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[Askthepizzaguy]

Because ACS is not hitting that bar,

That very very basic bar, of voting to self preserve, voting for a single suspect, even voting the same suspect as previous days,

I take that inaction as confession of being scum.

That is completely fair, and it matches what probably happened mechanically last night, a scum protected a scum.

That's how I intended to read ACS today, despite mechanical info he was probably scum.

This is exactly the same as a confession.

When it is not accurate, that means the player playing the sock is either playing on a level of casual that falls under "too casual to ever assist the team with the win, even when it is as obvious as making any guess whatsoever"

Which is not a bash, just a fact

That's not really something I can cry about in postgame.

I always blame me for my wrong guesses. Even when someone looks, to my eyes, exactly like scum, its no one else's fault where I vote.

But in this scenario, as it is MYLO conditions, and the player has provably voted for suspects before today, I take the inaction as confession and what is called "anti spew".

This person if playing well for scums wont place a vote that tips off town as to information that could assist with the solve, they will place a scummy last minute vote to assist scums if one exists. Otherwise, they can help their team more by being silent.

There is an actual essay in my guide about "shaddap shutting up you rabbit" when you are caught scum. Thats the best move. The only other move is the snipe, or pretending to snipe.

Currently ACS is in antispew and prepared to snipe. Town has to make sure it doesnt vote for town today because ACS can last minute snipe.

This is similar to how I am reading Jan today because her behavior matches how she solves or doesnt pretend to solve as scum in previous games, and simply votes for the townie she intends to misyeet without subterfuge.

And because shes voting a townie in MYLO and doesnt seem concerned about being wrong, which indicates she knows she can win this way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

To Pepperwinkle:

I have my guesses but I am always continually factoring in gravity over time.

Stuff like what Jan is doing today and what ACS is doing right now, act as a strong gravitational pull, for the reasons I stated explicitly just now.

That gravity pulls them down even below other people I think are scum or have cased as scum, like APSB.

A poor shepherd boy, I think is often scum by cold read. But my cold reads are wrong more than once a game.

Whats less often wrong is that type of gravity well.

You can clearly and logically understand why that kind of gravity pull I consider superior to even my own analysis and cold read.

Dizzy, her slot, APSB, currently still is strongly suspect to me.

But that can change, due to gravity.

Others can pull below that slot. That slot can, like Vanta, suddenly appear townie.

The game isnt over until it is. Gravity affects players over time, as gravity is the interaction between spacetime and matter, so to speak.

In a mafia game, the material of the player slot is affected by gravity over time, and time is very very much not on the side of either Jan or Annoying christmas Singer.

They would have to rapidly convincingly look townie to me before end of day, otherwise both of them collapse into a black hole where there is no escape.

Vanta Black did a supernova. Looked scummy, collapsed a bit, but no black hole. Instead, spread all over the place, and is now raining platinum from the heavens.

Big difference. Gravity sometimes can cause explosion instead of implosion.

Ive been waiting for my other scum suspects to explode and look townie, rather than implode.

Players like Vanta, even without the claim, would be exploding today, and players like Jan and ACS are imploding on their own, due to that gravity.

That should help you explain how my leans lists operate in every game I play as town for the past every single time youve ever seen me play, all the way back to before my five year hiatus.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Meeko is behaving like a noble gas today and is floating above everyone else by cold read.

Gravity is affecting Meeko, but everyone else is being pulled downward because Meeko's heart and mind are both light as a feather, and he is voting for a scumbag right now, and is unlikely to not be voting for a scumbag at end of day.

I dont know about Meeko's judgment. its a guessing game. I have bad judgment. I guess wrong.

But his heart and mind are both helium balloons. He is floating as high as he can, and that position cannot reverse even if he ever votes incorrectly.

Only the hydgrogen balloon of Pepperwinkle floats higher.

[Bashorian Clement]

Why expend all that effort on a guilty?

[Bashorian Clement]

The gotcha post on ACS and the subsequent post regarding ACS are lost on me. Busywork. Prof. has a guilty. No one has CC's Prof. We go with the guilty.

[Bashorian Clement]

And reading Dizzy as if that isn't the APSB slot. Granted, that may have been missed, but ATP doesn't miss things.

[Bashorian Clement]

If we can manage a second wrap today, I'd prefer it be ATP rather than Pleonast.

[Bashorian Clement]

And my questions to ATP from earlier were disregarded. This somewhat tells me that he isn't reading much more than his own posts.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

If we can manage a second wrap today, I'd prefer it be ATP rather than Pleonast.

So who do you like as the first wrap then?

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

So who do you like as the first wrap then?

Ah goddamit too many initials. ACS, ATP? ABSB?

Why not Pleonast?

Have you ever once in a game seen town-Pleonast go out of his way to avoid getting lunched? No. He always says he plays to win, not to survive.

In this case Pleonast playing to win and playing to survive are the same. That's not the case if he's town.

Enough meta, though.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Note the gravitational effects here:

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Well well well, looks as if Vanta was right after all

I am proceeding based on the idea ACS flips scum before the flip, because of the reasoning I stated in my most recent posts.

Silverjan is working backward from a position of knowledge, to a position of not knowledge, similar to her progression on Vanta Black on Day Three of Return of the Clowns.

At least, that is what it looks like from where I sit.

To explain, that day, she voted for the guilty Vanta Black when the scums had been flummoxed by night actions. After that, she began explaining all the other possibilities, once it was clear that town still had to figure it out, and Vanta wasnt the automatic yeet.

After she came up with the entire list of possibilities in reverse, starting from the right answer, thats when she unvoted. But she also suspected Vanta, while voting for me, and said she should probably vote for Vanta, while pointedly not doing so.

In other words, this is a visible scum pattern of thinking and behavior that has already been demonstrated in previous games, behavior only Jan herself can control. She wasnt like, tricked into doing it, or something.

Here, she immediately leaps on the correct answer.

Then, after Vanta voted for me,

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Fair enough, I was thinking that too but I was so excited

She is all too happy to assist Vanta with yeeting town pizza who suspected her.

Now, lets examine all her other progressions on all her other suspects.

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Suburban Plankton hasn't been around for ages so it make it difficult to judge him. I was more or less convinced that guiri was scum so maybe gnarly would be a good choice. Pleo I just can't read at all, ever.

This is basically a null on Plankton.

Putting forth Gnarly/Guiri as a name is pretty safe as long as they are not scum mates, and I would wager they are not. This isnt a bus, its not credit grabby enough.

No attempt is even made to analyze Pleonast's behavior in the light of being accused of openly coordinating with opposing and teamed scum.

Thats something Silverjan, no matter how suspicious she could be of me as town, should be considering. She has given it no thought and is masking that fact by saying she wont put effort into trying to read Pleonast because she hasnt been able to cold read him in the past.

But thats not a cold read attempt. I am asking everyone in the game to read the posts Pleonast made and tell me if they think it is suspicious.

Not taking a stand one way or the other and not bothering to go through the motions of examining it reads scummy, because I do not believe Jan is confident she can go through those motions convincingly and also still freely vote as she needs to vote today to win for scums.

She wants to vote wrong, so she cant suspect Pleonast.

If she does I can pin her down into the same uncomfortable position where she accused Vanta Black in a previous game, and they were partners, and needed to vote together later, not for each other.

Bussing didnt win, and it wont help her look townie to me, so she is refusing to bus or even pretend to read Pleonast.

That can sneak by the rest of you if you are not paying attention to Jan.

However, Jan as town is capable of looking town. I know, because I read her town before when she was town.

She can look amazingly townie, in fact. She beats herself up for her ability to guess people right, but she can shine like a supernova, if she tries.

She is not trying because it does not assist her in winning here, and she doesnt think she can act that well.

Thats my guess.

If thats all wrong, this can come off as being critical of Jan, and annoy her. Thats not my goal.

Its merely to explain what I think she is doing, why she is doing it, what she isnt doing, and why she isnt doing it.

Originally Posted by Silverjan

No they don't but perhaps warrants a vig kill. It looks as if scum have jumped onto the ACS bandwagon and I am a bit surprised that Vanta changed her mind about pizza and ACS but I have a strong feeling that pizza is scum. I wouldn't be surprised if scum did protect a Town player just to get him/her lynched but my feelings in this game have been up to maggots anyway. I don't think my vote is needed on ACS but I want on record that I think pizza is scum. I hope to hell ACS is scum because we cannot afford to fail this time.

This is a team move.

This is specifically the stuff I look for.

Today, in order to not be completely beaten into submission by a town that still technically has enough votes to brute force the entire ending one by one, name by name,

The scum teams have to make moves.

Those moves are visible.

When those moves aren't viable at all, because you cannot give away all five names or you always lose, they are forced to, for the time being, vote for ACS.

Jan is different because in addition to the vote move, she would have to suddenly look villagery. Simply voting with town wont help her look town by itself.

That extra hurdle that is needed to look town is necessary.

She cant make that hurdle convincingly, so it is better for her to place one vote for Pizza.

That way, any additional votes for pizza put me en prise today and the entire alliance of scumbags can pile on top of me and make it six votes, even while ACS reached six votes first.

Why?

Because some of those votes for ACS are scum and they will move off of ACS.

That will break the tie, because it wont be six votes anymore.

Which is why players not voting is poor.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

The gotcha post on ACS and the subsequent post regarding ACS are lost on me. Busywork. Prof. has a guilty. No one has CC's Prof. We go with the guilty.

You seem to be gravely mistaken about which townie nailed ACS.

A bizarre mistake to make if one is solving the game legitimately.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

I do think that both ACS and pizza are scum. I'm not sure about Pleo though. I will think about it cos I really don't know. There are still 5 scum out there so that is a lot of them left.

To continue the above analysis:

Note the noncommittal when Vanta Black asks Jan to assist with wrapping Pleonast.

Jan under pressure as scum wont actually cooperate and answer your solving questions directly.

Youve seen her not do that.

Note also, "both ACS and Pizza" is attempting to make it not matter where her vote is placed.

This is called clustering. I wrongly suspected Bashorian Clement in the Clowns game based on an instance of clustering, but he was town.

This is clustering where a scum is doing it, which is why i find it suspect.

Clustering is where you, as scum, put a list of 2, 3, 4 names and suggest they are all equivalent because they are all scummy or suspicious, without ranking them, without ordering them.

Suggesting it doesnt matter which one dies.

Which is part of the basis of my suspicion on billMc, which again I am using an example of where I was ultimately wrong about their alignment, but

I promise you the vast, vast, vast majority of those examples are a scumbag doing it. Thats why it is part of my process.

I have been taught over many many years that scumbags Cluster their suspects to make suspects seem equivalent.

BillMc wanted Dizzy to treat everyone on the Archangel wagon as equivalent. Thats too many names to all write off as they have to be town, they voted for scum in a multiball game.

Turns out, Billmc as town is capable of having thoughts like that.

That wont convince you that it is supicious because the most recent examples kinda blew up in my face.

But I know for sure one of those names is town, and I also know Jan treating me as guilty loses for town when she is town.

I also think to a very large degree, that the behavior of ACS after the night action which was a vigilante claim, Bashorian Clement, not a cop check, indicates that ACS is guilty but isnt ironclad proof.

Which is why I am solving for ACS' alignment before we pull the trigger, as it matters, as it is functionally MYLO.

Just in case you were wondering about that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

And my questions to ATP from earlier were disregarded. This somewhat tells me that he isn't reading much more than his own posts.

Forgive me while I chuckle.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Of more interest to me is the smudging.

You see, eventually, if a yeet of me is to be successful today, all the scums (or most) have to call me guilty.

For whatever reason to call me that, it doesnt realistically matter after today. Reasons stop being important when town isnt in control of the game.

But so long as it affects the outcome TODAY

They have to come up with reasons that can seem plausible, while they are specious, while it affects your decisions, while it matters at all.

Much like when Vanta Black went soft on calling me suspicious and acted like he had an open mind in the Clowns game until after I left.

before that, it mattered, because I could possibly convince town to yeet Vanta based on the mechanics that had happened so far.

But while at least one townie was voting me, Vanta went for the throat, and tried to do it plausibly while it mattered to the outcome, and less and less plausibly as it assured a win, while town was divided and AWOL.

Here, I hate to keep bringing up that game, but it is an example of what is exactly happening today in this round of this game.

It is functionally MYLO.

I am pretty sure at least one townie is AWOL, perhaps more than one.

More than one player is not voting who can be town at all.

And Vanta already voted for me once today.

In any realm where Jan is town, that also is the move that wins decisively, since its a town on town vote, but I am rating that as far less likely at the moment.

But, for any movement onto me to be plausible, it cannot be out of nowhere.

Even if it was prepped yesterday phase.

We have ACS flapping in the breeze and Pleonast looking guilty as sin and Jan looking guiltier and guiltier. Thats a lot of scums that can die shortly.

bashorian is also seeing he is not floating up my leans list, so there is no point in continuing to try to manipulate me.

Ergo, going all in on trying to yeet me today would seem to be the game plan.

Which is fine, as it spares me the bother of needing to analyze him further.

That would make 4 out of 5 guesses today already correct, though ACS was a gimmie.

If Pleonast guess was incorrect, you could bet your bottom dollar it would be attracting some scum votes by now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So basically I have to decide if Guiricharlie is town, or if A Poor Mrs Dizzy is.

Thats where my leans are.

Dizzy, if town, will absolutely soar above Gnarly who is floating like a boat on the ocean, taking on water.

Dizzy, I cant tell if she is a fish or a bird at the moment.

Thats the current position of my solve.

Where Suburban Plankton is town, that can explain why Jan wants him dead. Jan might also just not be affiliated. It can be a bus.

I dont know, she isnt going for townie brownie points. Thats probably not a bus.

[Annoying Christmas Singer]

I’m just surprised it took you until Day 3 to whine about me not actually playing the game, and singing carols and songs….

But if you want me to actually participate, I will do so….

After I finish writing the other 7 days out, since it looks like I won’t be here much longer….

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Annoying Christmas Singer

I’m just surprised it took you until Day 3 to whine about me not actually playing the game, and singing carols and songs….

So hostile, merely for asking you to place a vote.

Forgive me while I chuckle again.

[Annoying Christmas Singer]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Because ACS is not hitting that bar,

That very very basic bar, of voting to self preserve, voting for a single suspect, even voting the same suspect as previous days,

I take that inaction as confession of being scum.

That is completely fair, and it matches what probably happened mechanically last night, a scum protected a scum.

That's how I intended to read ACS today, despite mechanical info he was probably scum.

This is exactly the same as a confession.

When it is not accurate, that means the player playing the sock is either playing on a level of casual that falls under "too casual to ever assist the team with the win, even when it is as obvious as making any guess whatsoever"

Which is not a bash, just a fact

That's not really something I can cry about in postgame.

I always blame me for my wrong guesses. Even when someone looks, to my eyes, exactly like scum, its no one else's fault where I vote.

But in this scenario, as it is MYLO conditions, and the player has provably voted for suspects before today, I take the inaction as confession and what is called "anti spew".

This person if playing well for scums wont place a vote that tips off town as to information that could assist with the solve, they will place a scummy last minute vote to assist scums if one exists. Otherwise, they can help their team more by being silent.

There is an actual essay in my guide about "shaddap shutting up you rabbit" when you are caught scum. Thats the best move. The only other move is the snipe, or pretending to snipe.

Currently ACS is in antispew and prepared to snipe. Town has to make sure it doesnt vote for town today because ACS can last minute snipe.

This is similar to how I am reading Jan today because her behavior matches how she solves or doesnt pretend to solve as scum in previous games, and simply votes for the townie she intends to misyeet without subterfuge.

And because shes voting a townie in MYLO and doesnt seem concerned about being wrong, which indicates she knows she can win this way.

But here is the problem with your idea- is that there are TWO SCUM TEAMS, not one.

But these statements here, screams PERFECT INFORMATION SYNDROME. Or is it just me?

And secondly- the scum teams don’t win together, they are separate entities in this game. Town still has the numbers (and is not in a MYLO situation yet).

No, you are drumming up dramatics. Like a Little Drummer Boy…

[Annoying Christmas Singer]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

So hostile, merely for asking you to place a vote.

Forgive me while I chuckle again.

I’m not sure if me placing a vote is wise. Honestly, why would I encourage a second wrap? You’ve seen my lack of reads. Should I be voting to encourage a possible mislynch?

[Askthepizzaguy]

The reason I do not have 900 posts hammering home my solve effort today is mainly because I dont have all five names secured.

Mordenkainen has done enough to float above all my other maybes. Its not a lot, but each post is fairly potent. The undiplomatic snap backs, the votes that dont look like classic distancing even though they also dont win for town on day 2 because its too late and too divided.

That looks townie to me.

For someone to enter my town they have to look townier than Mordenkainen, who isnt doing that much really, but it screams townie louder than whatever the heck the rest of you are doing outside of Prof, Vanta, Meeko, and doctor guy who shall remain nameless and not voted by me today or ever.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Annoying Christmas Singer

I’m not sure if me placing a vote is wise. Honestly, why would I encourage a second wrap? You’ve seen my lack of reads. Should I be voting to encourage a possible mislynch?

"I am not sure if I should try to yeet someone other than myself in a game where that is the only way to win for town."

Okay, but you can win without doing so as scum.

Anytime players behave in a manner that looks like it wins at night, rather than during the day, I accuse that.

Thats the primary basis behind why I accused APSB yesterDay phase.

I specifically said he was playing as if he had a night action, because he wasnt pressing his suspects to death during day.

And he continued to dither today.

Where, when he was town in the Clowns game, he was much fiestier in accusing his suspects and biting me back when I bit him.

I felt his suspicion of me. Here, all his suspicions were nonexistent.

All he had were people he did not want to provoke.

That was his list of names.

Now until Dizzy says something that alters that perception, I have my five names.

[Vanta Black]

Ai, pizza is back!

A couple of requests.

There is no point of confirming your reads of townDizzy of yesteryear, she's in a different slot now, it's confusing. It kind of puts a halo on Dizzy that she might not deserve this time around.

Could you please not mention that Return of the whatever it was, ugh.

I DO NOT AGREE that I looked scummy on D1. WTF. Who thought that? I don't even think the people who voted for me thought that. Also, do not explain. (You can explain later I guess but it would be a distraction.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dizzy, is someone I believe has fiest, and pep, and vigor, and vinegar, and will absolutely tear her actual suspects a new asshole.

That is what I am waiting for.

That is all I am concerned with for the remainder of play.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Ai, pizza is back!

A couple of requests.

There is no point of confirming your reads of townDizzy of yesteryear, she's in a different slot now, it's confusing. It kind of puts a halo on Dizzy that she might not deserve this time around.

Could you please not mention that Return of the whatever it was, ugh.

I DO NOT AGREE that I looked scummy on D1. WTF. Who thought that? I don't even think the people who voted for me thought that. Also, do not explain. (You can explain later I guess but it would be a distraction.

To be clear, I suspect her slot as much as I suspected the person she replaced.

She is currently suspect number five of five.

Others can replace her, if I am ever convinced she is town.

Right now, I am about to lock in the other 4 as always scum and call it a day.

I am sorting between Mord and GuiriGnarly and Plankton and Dizzy right now.

Those are the only names I consider in play.

I have said extensively why I think Mord is town, although the reasons are thin, they are a stronger lean. Potent.

Gnarly slot, thats a much longer case, and fairly strong, but he isnt helping us win today.

Plankton is AWOL and if scum, can be shot when you shoot a different scum tonight, because that puts us out of MYLO I think.

I have no reason to consider him town and he is exactly null.

APSB I at least had a case against. And he isnt behaving like he did as town.

Thats not a lock, its just where I am at.

That can move.

I need reasons to move it. Reasons I actually believe.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Dizzy, is someone I believe has fiest, and pep, and vigor, and vinegar, and will absolutely tear her actual suspects a new asshole.

That is what I am waiting for.

That is all I am concerned with for the remainder of play.

And you could be her scummate telling her how to play.

(Okay, wait, I just thought about that for a minute. It is possible but not likely. I raise the possibility. I mean the possibility of you giving her instruction, not the possibility of her following that instruction because you said so.)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Annoying Christmas Singer (6): Silverjan (3)[8], Prof. Pepperwinkle (14)[129], Askthepizzaguy (19)[51], A Poor Shepherd Boy (42), Pleonast (43), Askthepizzaguy (71), Meeko (89), Bashorian Clement (97), Mordenkainen (131)
Pleonast (2): Askthepizzaguy (53)[70], Vanta Black (109), Prof. Pepperwinkle (129)
Askthepizzaguy (1): Vanta Black (4)[72], Silverjan (8), Meeko (54)[89]

If you want, you can paste this as well: Voting History: post #3: Silverjan voted Annoying Christmas Singer post #4: Vanta Black voted Askthepizzaguy post #8: Silverjan unvoted All post #8: Silverjan voted Askthepizzaguy post #14: Prof. Pepperwinkle voted Annoying Christmas Singer post #19: Askthepizzaguy voted Annoying Christmas Singer post #42: A Poor Shepherd Boy voted Annoying Christmas Singer post #43: Pleonast voted Annoying Christmas Singer post #51: Askthepizzaguy unvoted All post #53: Askthepizzaguy voted Pleonast post #54: Meeko voted Askthepizzaguy post #70: Askthepizzaguy unvoted Pleonast post #71: Askthepizzaguy voted Annoying Christmas Singer post #72: Vanta Black unvoted All post #89: Meeko unvoted Askthepizzaguy post #89: Meeko voted Annoying Christmas Singer post #97: Bashorian Clement voted Annoying Christmas Singer post #109: Vanta Black voted Pleonast post #129: Prof. Pepperwinkle unvoted All post #129: Prof. Pepperwinkle voted Pleonast post #131: Mordenkainen voted Annoying Christmas Singer

I dont know if Meeko or Mord will move their votes.

Here is the danger with that:

Tally of 3 votes for Pleonast
Tally of some town votes for ACS
(Both scum, doesnt matter)
Tally of 5 votes for Pizzaguy

You see?

I will, absolutely, vote whichever of the two candidates has more votes I think are coming from townies.

Right now, the townies I believe in the most are voting for Pleonast, and I think that is correct.

Meeko and Mord are voting for ACS, and I think that is correct.

Voting divided still loses for town. Can both be correct, doesnt matter.

Note that Mord and Meeko can each be likely to not move in the time remaining of the day, which is less than 24 hours.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Note that it doesnt have to be pizza either.

They could literally vote for Vanta Black and make that happen today despite your claim.

As long as they do it before deadline you are too dead to punish it.

@Vanta Black

Its not just my hide. Literally every townie can be yeeted right now, trivially.

Thats the sense of urgency. Thats the sense of danger. Thats what we are up against, thats what needs to be thwarted.

Pleonast the scum even agrees that scums cannot vote divided today, cannot try for two wraps.

They all have to vote together, but the scums basically win on the spot when they do.

One eventually wins endgame, a lot.

Which is still better than both teams dying due to pizza planning things out with Prof and Vanta.

They would not be forked right now unless my knight was placing both of their kings in check.

Thats the game.

We all vote united or we lose. And by we, I mean town.

Your butt is on the line today, as is Prof's, as is mine, everyone.

We all die if we cannot stand united.

Whichever way the town blows, all of them need to be in the same house.

Doesnt matter if it is optimal.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vanta, am I voting with you on Pleonast, or are you and Professor voting with me on A Christmas Singer?

Decide in your next post, and I will vote that way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My vote after that point is locked to follow yours.

If we have to scramble to a different name together, with you, I will.

I will otherwise settle in place so Meeko and Mord etc can keep up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Countdown clock can be found here

Town dies when there are not six votes on the same candidate which is scum.

Making it five means the scums can tie it at five and apparently both will die.

Which means youre losing me today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you vote ACS that preserves me.

To preserve me while hitting Pleonast, Mord and Meeko would have to vote and gnarly or Dizzy would have to vote or vote differently.

I see that as unlikely to happen. So youre losing me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You lose me, you lose the game.

Same as if you lost town!Plankton today, frankly.

We cant lose even 1 body.

[Askthepizzaguy]

All town kill power, all of it, night or day, even a double hang, has to be on scum, exclusively, forever.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Thats hard.

I cant promise the game is gonna be easy.

I can only tell you the path town still has to win it. You decide to follow it. Its your call.

You cant even suspect me anymore. Sorry friendo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Look at the post counts.

Pizza is trying to win for town.

Vanta and Prof are voting correctly, as are other townies.

But you can tell from the post count that scums are winning right now. Easily.

Town is just not active enough. We can still win. Votes are the only thing that ultimately matters.

But you gotta want it more. And right now, town doesnt know what it wants.

So you decide for town. You are their leader and their brain, in the absence of Prof telling you something different.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Prof Pepperwinkle

If Vanta cant decide in the time remaining, and the vote count stays as is, it is then up to you to move back to ACS.

Then it only requires Vanta to move one vote, his own vote.

Everything else requires a lot more moves. I can do it, I have a countdown timer and an alarm set.

Doubtful any other townie will move at deadline. So thats the constraint. You have to move within that constraint to win for town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Prof. Pepperwinkle

Sorry for the tags.

Its important you see it. More important than anything else I said all day.

[Vanta Black]

I think there are going to be some shenanigans and that they are going to reveal a lot.

As stated, I would rather take out Pleonast, who in my mind is clearly guilty.

But right now the votes are with Singer, so I would move there, as in my mind he is also clearly guilty. I am just not as sure about it, but getting surer by the minute.

We have 12 players (if I counted right, never a sure thing), 7 town, 5 scum

If Suburban Plankton is town amke that 6 town, apparently
But if he's scum make that 4 scum

If Singer and Pleo are on opposing scum teams there are either 2 or 3 players (or 1 or 2 depending on Plankton's alignment) who would be willing to take out a member of the other scum team.

But I really haven't seen anything to conclusively indicate that they ARE on opposing scum teams.

I don't like this "must decide in the next post" but if I have to then it's gotta be Singer.

What we have right now:

Dizzy/Shep--voting for ACS
ACS--not voting
Bashorian Clement--voting for ACS
gnarliecharlie--not voting
Meeko--voting for ACS
Mordenkainen--voting for ACS
Pleonast--voting for ACS
Prof. Pepperwinkle--voting for Pleonast
Silverjan--voting for askthepizzaguy
Suburban Plankton--not voting
askthepizzaguy--voting for ACS
Vanta Black--voting for Pleonast

So while I deeply lament the loss of a double-wrap of scum, which I thought we could do, I have to assume that some of these ACS voters are going to change their votes in ways not helpful to town, some of them are going to be AFK, gnarliecharlie and Annoying Christmas Singer might vote, or not, might swing a different way (well, if he voted, ACS surely wouldn't self vote), and Suburban Plankton is just gone.

Grrr. (I am in both the 45% who can't do the math and the 65% who won't do the math, by the way)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will be here in 15 hours.

We are yeeting a scum at that time, or I and all of the rest of the town will die trying.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh god.

I feel like I can exhale.

I thought you logged off, Vanta.

I need to. Sorry I dont have better news, but like, a path to win still exists.

Given how badly the game has gone so far, thats a lot to look forward to.

Keep hope alive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Will stick around for a few minutes in case you want to talk more.

Otherwise, its 6am and I gotta sleep. I am a night owl.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

I don't like this "must decide in the next post" but if I have to then it's gotta be Singer.

Its a combined factors of (A) not enough time left for town to move its bulk and (B) Pizza does need to sleep as he is a father of two, and doesnt have enough time to play at full power.

I needed a decision of some kind before it was too late for people besides me to react to it.

Sorry, I know it adds stress and pressure. Ive been feeling that same pressure all round because I am the guy who does not quit on town no matter how deep in the hole they are, but I also know were in a particularly poor position due to the inactivity and divisions in our ranks. Thats hard to rally troops around, especially when I dont have the town credibility I have had in previous games. I gotta bear stark news while also not being someone you feel you can trust, with an inactive and divided town. There is no breaking out of that except with a trusted town leader taking decisive action. Thats all we have. I literally need you or Prof to lead. You actually could do so. I can talk all the sense and spit hot fire with facts all day, as long as a townie thinks I am guilty, it is in one ear, out the other.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@gnarlycharlie

@Suburban Plankton

One last call for alcohol. If you are town and can vote, you absolutely have to do so, with me and Prof and Vanta today, all together, with no other kind of vote placed.

If you fail to do so, town loses today.

Technically we exist as a minor faction between two scum teams that can control the vote, and we play kingmaker, but that just makes larger scum team win.

We dont win that endgame, not by force, only fluke.

We can also save and shoot right, but you dont risk the game on such foolishness when town is already in a position to be dead by default.

You gotta vote. You dont got time to decide shite else. And it has to be with Vanta and Prof, nowhere else. Period.

[Vanta Black]

As I said, there are two scum teams, one of which wants the other ones dead.

ACS doesn't really have a counterwagon, which is kind of suspicious.

But having been in the scum position in this setup not so long ago I realize it is hard, when you only have three teammates, and can't talk to them during the day, to set up such a counterwagon, without exposing yourself.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

As I said, there are two scum teams, one of which wants the other ones dead.

ACS doesn't really have a counterwagon, which is kind of suspicious.

But having been in the scum position in this setup not so long ago I realize it is hard, when you only have three teammates, and can't talk to them during the day, to set up such a counterwagon, without exposing yourself.

Yes, especially if town has any scum outed or essentially outed.

Not voting for the outed scum is pretty hard to do openly.

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Annoying Christmas Singer (7): Silverjan (3)[8], Prof. Pepperwinkle (14)[129], Askthepizzaguy (19)[51], A Poor Shepherd Boy (42), Pleonast (43), Askthepizzaguy (71), Meeko (89), Bashorian Clement (97), Mordenkainen (131), Vanta Black (189)
Pleonast (1): Askthepizzaguy (53)[70], Vanta Black (109)[189], Prof. Pepperwinkle (129)
Askthepizzaguy (1): Vanta Black (4)[72], Silverjan (8), Meeko (54)[89]

Just a reminder: That is seven votes for a scum that are probably half scums voting for a scum.

That vote count can vanish in an instant and every single townie still needs to be on that wagon bar none.

Don't let the large wagon fool you. It is mostly nonexistent.

Still needs prof pepperwinkle and probably 2 other voters to move to it before it actually is a wagon large enough to cap a scum by force, rather than by bussing.

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Well. This is a game where yesterDay four people forgot to vote. But Pizza expects major shenaniganery? This looks very, very, very much like Pizza is working to save Pleo.

My vote stays on Pleo for now. I'm still hopeful we can wrap both ACS and Pleo.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Annoying Christmas Singer (7): Silverjan (3)[8], Prof. Pepperwinkle (14)[129], Askthepizzaguy (19)[51], A Poor Shepherd Boy (42), Pleonast (43), Askthepizzaguy (71), Meeko (89), Bashorian Clement (97), Mordenkainen (131), Vanta Black (189)
Pleonast (1): Askthepizzaguy (53)[70], Vanta Black (109)[189], Prof. Pepperwinkle (129)
Askthepizzaguy (1): Vanta Black (4)[72], Silverjan (8), Meeko (54)[89]

Annoying Christmas is up to be wrapped if nothing changes. No second wrapping is triggered at this point.

7 hours and a bit to the end of Day.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Ah goddamit too many initials. ACS, ATP? ABSB?

Why not Pleonast?

Have you ever once in a game seen town-Pleonast go out of his way to avoid getting lunched? No. He always says he plays to win, not to survive.

In this case Pleonast playing to win and playing to survive are the same. That's not the case if he's town.

Enough meta, though.

The initial thing is killing killing me. My poor brain can’t keep up!

That is a very true point Pleo in general doesn’t care about getting lynched.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

I’m on my phone so quoting big posts are out when I want to just address little things.

Pizza said “Bill just wanted Dizzy1.0 to treat all AA voters the same”

Dizzy 1.0 and subsequently APMD (A poor Mrs Dizzy) was treating all AA voters the same. In a multi team game (is that what multiball is? Ugh I forget). Scum on both teams are hunting scum. Therefore jumping on a scum wagon or creating a scum wagon while Townie, isn’t an ultimate Town cred.

Someone specifically said Bill was Town, because he was hot on the AA train. Dizzy 1.0s point was yes Townie, but not yet a OMG he’s clear.

Dizzy 1.0 actually had Bill in a probable town pile until he freaked out about being specifically named.

I still feel the same about AA voters, closer to Town lean BUT cautiously apprehensive.

@Prof. Pepperwinkle ; what was your result last night? I’m sure it’s posted but I haven’t fully caught up yet and today I actually have to work and am short on time to go back and search 200 posts!