145.1 Oooh Oooh Witchy Woman: The Broomstick/ecg thread

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Here you go.

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I've been on both boards and activeish on the snark thread for donkey's years and no one's ever invited me to go and be mean in pms to Broomie or anyone else. So there's that.

I don't recognise the characterisation that has been made of this board or even the snark threads - unless an organised subgroup of very nasty people exists which I really do doubt. Honestly some of the nastiest stuff that goes on here is Raffer vs Raffer until somebody makes them take it to the pit or boxes someone.

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ECG made one bad call and added a slight thermal overload. Overall he’s a good mod IMHO. I’m willing to give him a pass. It could have been Hari ya know.

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ECG allowed Broomstick to say negative things about Raffers. When somebody asked for proof of what she said, ECG closed the thread. When I started another thread pointing that out, he said negative things about Raffers and closed the thread. I still think that ECG is, based on various interactions over the years, a good man. But I no longer think he's a good mod.

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That’s true, he owes an apology.

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ECG allowed Broomstick to say negative things about Raffers. When somebody asked for proof of what she said, ECG closed the thread. When I started another thread pointing that out, he said negative things about Raffers and closed the thread. I still think that ECG is, based on various interactions over the years, a good man. But I no longer think he's a good mod.

If she had accused a Mommy forum of harassing her, would it shock you if the mods shutdown Mommy forum defenders? Asking proof their Mommy board was really responsible?

You guys want it both ways. Outsiders and fully protected like you're just an SDMB subgroup like MMPers.

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You guys want it both ways. Outsiders and fully protected like you're just an SDMB subgroup like MMPers.

I love how you use this lofty "you guys" phrasing, as if you're floating above the fray. You've been banned multiple times from the Dope and are in no position to lecture us about anything.

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I love how you use this lofty "you guys" phrasing, as if you're floating above the fray. You've been banned multiple times from the Dope and are in no position to lecture us about anything.

I would say that puts me in a perfect position.

To continue my lecture, you guys thought having snark forums with names attached would be some shield of righteousness. Well, it ain't. When I was one of the few named people ever posting on the anon boards I was a lightning rod for snark board hate.

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ECG allowed Broomstick to say negative things about Raffers. When somebody asked for proof of what she said, ECG closed the thread. When I started another thread pointing that out, he said negative things about Raffers and closed the thread. I still think that ECG is, based on various interactions over the years, a good man. But I no longer think he's a good mod.

Yes, "somebody" asked for clarification, after already having been modded for harassing Broomstick. Have a think why he might have shut "somebody" down so quickly.

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Steophan, you're wrong again. Broomstick's harassment is in her mind, it's attention she seeks, and if she can't get it, she manufacturers it. That's why she lies, that is, to get attention. It's sad but true.

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ECG allowed Broomstick to say negative things about Raffers. When somebody asked for proof of what she said, ECG closed the thread. When I started another thread pointing that out, he said negative things about Raffers and closed the thread. I still think that ECG is, based on various interactions over the years, a good man. But I no longer think he's a good mod.

Get a grip man - he is Mod there, not here and ... eh, allowed a swipe. He owes Raffe nothing. Nada. Zero. Zilch.

Getting bent out of shape when one is posting in a forum that concentrates at poking and taking mild swipes is pretty damn hypocritical.

Thickers skins needed. (or less hypocritical sensitivity)

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If she had accused a Mommy forum of harassing her, would it shock you if the mods shutdown Mommy forum defenders? Asking proof their Mommy board was really responsible?

You guys want it both ways. Outsiders and fully protected like you're just an SDMB subgroup like MMPers.

He's right here, there is a strong vien of wanting it both ways and also strong echoes of the old Cliques.

So ECG allowed a swipe at Raffe. Eh...

Cairo/Jakarta did the best job on any response and has more cred but anyway .... snark thread... it's not going to be seen favourably and .... so what?

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Thickers skins needed. (or less hypocritical sensitivity)

Why yes, that is what ECG needs.

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ECG doesn't owe us an apology. Good god. He's entitled to his opinion. At most he should have given Broomstick a Note for starting the whole thing and that's that. He claimed in the Durp thread that the Gweeb has been "one fucking headache after another" for him. I am not sure what he means by that but he's clearly exasperated. He may not like this place but I like him.

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If she had accused a Mommy forum of harassing her, would it shock you if the mods shutdown Mommy forum defenders? Asking proof their Mommy board was really responsible?

You guys want it both ways. Outsiders and fully protected like you're just an SDMB subgroup like MMPers.

First, I cannot answer for "you guys". I can only speak for myself.

Second, if the rule on the SDMB is 'No talking about other boards. For this causes board wars' Then, Broomstick should have been warned or mod noted for talking negatively about another board. Instead, she and ECG were allowed to talk negatively about the Giraffe Boards. But, when some of us tried to defend the GB-we were shut down. This is not fair. It does not follow SDMB rules. I do not want special treatment. I want fairness and for the SDMB mods to follow SDMB rules. I also want the Cthulhu smiley back.

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ECG doesn't owe us an apology. Good god. He's entitled to his opinion. At most he should have given Broomstick a Note for starting the whole thing and that's that. He claimed in the Durp thread that the Gweeb has been "one fucking headache after another" for him. I am not sure what he means by that but he's clearly exasperated. He may not like this place but I like him.

I care only because he spoke negatively about the GB, then closed the thread. When I made an ATMB thread questioning the hypocrisy, he made a negative comment about the GB and then closed the thread. If the rule is 'no talking about other boards' he should follow it.

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I care only because he spoke negatively about the GB, then closed the thread. When I made an ATMB thread questioning the hypocrisy, he made a negative comment about the GB and then closed the thread. If the rule is 'no talking about other boards' he should follow it.

I guess. I just don't see it as that big of a sin.

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Either the rule matters, and everybody should follow it- especially moderators and administrators- Or the rule does not matter, in which case it should not be a rule.

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ECG doesn't owe us an apology.

Seriously? His first post here in six months and he somes swaggering in and drops a mouth turd like this:

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Fuck off, asshole.

And then makes false accusations while ignoring the facts and generally acts like an asshole? He damn well does owe us an apology. Until then he will receive all the respect that he deserves.

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In a snark forum where people where bagging on him and responding to someone who called him a jackass? I am personally fine with it.

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Either the rule matters, and everybody should follow it- especially moderators and administrators- Or the rule does not matter, in which case it should not be a rule.

Do you honestly think the rule is "don't talk about other boards"? No, you can't possibly. The conversation was about what might be a safe haven message board and when Giraffe came up Broom said "no way, those jerks harrassed me". That does not open the door for random Raffers to cross examine her.

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Do you honestly think the rule is "don't talk about other boards"? No, you can't possibly.

What exactly and precisely would you say the rule is then?

The conversation was about what might be a safe haven message board and when Giraffe came up Broom said "no way, those jerks harrassed me". That does not open the door for random Raffers to cross examine her.

Sure it does. Claims made on the SDMB are and have always been open to scrutiny and demands of evidence.

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Sure it does. Claims made on the SDMB are and have always been open to scrutiny and demands of evidence.

Nope. I defy you to find an example of a Doper being asked to publicly document a personal episode of harassment.

I mean, this is different that scrutinizing her femur breaking, wouldn't you agree?

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Find me another Doper besides Broomstick claiming harassment from another board and we'll talk.

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In a snark forum where people where bagging on him and responding to someone who called him a jackass? I am personally fine with it.

He was in fact being a jackass. Not to mention the fact that we did the exact opposite of what we were accused of when her husband passed away. And then ignoring the proof when its delivered on a silver platter? His basic position is, the geeb is a pain in his ass so anything bad anyone says about us must be true. Childish is the best I can say about that. I guess we'll have to disagree.

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...Broom said "no way, those jerks harrassed me". That does not open the door for random Raffers to cross examine her.

Actually yes it does. But of course you know that and are simply polishing up your gingrich act.

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In a snark forum where people where bagging on him and responding to someone who called him a jackass? I am personally fine with it.

I agree. I think he acted like a dick but who hasn't. I do think he should back up his claims of coordinated harassment by Raffers but demanding he apologize is a bit silly imo.

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I know it'll be a cold day in hell. No big deal, he's just another asshole.

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@Steophan

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The hateful behaviour is from those who condone doxxing and death threats, and victim blame those who speak out against it. That the response from people is effectively "it didn't technically happen here, not our problem" rather than "shit, what can we do to stop this happening again" shows the problem. And that's assuming that it wasn't arranged by PM here, you'd have to ask a mod about that.

But the mods in this thread are more concerned with claiming it couldn't have happened than looking into it.

This is from the other thread of course. I am curious as to what you think I should have done. Someone sent Broomstick harassing PMs on a totally different message board. As is appropriate, no information was shared with me about it. I did a cursory search or two on here and didn't find anything of note. Tell me what more I could have done and I will consider it.

I have had a lot of private conversations over the years with SDMB Mods during the time that they were Mods. To the best of my recollection, all of them were cordial. There have been a very small handful of times where there were real life serious issues with people and I was asked to help and I did so without hesitation. I am not going to expand on this because I was told about these things in confidence and you are free to disbelieve me but this was worse than a few mean PMs. The point is, if I was approached, I would have helped.

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And 3 days of bullshit behind Broomstick's Big Lie.

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Find me another Doper besides Broomstick claiming harassment from another board and we'll talk.

Octopus is obsessed with the idea of coordinated harassment from the Gweeb. Again, it never happened, but he attributes every single criticism to a Gweeb clique. He's... an idiot.

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The ONLY thing I can think of is one of the trolls harassing her TOLD HER that they were from here, and that it was planned. But since Broomstick doesn't post here, nor does she have an account here, then how the fuck would she know for certain? I believe she received it via the Dope, did she not?

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ECG made one bad call and added a slight thermal overload. Overall he’s a good mod IMHO. I’m willing to give him a pass. It could have been Hari ya know.

Damning with faint praise is still damning.

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EDIT: Sorry, wrong thread.

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And 3 days of bullshit behind Broomstick's Big Lie.

I will admit, she's a lot more presidential than the shitgibbon.

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Nope. I defy you to find an example of a Doper being asked to publicly document a personal episode of harassment.

I mean, this is different that scrutinizing her femur breaking, wouldn't you agree?

She was not being asked to document that she had been harassed. No one doubts this. She was being asked to show evidence that that harassment was, as she claimed, and ecg was also gloming onto, a coordinated effort of the GB population, rather than the work of a single troll. She made shit-loads of claims about us, none of which were true, and when called to back up said claims, asshole mod ecg stuck his dick in and then came over here to ream us for doing what hadn't actually been done. That's the issue. Ecg is a worthless sonofabitch. And Broomie is a massive confabulist, lying bullshit spewer, and utterly worthless human being.

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I will admit, she's a lot more presidential than the shitgibbon.

So's the turd I shat out this morning. Damning with faint praise is still damning.

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. And Broomie is a massive confabulist, lying bullshit spewer, and utterly worthless human being.

Wow. Wonder how her harasser would have described her.

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So's the turd I shat out this morning. Damning with faint praise is still damning.

Well, dress that fucker up in a three piece suit and send it to DC then!

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Wow. Wonder how her harasser would have described her.

The sewage plant would describe you as a typical diaper load..

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The sewage plant would describe you as a typical diaper load..

I'd respond but then poor @Pure would have to heave her heavy sigh and come scold me for responding to this rather constant stream of personal insults. I don't wish such hardship on her.

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Yeah, I don't think the "worthless human being" stuff is called for, honestly. She's a flawed human like anyone else here, not the antichrist.

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Unpleasant as she is, I don't hate her. Being her is far worse than I would ever sentence her to.

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I'd respond but then poor @Pure would have to heave her heavy sigh and come scold me for responding to this rather constant stream of personal insults. I don't wish such hardship on her.

Its open season in this thread, limpdick. So you can get your martyr ass down off that cross because we need the lumber.

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Carnie actually got a mod warning in the other thread. LOL

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Dude, you practically founded the snack pit*, you had an entire website set up, listing various targets, STFU.


I sometimes wonder if Broomstick is just plain mentally ill, like she has some kind of paranoid delusions or whatever. Could that be possible?

Like when she said we accused her of being at fault for her sister's death. Didn't she also once say that her sister claimed the same thing in her suicide note? (Which, if so, is a really horrible thing). Obviously it would've been her illness speaking, but since she's now claiming it was us, or whoever sent her those horrible messages, you gotta wonder.





*Which was, as we all remember, exactly what most people accuse this place of.

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Yeah, I don't think the "worthless human being" stuff is called for, honestly. She's a flawed human like anyone else here, not the antichrist.

She’s not like anyone here.

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Wow. Wonder how her harasser would have described her.

Who gives a shit? Not me. And you also are a worthless human being, so fuck off.

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I sometimes wonder if Broomstick is just plain mentally ill, like she has some kind of paranoid delusions or whatever. Could that be possible?

Are you kidding? Broomie's nuttier than a peanut butter factory. But if the victim pity party gets her through the day, that's really her business. Too bad to see someone that far down in a hole though.

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I sometimes wonder if Broomstick is just plain mentally ill, like she has some kind of paranoid delusions or whatever. Could that be possible?

That's a far reach IMO. There's been nothing to suggest anything of the sort.

To clarify: that's in reference to suggesting she has a more extreme mental illness like paranoid delusions. I'm not suggesting she doesn't have any sort of mental ailments at all (who doesn't). TLDR she's not crazy-crazy imo

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The National Institute of Mental Health says 26.2 percent of adults in the U.S. suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year. About half that number take happy pills, so I think we're talking matters of degree. But if you could somehow compare any of the legendary Broomie incidents to a security cam view, I seriously doubt if you would find much in common. So yeah, she dresses herself and manages to hold down a job. A lot of partially unhinged people do.

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I would say that puts me in a perfect position.

Maybe a perfect position to lecture us on how to be despised and shunned on two boards at the same time. I'll grant you that.

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To continue my lecture, you guys thought having snark forums with names attached would be some shield of righteousness. Well, it ain't. When I was one of the few named people ever posting on the anon boards I was a lightning rod for snark board hate.

There you go again with that "you guys" nonsense.

"Shield of righteousness"? What the hell are you on about? Christ, you are one pretentious asshole. You remind me of Starvie; like you, he thought that being reviled made him some kind of heroic figure. It doesn't; it makes you a pathetic loser that nobody likes or cares about.

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It’s true! It’s all true, and I must confess my sins!

I am part of a secretive group of deraffers (tm) that is conspiring to take down Broomstick. I mean, I didn’t realize I was, but apparently I am and have been. I found out last night. A black-cloaked figure came into my room as I slumbered and whisked me away to some horrid assembly. At first all was pitch black, but then there was the glow of a single candle upon a wooden table. The black-cloaked figure bid me to come forward and sign the ledger as I had promised I would even as I protested that I could recall no such promise. Further, I said that I could see no ledger.

But then he said, that if I willed it, he would guide my hand and all would be made clear.

I told him that I did so will. I… I…. I thought I was just agreeing to see the ledger. But then he grasped me by the wrist, his hand like covered in moldy feathers formed as withering scales. As he drew it over the table, Lo! a ledger did so appear. Then pricked for blood, he forced my hand to make my mark upon it, and therein, as I was so gripped to watch in awestruck horror, I saw the names of many a prominent derper signed there too.

And would you believe it? Most prominent- indeed the foremost among the list- was ecg.

Then the black-cloaked figure, still with his scale-ey grip fast upon me, soared into the vast of night- and I drawn after- high above the clouds to where we bathed in starlight. He pointed then to a solitary figure sat upon a broomstick betwixt the stars and ourselves, silhouetted against the moon with hair flowing out behind he. "There!" cried my captor, "There be our prey! Let’s to it ere she flees before the dawn!"

Then he let slip his grasp and sent me falling—endlessly it seemed. When at last I came to earth, I found myself, as if newly awakened, once more in my bed.

But mark my words, friends, as true: there is a conspiracy against Broomie, and I do confess that I am a part. But ecg is the leader. If he will not confess it too, then he must surely be punished!