Vegas Mafia Day One

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by guiri

Why wait till then?

With the current state of mafia I could very easily post way too much, comparatively speaking. I'm trying to pace myself.

[guiri]

I challenge you to post way too much. I’ll try to keep up.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

With the current state of mafia I could very easily post way too much, comparatively speaking. I'm trying to pace myself.

Pace yourself.


What is this concept, pacing?

[Mahaloth]

I'm not becoming the Pleonast "post early" guy, though I obviously did that in this game for no solid reason.

I think in the last game where I did it, it was because I used my power Night Zero or Night One and dropped the relevant info right away.

Anyway, if you don't believe me, you can definitely kill me. It's a bad idea, but if you really see nothing else today.

[Vanta Black]

Okay, well I like to start D1 in a position of trust, that is to say reading everyone as if they're town. If I do that sometimes things stand out.

Two days into D1 is not that early, but two players haven't even posted yet. So there is not a lot to stand out...

And what stands out to me right now is that Meeko, who is famous for being Meeko, seems to be trying to out-Meeko himself in this game.

But my problem here is that I could be focusing on Meeko just because, unlike most of the players aside from you, he's posting. Right now: Meeko 11, Guiri 10, TexCat 5. Vanta 6 (that is counting this post). There is not a lot to hang onto. I'm not one of those players who can suss out alignment with a single post.

A bit bothered by TexCat's quick pickup of the Mahaloth vote, but at the same time I can see reasons for the Mahaloth vote. So I'm going around in a circle here with this one.

(Is this refreshing after the MU game that had a post cap of 150 posts/day and people hit that? Also btw good job in that game, I didn't really follow it other than to see that you picked out the only scum the town got.)

[Vanta Black]

That whole last post was a reply to guiri. I mean anyone can read it but some of it probably needs that context.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Pace yourself.


What is this concept, pacing?

Maybe "directed procrastinating" would be better. I'm really really good at procrastinating.

[Mahaloth]

Vanta Black reads like Town right now.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Okay, well I like to start D1 in a position of trust, that is to say reading everyone as if they're town. If I do that sometimes things stand out.

Two days into D1 is not that early, but two players haven't even posted yet. So there is not a lot to stand out...

And what stands out to me right now is that Meeko, who is famous for being Meeko, seems to be trying to out-Meeko himself in this game.

But my problem here is that I could be focusing on Meeko just because, unlike most of the players aside from you, he's posting. Right now: Meeko 11, Guiri 10, TexCat 5. Vanta 6 (that is counting this post). There is not a lot to hang onto. I'm not one of those players who can suss out alignment with a single post.

A bit bothered by TexCat's quick pickup of the Mahaloth vote, but at the same time I can see reasons for the Mahaloth vote. So I'm going around in a circle here with this one.

(Is this refreshing after the MU game that had a post cap of 150 posts/day and people hit that? Also btw good job in that game, I didn't really follow it other than to see that you picked out the only scum the town got.)

I was concerned about this as well because TexCat just did this exact move as scum in your game (and she won us the game, yay TexCat!). But I think that her vote in that game was emulating her town game, and that she would be less likely to pull the exact same move on the same person twice in a row as scum.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I'm not becoming the Pleonast "post early" guy, though I obviously did that in this game for no solid reason.

I think in the last game where I did it, it was because I used my power Night Zero or Night One and dropped the relevant info right away.

Anyway, if you don't believe me, you can definitely kill me. It's a bad idea, but if you really see nothing else today.

I believe you, FWIW. (For anyone who asks me why I don’t know how to articulate it except to say that 99 times out of 100 that he does this, he ends up being town.)

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Vanta Black reads like Town right now.

To me as well. I don’t remember his scum game but this reads like his town game from a particular game where I was paranoid about him and I was totally wrong (it was the one where he kept going back and forth about killing me and I was begging him to).

[Archangel]

@Kaiveran (for everyone else, I am not trying to belabor this issue, I have a specific question in response to his response to the back and forth about him), I don’t know you, I was asking if you were a sock. (Although I was on MU in 2016 or 2017, so it’s possible our paths crossed but I don’t remember you.)

Please describe your play style in terms of posting to me.

Specifically I want to know if you read the whole thread and then decide things to respond to, or respond as you go, or (like me, but I don’t know if anyone else does this), read the whole thread and then start responding backwards.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Archangel

To me as well. I don’t remember his scum game but this reads like his town game from a particular game where I was paranoid about him and I was totally wrong (it was the one where he kept going back and forth about killing me and I was begging him to).

I rarely can identify any one players scum game vs town game. I swear I can sometimes tell when Meeko is up to something, though. I haven't seen anything yet.

[LightFoot]

I am unfashionably late
I do have a doctor note.

BP 179/97 put 88 pound me in the hospital

[LightFoot]

NETA non cardiac they said but no one is saying what?

Hoping to see my regular Doc tomorrow. the ER was not as helpful as I would like but they did stabilize me and send me on my way.......................( with a muscle relaxant)??

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Hello, everyone, I am here and have my Vanilla Town role PM. In the dark, but happy to point at people and vote.

VT is always in the dark d1 if not all game= nothing unusual

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by guiri

Mahaloth’s question to the village about the possibility of gambling kinda fits into that weird column. If he’s aware of any hidden game or mechanism within the game, it’s out in the open now, he’s clearly not VT and he could be fishing, and if he’s not aware but really wanted to know the answer, he could have asked the moderator. Otherwise it’s just a little weird. While other players have a habit or policy of claiming in their first post, I don’t believe Mahaloth does, and I also don’t recall if he follows the town never lies policy, so claiming VT truthfully reduces the pool for any power roles to hide in and adds little info for the rest of Town - except maybe a tracker, why bother?
~

Bolding mine. Do you think he is not VT or as you later type was that statement contingent on the first part o that sentence?

my cognative skills are a tad off at this time

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Okay, tempted to vote for both Bashorian Clement and LightFoot, for not appearing yet! I know LightFoot said something about being in Vegas (literally, and when I say "literally" I mean literally).

When they show up I will post thoughts as per Kaiveran's request.

Yes I was

Kaiveran, glad you're here. Just FYI we generally color town as blue, not green, here. And also we have to unvote if we change our vote. It's fairly obvious you've played a few other places!

~.

bolding mne
However if it is BOLD and blue it may be counted as a vote.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I'm not becoming the Pleonast "post early" guy, though I obviously did that in this game for no solid reason.

no solid reason that ou care to share at this time? or it ust happened??

I think in the last game where I did it, it was because I used my power Night Zero or Night One and dropped the relevant info right away.

Anyway, if you don't believe me, you can definitely kill me. It's a bad idea, but if you really see nothing else today.

[Colby11]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Yes I was

bolding mne
However if it is BOLD and blue it may be counted as a vote.

I thought it had to have the vote tags?

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

no solid reason that ou care to share at this time? or it ust happened??

No reason, just did it. I guess I was being a loose cannon.

[Colby11]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

With the current state of mafia I could very easily post way too much, comparatively speaking. I'm trying to pace myself.

This combined with the vote from earlier (which seems like a joke vote) screams that Vanta is blending in by announcing their decisions? Something smells fishy…

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Colby11

I thought it had to have the vote tags?

It does depend on the game and the Mod
Note I did say may be counted

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

No reason, just did it. I guess I was being a loose cannon.

thankks for responding Maha

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I'm not becoming the Pleonast "post early" guy, though I obviously did that in this game for no solid reason.

I think in the last game where I did it, it was because I used my power Night Zero or Night One and dropped the relevant info right away.

Anyway, if you don't believe me, you can definitely kill me. It's a bad idea, but if you really see nothing else today.

Just getting home from work, which was fun and half, nearly losing my job today.

Anyway, I see that the game has, in my opinion, finally "woken up" and we have other things to go on, even if they are similar to things I've already poked at.

But yeah, I can unvote you here, and you know, re-evaluate all things, old and new.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

That whole last post was a reply to guiri. I mean anyone can read it but some of it probably needs that context.

Am I less Meeko to players who aren't Guiri?

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Maybe "directed procrastinating" would be better. I'm really really good at procrastinating.

This was an (apparent) failed joke, at my expense, I know nothing about this "pacing". Obviously.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Am I less Meeko to players who aren't Guiri?

I mean anyone can read it but some of it probably needs that context.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

It does depend on the game and the Mod
Note I did say may be counted

This explains why every time I posted a vote count in the last game the vote-counting robot started off with "Vanta Black has voted" --because I was starting the Day off with who left the kitchen in bold and blue (if blue was warranted) but I didn't use the word vote (and V-C robot didn't add a name)

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

This explains why every time I posted a vote count in the last game the vote-counting robot started off with "Vanta Black has voted" --because I was starting the Day off with who left the kitchen in bold and blue (if blue was warranted) but I didn't use the word vote (and V-C robot didn't add a name)

quote tags prevent that in most cases

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Archangel

@Kaiveran (for everyone else, I am not trying to belabor this issue, I have a specific question in response to his response to the back and forth about him), I don’t know you, I was asking if you were a sock. (Although I was on MU in 2016 or 2017, so it’s possible our paths crossed but I don’t remember you.)

Please describe your play style in terms of posting to me.

Specifically I want to know if you read the whole thread and then decide things to respond to, or respond as you go, or (like me, but I don’t know if anyone else does this), read the whole thread and then start responding backwards.

This seems like a very specific question that you don't really care about the answer to. The reason it seems like that is because you want to know this about Kaiveran but you admit right there that you don't know this specific posting thing about anyone else. So what is the reasoning?

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

This seems like a very specific question that you don't really care about the answer to. The reason it seems like that is because you want to know this about Kaiveran but you admit right there that you don't know this specific posting thing about anyone else. So what is the reasoning?

Now that you have pointed this out it does seem a bit of a strange question. I don't know how other people answer posts, I sometimes pick up something as I'm reading, at other times I read to the end and then post. I find that if I pick up on something when reading along and ask about a post I find it has already been answered a bit later on.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by guiri

And the wincon talks about anti-town forces.

Which makes it sound as if there are more than just scum to worry about.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

At least I was hoping everyone would've posted by the time I got back. Oh well, still got plenty of time, and I appreciate the easy catch-up.

When our remaining two (Lightfoot and Clement) arrive and get caught up themselves, I have a small request to make of everyone.

Could you please share with the class just one read, town or scum (no nulls), with whatever reasoning you can scrounge up.

The quality or strength of this read doesn't matter. It could be a brain read, a gut read, or even a wild guess. Literally. Don't give a single shit about how flimsy, specious or stupid your argument looks.

Just plunk down your bets. Say how you feel about a certain player, and explain why. If you were here and already explained it, quote or link the post you explained it in. If someone else explained it and you're just sheeping their suspicion/vote, point to that post and say why you find it convincing. Again, no wrong answers for that.

Just get something out there, everybody. Once everyone has that, everyone has a position on something that other players can agree or disagree with. And once we agree or disagree with other players on something, we can investigate those disagreements for further evidence on players' alignments. And with that, we can progress past the "noise" stage of D1 into something at least marginally productive.

I'll start: Meeko is town, for reasons I went into in my post immediately above.

It does help to read Meeko's posts carefully, he often comes up with things that others haven't seen but it is usually hidden inside a long post.

One person I have a niggle about is gnarlycharlie for voting for guiri about the 3P thing and he hasn't come back to say anything about it once it was pointed out that it does look as if there is more than one force that Town has to eliminate.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by TexCat

I'm inclined to agree with this.

Do you agree that a scum Maha would come out and say he's a VT or that he might be telling the truth and you are voting for him anyway?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Okay, well I like to start D1 in a position of trust, that is to say reading everyone as if they're town. If I do that sometimes things stand out.

Two days into D1 is not that early, but two players haven't even posted yet. So there is not a lot to stand out...

I guess that was the intent of the request, based on what little there is, take a stand, even if it's just based on gut or what someone else said, it's a conversation starting point and something to look back at later in the game. I caught a scum in a recent game doing exactly this.

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

(Is this refreshing after the MU game that had a post cap of 150 posts/day and people hit that? Also btw good job in that game, I didn't really follow it other than to see that you picked out the only scum the town got.)

Yes, I knew what I was getting into but still, there was some culture shock with the volume and posting style and I had zero thread pull, so having two correct scum reads D1 meant little as I was unable to convince others.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Vanta Black reads like Town right now.

Your gut has proven to be pretty accurate, noting this for now.

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Bolding mine. Do you think he is not VT or as you later type was that statement contingent on the first part o that sentence?

my cognative skills are a tad off at this time

The latter, if he knew about any hidden gambling mechanism in this game, he couldn't have the VT role PM, as there's nothing mentioned there.

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

This seems like a very specific question that you don't really care about the answer to. The reason it seems like that is because you want to know this about Kaiveran but you admit right there that you don't know this specific posting thing about anyone else. So what is the reasoning?

I'm guessing she's noticed something in post #38 and is waiting for the response before explaining herself.

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Now that you have pointed this out it does seem a bit of a strange question. I don't know how other people answer posts, I sometimes pick up something as I'm reading, at other times I read to the end and then post. I find that if I pick up on something when reading along and ask about a post I find it has already been answered a bit later on.

I usually skim what I missed, in case there's been some major development - like I'm on the chopping block or a claim which I want to react to, and then go back and read post by post, asking/answering questions chronologically as I go.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

This seems like a very specific question that you don't really care about the answer to. The reason it seems like that is because you want to know this about Kaiveran but you admit right there that you don't know this specific posting thing about anyone else. So what is the reasoning?

No, I am getting at something.

I’ll share it after I get his answer.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Now that you have pointed this out it does seem a bit of a strange question. I don't know how other people answer posts, I sometimes pick up something as I'm reading, at other times I read to the end and then post. I find that if I pick up on something when reading along and ask about a post I find it has already been answered a bit later on.

I have a very specific reason for asking this. (I need the answer for Kaiveran, not all of you.)

And strange does not mean scum.

[Archangel]

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Punctuation tell?

[Archangel]

Getting ready for work and late as usual but LightFoot, sending hugs and I hope they get to the bottom of it. You deserve a break.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by guiri

Punctuation tell?

Not exactly but part of that is part of it. I will share why but I want to see if/when he shows up first.

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by Archangel

@Kaiveran (for everyone else, I am not trying to belabor this issue, I have a specific question in response to his response to the back and forth about him), I don’t know you, I was asking if you were a sock. (Although I was on MU in 2016 or 2017, so it’s possible our paths crossed but I don’t remember you.)

Please describe your play style in terms of posting to me.

Specifically I want to know if you read the whole thread and then decide things to respond to, or respond as you go, or (like me, but I don’t know if anyone else does this), read the whole thread and then start responding backwards.

@Archangel
I do try to keep up on the whole thread, but I pick out things to respond to as I read, typically using multiquote. Of course, mentions and/or certain circumstances may cause me to look at things "out of order" occasionally.

The combination of my decreasing free time and the stubborn persistence (hell, even proliferation) of short-ass deadlines in the IM/UR sphere has unfortunately made this untenable in many cases, and with some difficulty I've adopted a more Real Timer approach for that milieu, relying on other players to cover the gaps for me. But here, with week-long cycles and a refreshingly leisurely pace, I feel relieved to be able to stretch my legs and do what comes naturally to me.

I may make a habit of playing here for this very reason. Maybe. Depends on if I can ever get used to blue being the default vanillager color instead of green. Blasphemy, I say.

[Kaiveran]

Coming back for more later. Gonna need some more sleep if I'm to survive tonight at work.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Morning, everyone. 28ish hours to go.

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Guiri (1): gnarlycharlie (13)
Precambrianmollusc (1): Archangel (89)
Mahaloth (1): Colby11 (28)[28], TexCat (35), Meeko (45)[75]
Meeko (1): Vanta Black (37)
Vanta Black (1): Colby11 (72)
Archangel (0): guiri (23)[40]

Voting History: post #13: gnarlycharlie voted Guiri post #23: guiri voted Archangel post #28: Colby11 voted Mahaloth post #28: Colby11 unvoted Mahaloth post #35: TexCat voted Mahaloth post #37: Vanta Black voted Meeko post #40: guiri unvoted Archangel post #45: Meeko voted Mahaloth post #72: Colby11 voted Vanta Black post #75: Meeko unvoted Mahaloth post #89: Archangel voted Precambrianmollusc

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by guiri

Punctuation tell?

You appear to be hung up on Precambrian's punctuation. Can you explain what about the punctuation is scummy?

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

With the current state of mafia I could very easily post way too much, comparatively speaking. I'm trying to pace myself.

What is meant by "the current state" and how would that lead you to post more than you usually would?

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Colby11

This combined with the vote from earlier (which seems like a joke vote) screams that Vanta is blending in by announcing their decisions? Something smells fishy…

I'm confused about "blending in." If someone is doing what everyone else is doing, what makes them scum-siding as opposed to the players who are doing the same thing?

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

Evening all.

Never been to Las Vegas before. I'll be looking over next year's GP course if you want to talk.

*Goes on a stroll down the Strip.*

GP course?

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

It does help to read Meeko's posts carefully, he often comes up with things that others haven't seen but it is usually hidden inside a long post.

One person I have a niggle about is gnarlycharlie for voting for guiri about the 3P thing and he hasn't come back to say anything about it once it was pointed out that it does look as if there is more than one force that Town has to eliminate.

I mean, if I could "package" what I want to say, in an easy to digest package, it would come at a great cost.

The cost of being able to find the nuggets in the first place.

I tell my co-workers, when I can tell that they have had enough of me for the day ::

"See, that's the thing, you get to go home, and get away from me, I'm stuck with me, 24/7 "

----



This is .... has gotten old already.


I mean, It's a lot of work for like, half a vote. You will find your information, or you won't, and that causes you to vote Kaiverian, or not. This is how I mean "half vote".

We won't be able to "access" that information that you get in way shape or form. And, not that you would, but, how exactly would anyone else be able to verify that your results are as you intended when you started this ..... I hate to say it, witch hunt, and that those results haven't changed? Opportunist.

You are carving out something that ... no one can follow you on. Undoubtedly, after this, comes us asking you to trust you, win lose or draw on Kai. And it kinda..... It puts you above Kai, and I'm not sure I like that. Just on principle, you should not do that to a newcomer, or any player, frankly.

""
It does help to read Meeko's posts carefully, he often comes up with things that others haven't seen but it is usually hidden inside a long post.
""


Well, that's interesting, because, I mean, I started off this post with that in my head, and I wanted to respond, obviously. I also wanted to put down a vote on AA, and well, the two merged here, and For The Record, I did .... Hopefully my reasoning for voting is clear. I am so close to saying that I feel like it is my clearest vote rationale post ever.