Yeetmas 3 - Day 3 - ♫ Rise and shine. Rise and shine. It's a new year!♫

[Mahaloth]

Hello, everyone(well, almost everyone). Welcome to Day 3. We may be post-Christmas and New Year's Day, but we are still in the Holiday mindset, I hope.

Alas, we lost two Santas at Night, though.

raventhief and Dizzymrslizzy were wrapped during the Night.

Raventhief and Dizzymrslizzy were both Ordinary Mall Santas. Vanilla Town.

Two Town players died at Night, so a second optional wrapping is available:

1st Wrap - highest vote getter
2nd Wrap - would need 4 votes to happen

End of Day will be Thursday at 2:30PM Eastern.

Countdown clock can be found here

Vote Counter here. Use it!

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Boo Hiss evil Scummies.....I know who you are! :P

Let's go Brandon....I mean Town!

[Silverjan]

Well well well, looks as if Vanta was right after all

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Well well well, looks as if Vanta was right after all

[vote]Annoying Christmas Singer[vote]

That might be a little too easy. As you suggested, scum could have docced him to mess with us.

I'd rather do this today:

[Vanta Black]

Or if we do a double wrap, ACS is a good second choice I think.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I'll give more details later, but I am busy with work and want to stop to get the Day going.

Our game is so dead, even our Mod doesn't want to play in it.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Or if we do a double wrap, ACS is a good second choice I think.

Save for any earth shattering information Mahaloth has yet to disclose,

Is there any reason not to double wrap toDay?

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

That might be a little too easy. As you suggested, scum could have docced him to mess with us.

I'd rather do this today:

Fair enough, I was thinking that too but I was so excited

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Our game is so dead, even our Mod doesn't want to play in it.

That is not true, what the heck brought this on? Yeesh, man, take it down a notch. I was just too busy to give a full opening and wanted to get Day launched.

[raventhief]

well, hell.

[Vanta Black]

The roster so far:

A Poor Shepherd Boy
Annoying Christmas Singer
Archangel D1 wrap
Bashorian Clement
BillMc--D2 wrap
Christmas Sock N1 vig kill
Dizzymrslizzy--N2 scum kill
guiri/gnarlycharlie
Lightfoot N1 scum kill, probably Elves
Meeko
Mordenkainen
Pleonast
Prof. Pepperwinkle--cop
raventhief--N2 scum kill
SilverJan
Suburban Plankton
Swammerdami--N1 scum kill, probably Mariahs
TheCatsMeow/askthepizzaguy
Vanta Black--vig


I usually flub at least one thing when I do these, feel free to correct

[Vanta Black]

Like, I don't know why BC is bold. I didot mean to do that.

[Vanta Black]

DID NOT

(why my post count is so high: corrections)

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Double Pfui! Sorry to see you go, raven and Dizzy!

For once I did NOT investigate someone who died. (Almost, though.) Which means that Meeko is a Mall Santa and Town, as was reported to me. Or he's a Godfather. (With my luck, probably the latter, but I would't count on it.)

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

7 Town, 3 Elves, 2 Mariahs. Glad to see our Vig survived the Night. If I were Scum, I wouldn't waste a Doc's protection on a non-Scum, hence my vote.

Of course, this assumes Vanta is the Vig. I assume so, given no counterclaim and the way things generally go around here.

[Mahaloth]

I will update with end of Day times, etc. later tonight.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Prof. Pepperwinkle

Double Pfui! Sorry to see you go, raven and Dizzy!

For once I did NOT investigate someone who died. (Almost, though.) Which means that Meeko is a Mall Santa and Town, as was reported to me. Or he's a Godfather. (With my luck, probably the latter, but I would't count on it.)

You speak the truth.

But seriously, can I really add more to this?

[Mahaloth]

I have now updated Post #1 with end of Day time and with the vote counter link. Please consult and use.

The countdown will actually stop at zero this time, too.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Prof. Pepperwinkle

Double Pfui! Sorry to see you go, raven and Dizzy!

For once I did NOT investigate someone who died. (Almost, though.) Which means that Meeko is a Mall Santa and Town, as was reported to me. Or he's a Godfather. (With my luck, probably the latter, but I would't count on it.)

To ensure a correct wrap today. I will, of course, be voting with the largest number of people I consider town to ensure we hit 6 votes to outvote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is where my notebook is given updated information wrt claims:

15. ATPG
5. Prof. Pepperwinkle by mechanics
11. Vanta Black by mechanics
9. Meeko read like Meeko just like Dizzy read like Dizzy. These are unique brainwaves, and by that, I mean theyre not very filtered, which is because theyre pretty open. A scan here doesnt really help my solve unless it was a guilty result.
4. guiri / gnarlycharlie is still my guess for town.
19. Mordenkainen who looks town based on reaction to APSB here is still ahead of Suburban Plankton. Others I gave leeway to have dropped down.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Technically Gnarly and Mord have to be considered still, but barring any new info, those are my town picks.

If those two are correct picks, that leaves five scums in six names. Of those, I won't be nominating Suburban Plankton for death since the others are actively voting. SP is either an inactive townie, active but hiding town power role of some kind, or doing the scummy lurk skate. He can clarify by being inactive today, claiming, etc, voting with or against town, etc.

Therefore I will vote for any and all of the following, in any order of death you prefer.

Silverjan
Bashorian Clement
Pleonast
A Poor Shepherd Boy
Christmas Singer because thats what my team has decided to do based on mechanics rather.

If my town is solid, that is all five scums remaining by default.

So lets see if that matches the vote pattern.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by guiri

Day 1
Archangel (5): Pleonast (44), Vanta Black (125), BillMc (193), Swammerdami (195), Mordenkainen (207)

Swammerdami (2): Silverjan (192), Christmas Sock (200)
Pleonast (2): LightFoot (157), Prof. Pepperwinkle (202)
Christmas Sock (2): Archangel (179), A Poor Shepherd Boy(214)

Prof. Pepperwinkle (1): Dizzymrslizzy (12)
Annoying Christmas Singer (1): Bashorian Clement (6)
Lightfoot (1): Suburban Plankton (19)
Vanta Black (1): Annoying Christmas Singer (198)
Mordenkainen (1): Guiri(215)

bashorian Clement (0): Meeko (72)[119]
Thecatsmeow (0): Christmas Sock (70)[200]
No Wrap (0): Swammerdami (121)[194]
Suburban Plankton (0): Vanta Black (49)[107]

Non-voters (3): Meeko, raventhief, TheCatsMeow

Thanks again, Guiri.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Billmc (3): Dizzymrslizzy (116), Meeko (120), Askthepizzaguy (168)
Askthepizzaguy (2): Bashorian Clement (200), raventhief (214)
Vanta Black (1): Bashorian Clement (103)[113], BillMc (107)
Pleonast (1): Prof. Pepperwinkle (118)
Bashorian Clement (1): gnarlycharlie (184)
A Poor Shepherd Boy (1): Mordenkainen (187)
Gnarlycharlie (1): Pleonast (70)
Annoying Christmas Singer (0): Vanta Black (114)[180]

If you want, you can paste this as well:

Voting History:
post #70: Pleonast voted Gnarlycharlie
post #103: Bashorian Clement voted Vanta Black
post #107: BillMc voted Vanta Black
post #113: Bashorian Clement unvoted Winner Of 1987 Indy 500
post #114: Vanta Black voted Annoying Christmas Singer
post #116: Dizzymrslizzy voted Billmc
post #118: Prof. Pepperwinkle voted Pleonast
post #120: Meeko voted Billmc
post #168: Askthepizzaguy voted Billmc
post #180: Vanta Black unvoted A Partridge In A Pear Tree
post #184: gnarlycharlie voted Bashorian Clement
post #187: Mordenkainen voted A Poor Shepherd Boy
post #200: Bashorian Clement voted Askthepizzaguy
post #214: raventhief voted Askthepizzaguy

[Askthepizzaguy]

So when you look at those two vote patterns, you see:


1) Bashorian Clement voting early day one and then never solving again after that. I thought BC was a town power candidate so I didnt press it yesterday, even after I shoved him outside of my "not todays" on the second pass, which I can link as evidence. Then the two votes yesterday, telling would be the latter vote since Bill could have self preserved onto me and did not do so, and raven voted for me, and is town. That's a townie raven plus a townie on the chop Bill who could vote his accuser, plus BC which would be a third townie if he was town, voting for someone who is not on either scum team. No double chop happened.

Because of that, and the vote pattern of BC himself, I am going to conclude that he is therefore scum. So that matches the theory: If my town is solid, I am naming all five scums.

Thats one of five, lets examine the other four.

[Askthepizzaguy]

2) Pleonast

Was voted by two townies on day 1 and no scums (like AA) thought to preserve onto him.

Urged two votes yesterday which loses for town due to a divided vote pattern.

And I didnt see it at the time, but openly communicating to his scum mates.

So Pleonast wasnt really cloaked this game, was simply playing to his wincon in a visible manner that someone with more time and reading comprehension would have spotted and multiple persons who are not named Pizzaguy did spot it.

Sorry, didnt have a ton of mental time or energy to expend on a subin game.

But, that matches the theory again. 2 of five.

[Askthepizzaguy]

3. A Poor Shepherd Boy I already laid out a major case on him yesterday.

Thoughts are generic and not specific enough to be solving.

Didnt even bother to vote yesterday, which is a good move to dodge being murdered.

There were no votes on APSB while I was around yesterday or I would have been happy to move to him.

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Needed to form any kind of read on APSB:



What I see are specious arguments, no depth of thoughts, no sense of urgency, no sense of danger, no depth of solve, and very generic behavior.

I can't walk these posts and feel like I am solving for town.

Especially when combined with APSB's most recent posts, APSB is almost certainly playing with a night kill and he is not the town vigilante.

Therefore APSB should be scum almost always. He also feels decidedly defanged from the last time we played together and he was town there, but that's really just an afterthought explaining a gut feeling. The more black and white content is above.

If I were not going to vote for BillMc today, to flip Dizzy and Meeko's suspect, I would certainly vote for APSB without hesitation.

That was a trivially easy call.

But it is multiball, APSB has no real incentive to try to look like a townie here, or a town power, or even solve for town.

Instead he was playing the diplomacy game.

"So here are players I do not want to see wrapped toDay: Professor Pepperwinkle, Pleonast, Vanta Black, Bill Mc, Mordenkainen, Meeko"

As Mord pointed out, this is snuggling. What I call diplomacy.

Inserted in there is Pleo who I think is just his mafia partner based on their overlapping interests all game.

This matches with my towncore being solid, three of five.

[Askthepizzaguy]

4) Silverjan:

Wanted AA to live, and wanted pizza to die, but didnt vote for pizza.

Reluctantly voted for Swammi eventually day one, never voted day two.

Like APSB, no vote day two while being active means not playing for town, in addition to the above.

I absolutely believe a town Silverjan who suspects pizza will vote pizza. Therefore she is guilty.

Four of five.

[Askthepizzaguy]

5) A Christmas Singer

Someone's sock, who in a multiball game, did not attempt to solve for town, hunt scums, parked on a town power role day one, didnt vote day two, and based on mechanics is probably guilty from n2.

Since they do nothing, I have no evidence in their favor for being town.

As opposed to Suburban Plankton who can be town by virtue of not being here, as opposed to being here and doing nothing for town.

One is more villagery than the other.


That will be five out of five.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now, I have spent 5 hours total on this game.

One of which was spent today.

I still have not read in chronological order the events of day one or two, and havent read a word of what was posted after I stopped posting day 2.

This is what it looks like when a townie is solving the game for five scums.

They wont always guess correctly on the first pass. Day Ones always suck.

Either hold that against me or yeet the five scums that exist in this game with me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In the back of my mind there was another town power role out there.

I havent even read the setup. I guess I will do that now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

10 Ordinary Mall Santas
1 Mall Santa Cop
1 Mall Santa Doctor
1 Mall Santa Vigilante

Yeah. Okay so there is a doctor who hasnt claimed.

Or they claimed and I didnt see it.

I cant be arsed to go look, as this is still more effort than I can see from most of my town, and town cant really brute force the game from here.

So whatever, a mass claim can fix whatever errors remain in my leans list.

[Vanta Black]

@Suburban Plankton, please report to the white paging telephone.

[Vanta Black]

Pizza, I would say the nonvotes are NAI for D2. I missed it, so did some others, possibly because the deadline was a couple of hours earlier than all the previous Day and Night deadlines, and while I usually read pretty carefully I suck with numbers, all kinds, which is why I missed it. Because I did, and I don't usually miss deadlines, I am not reading a lot into people who missed that deadline.

I mean it's something. It's just not much.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Pizza, I would say the nonvotes are NAI for D2. I missed it, so did some others, possibly because the deadline was a couple of hours earlier than all the previous Day and Night deadlines, and while I usually read pretty carefully I suck with numbers, all kinds, which is why I missed it. Because I did, and I don't usually miss deadlines, I am not reading a lot into people who missed that deadline.

I mean it's something. It's just not much.

I am explaining where I stand. Its up to you to play the game or not. (you meaning everyone)

No one had more of a deadline problem than I did and I still voted.

People play casually and dont mind the tally, and people guess wrong in a guessing game. If one is okay, and it has to be, so is the other.

No harm no foul. But I've done my work for the game and am ready to move on. I have to sleep and work now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will be voting in the following manner for the remainder of the game:

1) With professor P

2) With Vanta Black

3) With whoever claims doc

4) With the majority of Meeko, Gnarly, and Mordenkainen

In that order, since Prof is on the ball this game and we should have just followed him yesterday.

And I would strongly urge Meeko and Gnarly and Morden to do the same.

If left to my own devices I will vote for one of my five names I mentioned in the order I find them scummiest.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Cheers, I won't be sticking around to talk it out. Those are my terms for continuing to fight for town.

[Vanta Black]

I feel the doc should not claim unless about to be mizzled.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

...

No one had more of a deadline problem than I did and I still voted.

People play casually and dont mind the tally, and people guess wrong in a guessing game. If one is okay, and it has to be, so is the other.

Well bully for you, but 1/3 of the players missed that deadline, an unusually high percentage even for this game, possibly because (a) we are used to the deadline being the same time, or else a big green (or possible maroon) note from the mod changing it for one day or another and (b) it was THREE HOURS EARLIER than on previous days. Yes, it was clearly stated in the opening D2 post but it was not mentioned that it was three hours earlier than it had been before.

I mean, I thought I had plenty of time, the countdown counter said 36 minutes. And then it said 37 minutes and I knew I had goofed it up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Well bully for you, but 1/3 of the players missed that deadline, an unusually high percentage even for this game, possibly because (a) we are used to the deadline being the same time, or else a big green (or possible maroon) note from the mod changing it for one day or another and (b) it was THREE HOURS EARLIER than on previous days. Yes, it was clearly stated in the opening D2 post but it was not mentioned that it was three hours earlier than it had been before.

I mean, I thought I had plenty of time, the countdown counter said 36 minutes. And then it said 37 minutes and I knew I had goofed it up.

That's all reasonable.

But the result of voting divided and not at all and incorrectly are as seen yesterday.

Consider that day a rehearsal. From this point forward until the end of the game, town votes at all, votes correctly when they do, votes united instead of scattered, vigs correctly, and so on.

Game isn't over until it is. Fair deal?

Out of game, I do not care. It is a silly parlor game.

I am just saying, in game, this is what we need to do to have a fighting chance at winning it. So I pledge to do all of these things.

If someone is town and wants to win, they shall join me in this endeavor!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

I feel the doc should not claim unless about to be mizzled.

They are either in my town pile or they aren't.

If they aren't, they need to save correctly. It's not a concern for today because ACS is the yeet and shouldnt ever be the doc.

If they are, they never need to claim anyway.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Basically, the scums will kill the doc before we figure it out or check them.

And if they don't kill the doc, that means something has gone horribly right.

[A Poor Shepherd Boy]

[Pleonast]

Skimming due to lack of time.

Looks like we shouldn’t vote for Prof. Pepperwinkle, Vanta Black, or Meeko ToDay.

I’d still rather vote for gnarlycharlie, but seems like a protection is incriminating.

I remain suspicious of Vanta Black; a claimed vigilante should be dead, either by the real vig or by scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Based on everything I just said, a doctor should now safely never have to claim.

Because none of the rounds of play in the future should ever be a surprise. They know whether theyre in danger or not, days in advance.

Simple simple.

[A Poor Shepherd Boy]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

So when you look at those two vote patterns, you see:


1) Bashorian Clement voting early day one and then never solving again after that. I thought BC was a town power candidate so I didnt press it yesterday, even after I shoved him outside of my "not todays" on the second pass, which I can link as evidence. Then the two votes yesterday, telling would be the latter vote since Bill could have self preserved onto me and did not do so, and raven voted for me, and is town. That's a townie raven plus a townie on the chop Bill who could vote his accuser, plus BC which would be a third townie if he was town, voting for someone who is not on either scum team. No double chop happened.

Because of that, and the vote pattern of BC himself, I am going to conclude that he is therefore scum. So that matches the theory: If my town is solid, I am naming all five scums.

Thats one of five, lets examine the other four.

I don't think Scum Bashorian votes for you first on D2. I therefore believe this suspicion to be incorrect.

[A Poor Shepherd Boy]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

2) Pleonast

Was voted by two townies on day 1 and no scums (like AA) thought to preserve onto him.

Urged two votes yesterday which loses for town due to a divided vote pattern.

And I didnt see it at the time, but openly communicating to his scum mates.

So Pleonast wasnt really cloaked this game, was simply playing to his wincon in a visible manner that someone with more time and reading comprehension would have spotted and multiple persons who are not named Pizzaguy did spot it.

Sorry, didnt have a ton of mental time or energy to expend on a subin game.

But, that matches the theory again. 2 of five.

This is possible.

[A Poor Shepherd Boy]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

3. A Poor Shepherd Boy I already laid out a major case on him yesterday.

Thoughts are generic and not specific enough to be solving.

Didnt even bother to vote yesterday, which is a good move to dodge being murdered.

There were no votes on APSB while I was around yesterday or I would have been happy to move to him.

That was a trivially easy call.

But it is multiball, APSB has no real incentive to try to look like a townie here, or a town power, or even solve for town.

Instead he was playing the diplomacy game.

As Mord pointed out, this is snuggling. What I call diplomacy.

Inserted in there is Pleo who I think is just his mafia partner based on their overlapping interests all game.

This matches with my towncore being solid, three of five.

This is incorrect.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

Skimming due to lack of time.

Looks like we shouldn’t vote for Prof. Pepperwinkle, Vanta Black, or Meeko ToDay.

I’d still rather vote for gnarlycharlie, but seems like a protection is incriminating.
[vote]Annoying Christmas Singer[vote]
I remain suspicious of Vanta Black; a claimed vigilante should be dead, either by the real vig or by scum.

I have read the underlined about five times. Each individual word makes sense but I don't understand the whole.

[A Poor Shepherd Boy]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

4) Silverjan:

Wanted AA to live, and wanted pizza to die, but didnt vote for pizza.

Reluctantly voted for Swammi eventually day one, never voted day two.

Like APSB, no vote day two while being active means not playing for town, in addition to the above.

I absolutely believe a town Silverjan who suspects pizza will vote pizza. Therefore she is guilty.

Four of five.

This is possible. And yet... I don't know. I don't like to be fooled by Jan. Not voting here today and she would not be my second or third choice. Leave it at that.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I will be voting in the following manner for the remainder of the game:

1) With professor P

2) With Vanta Black

3) With whoever claims doc

4) With the majority of Meeko, Gnarly, and Mordenkainen

In that order, since Prof is on the ball this game and we should have just followed him yesterday.

The long and the short of it then, is simply this

If you believe Prof, why aren't I higher, or even above Prof in your list?

I mean, once we get past that * I * am saying this, etc. etc. etc.

I don't really understand how you rank us here.