME players could get their Town win too

Am I making sense to Anybody?

[sturmhauke]

Originally Posted by Metallic Squink

@sturmhauke You are coming across as pretty harsh. All this open scumming is kind of annoying, and not just from you.

Originally Posted by Metallic Squink

The problem is that Mango and Lotus scum have all outed themselves. If there is an influx of townies, then they know exactly who to execute.

I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to be harsh. Just playing the game. As for outing myself, I mean it was inevitable by Day 2 just going by the votes. If there was a townie way to get to that same outcome, I don't know what it is.

@LightFoot obviously I want to win, but we disagree about tactics is all.

fnord

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Squink, at the moment a scum team does not have to give up their scum wincon, they can still win as scum and as Town if they do it right.

This is impossible
@Silverjan

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by sturmhauke

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@LightFoot obviously I want to win, but we disagree about tactics is all.

fnord

One Town realm needs to win
What tactic do you suggest?

[sturmhauke]

You should go be Mango scum so you can talk with them. We might be on allied teams, but we don't have that channel between us.

[LightFoot]

I am talking in public there is no reason for this to be a private conversation at this time

Scum is nearly ALL outed

[sturmhauke]

verdant