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Old 25th March 2021, 02:42 PM
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I'll check back in after sleeps.

Don't wait up, it takes a while for people to weigh in and talk it out.
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Old 25th March 2021, 11:46 PM
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@LightFoot at this point I can only explain your unwillingness to move out of Lotus in one of two ways.
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Either you are very much not paying attention to the game, or you are Fig scum attempting to stall for a universal loss. babale is confirmed dead townie in both Fig and Mango, it's in the official records and it's been mentioned multiple times by multiple people.

Lotus scum, past, present, and future, please check the scum board as soon as possible.
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Old 26th March 2021, 05:37 AM
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Checking in.

I see vote movement hasn't happened yet. It's early day still in parts of the world.
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Old 26th March 2021, 05:39 AM
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Remember that any townie that hasn't been scum yet has a very incomplete picture of the world.

Scum in Fig have had 2 other teams outed completely and we know our own makeup, so scum in Fig had the clearest look at the game board since Day 3.

It's easier for us to make a determination of the game state than anyone else, particularly a townie. A lot of mistaken assumptions were made by villagers that would have been cleared up the moment they became scum somewhere I think.
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Old 26th March 2021, 06:04 AM
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@LightFoot

Vote for TheCatsMeow right now.

You win all tiebreakers, TCM loses them.

You can yeet TCM with 1 vote.
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Old 26th March 2021, 06:06 AM
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@LightFoot

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Serene Lotus -- Night Three ends on Fri Mar 26

01. Askthepizzaguy -- Town -- reincarnated Day One -- executed Day One
02. TexCat -- reincarnated Day Two -- died Day Three
03. SNFaulkner -- Town -- reincarnated Day One -- executed Day Two
04. TheCatsMeow -- reincarnated Day Two
05. Archangel -- reincarnated Day One -- died Night One
06. raventhief -- reincarnated Day One -- died Night Two
07. LightFoot -- reincarnated Day Three
07. Merestil Haye -- Scum -- reincarnated Day One -- executed Day Three
08. sturmhauke -- reincarnated Day One -- died Day Three
See?

If you're town, we know TCM is Lotus scum based on his vote with them on Day 2.

You outvote him if you're town today. You do this and Lotus is down to not only 3 maximum members but you cannot be forcibly murdered tonight.

If you don't do this, my sudoku for everyone's alignment in the game is complete and its a dead draw.
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Old 26th March 2021, 06:07 AM
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It literally doesnt matter if he votes for you or not. TCM doesnt have a vote today in essence.

So either your brilliant cosplay of a townie has come to an end, or you become the hero of the day in one realm.
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Old 26th March 2021, 06:11 AM
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Remember, I am the bulletproof innocent child God Emperor of the town of Lotus, it's your villagery duty to obey my commands.

Or something like that.

What a twist it would be if i actually helped yeet a scumbag in Lotus after all that. I think it would count toward keeping my 3 year streak alive.
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Old 26th March 2021, 06:20 AM
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@Dead Cat

If you want to be at the Lotus party, your transmigration order would have to go in relatively now.

If I don't see you dead at the end of the Day phase, there's nothing we can do together.
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Old 26th March 2021, 06:21 AM
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You can get your remaining 2 partners by tomorrow day phase.

It's either adventure time or it isn't. The fate of all 3 realms depends on your next decision.

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Old 26th March 2021, 06:27 AM
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Fig has time to sit and wait and see what you folks do in both realms.

We have a vested interest in winning, so if we see a dead CatsMeow and a dead Dead Cat, then we are obligated by the rules of the game to assist.

Despite my preference to help Mhaye and Sturm win somewhere, that doesn't appear to be viable.
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Old 26th March 2021, 06:33 AM
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@Dead Cat

You have 4 hours to make a decision, think fast.

But it's an easy decision, you go or you definitely lose. You can have 4 scums in Mango tomorrow, we'd need five to invade and there are not five movers in the game.
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Old 26th March 2021, 06:40 AM
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@Mahaloth

There's a 50/50 chance of victory if Dead Cat is offline and you go instead.

Its better than nothing. Read back my past 10 posts or so, and make a decision quickly.

You do not risk defeat with this move. There literally are not enough invaders of Mango in existence.
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Old 26th March 2021, 06:41 AM
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Tick tock on the clock. Will people be online and ready to yeet scums in time, or will it be a dead draw because town couldn't get its act together in any realm even one time?

Find out on the next exciting episode of Dragon Ball Z
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Old 26th March 2021, 06:53 AM
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LOL is it night in Lotus? I'm good at telling time.

Verrrry good at telling time.
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Old 26th March 2021, 06:55 AM
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If it's night in Lotus then yeah its pretty much a dead draw.

I dont see a path forward anywhere. Spent so much time looking at total numbers of people that I didnt account for it being night anywhere.
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Old 26th March 2021, 07:47 AM
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[OOG] Hi Everyone! My neighborhood was hit by a tornado yesterday and our power is out. We are fine but a number of homes very close by are destroyed. It's got me pretty shaken up. We've never had one come so close before. I'm not going to try play on my phone if I don't have to. I'll do my best to keep up and hope the power is back before end of Day. [OOG]
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Old 26th March 2021, 10:05 AM
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@LightFoot I am only stating the facts available to me. I understand you cannot leave until Lotus night is over, but you have also shown an unwillingness to leave. Leaving for Mango frees up both Lotus and Mango scum to do other things that may help win against Fig scum, and also enables you to receive secret Mango scum communication. Staying in Lotus only helps Fig scum. So either you're intentionally helping them, or you're making a bad play.
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Old 26th March 2021, 02:03 PM
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Old 27th March 2021, 07:59 AM
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Old 27th March 2021, 08:15 AM
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Old 27th March 2021, 09:28 AM
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Sigh. I guess it looks like no one is going to win.

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Old 27th March 2021, 09:38 AM
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Old 27th March 2021, 09:52 AM
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Why bother trying to act surprised if you're just going to vote for me anyway? It's not even close to end of day.

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Old 27th March 2021, 03:36 PM
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Arise! Arise, Riders of Lotus! Spears shall be shaken! Shields shall be splintered! A sword day, a red day, ere the sun rises! Ride now! Ride now! Ride! Ride for ruin, and the world's ending!

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Old 28th March 2021, 12:05 AM
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Old 28th March 2021, 12:16 AM
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Wait, that means Lion was scum.

Was... pizza pulling off some sort of epic bluff when trying very hard to convince people to yeet Lion?

That doesn't sound like pizza...
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Old 28th March 2021, 12:25 AM
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So that should make Squink our fifth scumbag.

Unless it was Faulkner all along.

Personally I think it was Faulkner, because distancing/bussing is way more my style than brute force.

But it still could be Squink somehow. She looked very townie though.
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Old 28th March 2021, 12:35 AM
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You obviously know who your scum buddies are. This isn't even credible gloating, it's just spam.
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Old 28th March 2021, 12:46 AM
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The gloating would be like, we barely caught up with the other scum teams just in the nick of time. There were more townies in Fig remaining than in any realm.

Also, we barely held a draw, which means we also get to lose, so... gloating, not so much.

Yay we didn't lose everywhere, is more the sigh of relief we're feeling.

We did need to look villagery enough so that the other teams wouldn't invade us early, thinking we had this on our own, and we also needed to call our allies here in time, and make sure we had the timing down.

It took effort, it wasn't as much of a breeze as what was going on in Mango and Lotus. There were sweat drops on my forehead, no lie.
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Old 28th March 2021, 12:48 AM
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Congrats on yeeting me day one in Lotus.

Day ones usually suck for me, but it was long enough that I eventually got there. Not that it helped.
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Old 28th March 2021, 12:52 AM
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I played day 2 like it mattered, because there's no point in not doing so, but it didn't matter, so I don't feel bad about my wrong guesses that day.

You have to assume the outcome is in your hands, otherwise why play.
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Old 28th March 2021, 12:56 AM
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Old 28th March 2021, 01:11 AM
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Old 28th March 2021, 01:53 AM
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This whole game reminds me of that Ben Finegold story, where he was watching kids play chess, and one kid stalemated the other, and when he moved, he said "stalemate" and he was really excited. So Ben was like, do you know what stalemate is? And he said not really, and Ben said that means the game is a draw. And the kid was like, oh cool. He was happy.

He knew what stalemate was, so he was excited to shout it out when he stalemated his opponent. This game, I felt what that kid felt.
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I think my favorite story was the one where Ben noticed there were no kings on the board, and he asked them about it, and the kids said "no no, we took those a long time ago".

Or the one where the kid kept putting the opposing king in check with his king, and his opponent kept moving away. It was hard to pick which behavior was more silly.
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Old 28th March 2021, 02:06 AM
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There is a possible path for Lotus and Mango to win against Fig, but it depends on some luck* and also TheCatsMeow showing back up. Hope she's ok, she hasn't been online in a while. I'm posting this openly because otherwise we all stare at each other waiting to all lose at the same time. Anyway, it goes like this:
  1. Fig scum are Angel, TexCat, Lion, Pizza, and LightFoot. Yeah, that's right, LightFoot. Nothing else makes sense given the information at hand.
  2. I or another Fig townie gets yeeted today. Another gets murdered at night.
  3. raventhief, Mahaloth, and TCM all transmigrate immediately. They will land in Fig at dawn on Wednesday. That puts the count at 4-4. With some luck, town can control the vote.
  4. If possible, Angel is the priority target - she's the Fig scum higest on the list and will also be removed from play. Next is Texcat for similar reasons. Third is Lion, who would go to Lotus next but not be able to do much. Then Pizza, who would go to Mango.
  5. MHaye will land in Mango on Monday. He's Town there, but he can vote for any Pizzas or LightFoots who decide to make a play for Fig. The other Fig scum cannot return there.
  6. Likewise when I end up in Mango I can help vote off certain Fig scum.
  7. Squink or Faulkner will also be in Mango to join their scum team after they get killed in Fig. While in Fig they can vote off scum.
  8. Lotus is a lock for us. It hasn't been called yet, but it's only a matter of time.
  9. Mango is not that vulnerable, even if raven and Mahaloth leave ASAP. LightFoot is an impostor (sus!), which leaves two more incoming when they get killed in Fig: Squink and Faulkner.
  10. Meanwhile only Pizza and LightFoot can go to Mango as Fig scum.

This is not a guaranteed win. If the vote order is more favorable to Fig, we might all still lose. But it's something.

*Yes I know the player lists are predetermined; the luck is if they are predetermined in a favorable way.
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Old 28th March 2021, 11:50 AM
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Still trying to catch up but I have a few thoughts - sorry if it's been explained elsewhere and I'm making you repeat yourself.

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Fig scum are Angel, TexCat, Lion, Pizza, and LightFoot. Yeah, that's right, LightFoot. Nothing else makes sense given the information at hand.
So you think that Lightfoot transmigrated on Night 2? That would be two Nights with no scum kill. That doesn't seem like a good play for scum.

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I or another Fig townie gets yeeted today. Another gets murdered at night.
Very likely. And then it would be one live townie versus four live scum, right? And then we've got four future town that haven't gotten here yet.

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raventhief, Mahaloth, and TCM all transmigrate immediately. They will land in Fig at dawn on Wednesday. That puts the count at 4-4. With some luck, town can control the vote.
Hasn't Mahaloth been in Mango the whole game so far? How would we know he is on his way to Fig next? Why not Lotus?

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If possible, Angel is the priority target - she's the Fig scum higest on the list and will also be removed from play. Next is Texcat for similar reasons. Third is Lion, who would go to Lotus next but not be able to do much. Then Pizza, who would go to Mango.
Pizza is above Lion in the player list.

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Squink or Faulkner will also be in Mango to join their scum team after they get killed in Fig. While in Fig they can vote off scum.
I haven't left Fig so it's possible I could go to Lotus before going to Mango.

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Lotus is a lock for us. It hasn't been called yet, but it's only a matter of time.
Probably so. It's 4v4 right now so even if all the future town show up to vote, with the NK's, scum should win soon enough.
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Old 28th March 2021, 04:08 PM
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Still trying to catch up but I have a few thoughts - sorry if it's been explained elsewhere and I'm making you repeat yourself.
There are 4 people currently voting for me: Angel, Lion, TexCat, and Pizza. Fig townies have no good reason to vote for me, and between them they have tried various deceptions, so that makes them scum. I know who all the Lotus scum are, and Mango has 2 known and one highly probable. For game balance, there should be 6 Lotus scum and 5 in the other two worlds. That leaves 1 for Fig and 2 for Mango. So who are they?

Fig Day 3 was highly contentious. We know Bill and jan aren't Fig scum. LightFoot was already gone. That leaves you and Faulkner as unknowns.

Now, it's also possible that either you or Faulkner (not both) is the last Fig scum rather than LightFoot. If it's LightFoot, it would be some sort of ploy that Pizza cooked up to get a spy in Mango. Unlikely to work, perhaps, but based on Pizza's multiple walls of text he was getting a bit desperate to score a win.

If it's not LightFoot, I'd go with Faulkner over you. But this plus the timing issues you mentioned are where the uncertainty comes in. I cannot guarantee my idea will work, but I don't see any other options beyond waiting for the end.
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One last attempt because I can and it is important:

Unlike bridge, Mafia can be a game of cooperation not always opposition.
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So the vote counting robot does not like multi-votes! But I think this is correct.

Voting History:
Sturmhauke: 4
post #35: TexCat voted Sturmhauke
post #41: Askthepizzaguy voted Sturmhauke
post #72: Archangel voted Sturmhauke
post #75: Lion voted Sturmhauke
post #90: TexCat unvoted All
post #90: TexCat voted Sturmhauke

Archangel: 3

post #7: Metallic Squink voted Archangel
post #11: sturmhauke voted Archangel
post #13: SNFaulkner illegally voted Archangel

Askthepizzaguy: 3
post #10: Metallic Squink illegally voted Askthepizzaguy
post #11: sturmhauke illegally voted Askthepizzaguy
post #12: Lion voted Askthepizzaguy
post #13: SNFaulkner voted Pizza
post #26: Archangel illegally voted Askthepizzaguy
post #72: Archangel unvoted All
post #75: Lion unvoted All

Texcat: 2
post #11: sturmhauke illegally voted Texcat
post #24: SNFaulkner illegally voted Texcat
post #26: Archangel voted Texcat
post #72: Archangel unvoted All

Lion: 1
post #35: TexCat illegally voted Lion
post #85: sturmhauke illegally voted Lion
post #90: TexCat unvoted All

SNFaulkner: 0

post #26: Archangel illegally voted Snfaulkner
post #35: TexCat illegally voted Snfaulkner
post #38: Archangel unvoted Snfaulker
post #72: Archangel unvoted All
post #90: TexCat unvoted All
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DeadCat, in bridge I cannot form an alliance with another team. That would be illegal. In Mafia, if I am Scum I can cut a deal with the SK.
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