Masks at Midnight - Day 1

[Red Skeezix]

The lights comeback on with a bang as the door swings wide against it's hinges. A well-worn character steps through the threshold, and with an exasperated sigh, says "Thank God! The phones are out, the roads is washed out and my car's in the ditch on the other side of a newly forming river. My name is Red. I sure am glad to see some folks keeping safe in here. I expect that well have to bunker up in here against the storm as the rescue folks won't be able to reach us till morning. I left a note in my car said i was proceeding here on foot." Once everyone is settled back down, the group assembles makeshift bedding from the church's ample supplies. It's an uneasy night as everyone would rather be at home in their own beds.

Dawn breaks with a scream. Red is dead. His throat was slit during the night, and in what looks to be his last act, he's scrawled in blood on the floor. "you cannot run, once the rite has begun" Panicked, one of the group rushes for the entry way, but the doors will not budge.

The Trap is Sprung.

Day 1 is started. Nominations will be accepted on a first come - first serve basis starting at 8pm ET on October 13th. The day will continue until someone is executed, or October 15th at 8pm ET.
The available number of votes for today is 11.

Day begin/Night end PMs are going out now. Sorry for the delay I had a scheduling conflict.

[Pleonast]

And the winners of Night Zero are
Bicycle Repair Man
Mordenkainen
TexCat
one of who is
The Publicist.

Did they get me first? Am I actually a Patsy?
I can't know and neither can you, unless other players decide to help Town.

[TexCat]

I am not the publicist.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by TexCat

I am not the publicist.

That's exactly what the Publicist would say. Care to say something to help Town?

[Bicycle Repair Man]

I am not the Publicist. I have already revealed something about my role. Unless I am the Patsy I can possibly be of use at some point.

[LightFoot]

The Publicist - Each night (including Night 0) you pick someone to decieve, they will remain decieved for tonight and tomorrow night. They will not know they have been decieved. While they are decieved any information they recieve from the moderator may be false.

FOR my reference
when I am not so fippin ired I will look closer

[Bashorian Clement]

Heads up. I am the town child.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

And the winners of Night Zero are
Bicycle Repair Man
Mordenkainen
TexCat
one of who is
The Publicist.

Did they get me first? Am I actually a Patsy?
I can't know and neither can you, unless other players decide to help Town.

Yeah, about that.....

Originally Posted by Red Skeezix

You are the Town Gossip. You will receive another PM at the start of Day 1 with your information.

Originally Posted by Red Skeezix

one of the following is the Patsy; guiri, Mahaloth, Pleonast

Bold has been added.

And yes, I already have been in conversation with the Mod about the Irony of all of this, that I get to, apparently, dispute Pleonast.

But, I guess this is the game we are playing.

And despite that we are playing it, I feel that we've already been played.

But.

Well, I at least get Pleonast's point, even if, ultimately, I feel like I can't do anything with his results.

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Well, this has been a great game guys. I am so glad I got to play it. I'm not sure what I am going to do for the remaining three and a half weeks. So glad we had so much fun with this game.

[Meeko]

Why do I feel like this game is best played with a Sopa Opera-esque pipe organ "sting" after every reveal?

[guiri]

It’s part-puzzle, part-mafia, and at least 2 players are intentionally misleading us.

I’m the therapist (or Patsy, so take my results with a pinch of salt until that’s resolved…) 0 scum adjacent to me on the player list, so that would be Mahaloth and Colby. Presumably I won’t learn anything new until one of those two leave the game and then I’d get a result on Meeko or Bashorian.

So far the claimed info is consistent:
- Pleo - Private Eye - one of Bicycle Repair Man, Mordenkainen and TexCat is the Publicist
- Texcat - not Publicist
- Bicycle Repair Man - claims not Publicist but has received info
- Bashorian - Child
- Meeko - Gossip - one of Pleo, Mahaloth and me is Patsy
- Guiri - Therapist - neither of Mahaloth and Colby are scum

[Mahaloth]

Hey, I'm the Seer and each night, I can look at two players to see if they are the Cult Leader. Not scum in general, just if they are specifically the Cult Leader.

Meeko and Guiri are NOT the Cult Leader. Nice, but hardly cleared from being scum entirely.

[Mordenkainen]

I am not the Publicist.

Of course, if I were the Publicist I would deny it. So would any Townie - and indeed any other non-Publicist Mafiate.

I think it's likely that the Publicist does exist. Private Eye's role gets three names and one Mafia role, and the claim that one of the players has the named role - and therefore the role is in the game. If there were no Publicist, the results would not say that the Publicist is in the game.

In fact the only way the publicist could not be in the game is if Pleo is a Mafiate. I give that no credence without substantial support. So it's likely Pleo is Towwn - albeit possibly deluded Town.

[Mordenkainen]

NETA:

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

In fact the only way the publicist could not be in the game is if Pleo is a Mafiate. I give that no credence without substantial support. So it's likely Pleo is Town - albeit possibly deluded Town.

I take that back. I thought of a second way for there to be no Publicist; Pleo could be the Patsy.

While I am Town-aligned, I haven't claimed yet as I'm not convinced Town gains from knowing right now. Maybe tomorrow.

[TexCat]

It's good to know that I am not likely to be the Patsy. Thanks Meeko!

Updating Guiri's summary:
- Pleo - Private Eye - one of Bicycle Repair Man, Mordenkainen and TexCat is the Publicist
- Texcat - not Publicist
- Bicycle Repair Man - claims not Publicist but has received info
- Bashorian - Child
- Meeko - Gossip - one of Pleo, Mahaloth and Guiri is Patsy
- Guiri - Therapist - neither of Mahaloth and Colby are scum
- Mahaloth - Seer - neither of Meeko and Guiri are the Cult Leader

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Yeah, about that.....

Bold has been added.

And yes, I already have been in conversation with the Mod about the Irony of all of this, that I get to, apparently, dispute Pleonast.

But, I guess this is the game we are playing.

And despite that we are playing it, I feel that we've already been played.

But.

Well, I at least get Pleonast's point, even if, ultimately, I feel like I can't do anything with his results.

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Well, this has been a great game guys. I am so glad I got to play it. I'm not sure what I am going to do for the remaining three and a half weeks. So glad we had so much fun with this game.

Please share your conversation(s) with the Mod regarding this game.

[TexCat]

I'm thinking about nominating Bike guy. Any thoughts? He's not sharing his info. Is he scum waiting to see what info would be consistent before he shares? And he's possibly the Publicist.

[Pleonast]

My notes on claims:

SPECIFIC CLAIMS

Originally Posted by Pleonast

And the winners of Night Zero are
Bicycle Repair Man
Mordenkainen
TexCat
one of who is
The Publicist.

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Heads up. I am the town child.

Originally Posted by Meeko

You are the Town Gossip. You will receive another PM at the start of Day 1 with your information.
one of the following is the Patsy; guiri, Mahaloth, Pleonast

Originally Posted by guiri

I’m the therapist (or Patsy, so take my results with a pinch of salt until that’s resolved…) 0 scum adjacent to me on the player list, so that would be Mahaloth and Colby.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Hey, I'm the Seer and each night, I can look at two players to see if they are the Cult Leader. Not scum in general, just if they are specifically the Cult Leader.

Meeko and Guiri are NOT the Cult Leader. Nice, but hardly cleared from being scum entirely.

VAGUE CLAIMS

Originally Posted by Bicycle Repair Man

I claim I am not rich. I claim I am not poor. I have a wife, a dog and a house. And I claim that I want no more.

NO CLAIMS
Colby11
TexCat
raventhief
Mordenkainen
LightFoot

[Colby11]

I have no information to give at this point… that’s all I am willing to share right now…

And that I’m not scum, but that’s been shared already by someone who’s not me..

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Colby11

I have no information to give at this point… that’s all I am willing to share right now…

And that I’m not scum, but that’s been shared already by someone who’s not me..

So, you are claiming one of:
Mortician
Priest
Harbinger
Veteran
Vigilante
Politician

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Heads up. I am the town child.

This is one of the more useful roles, because it allows us to confirm two players, at the cost of one townie death.

I'll have to think about which role we should confirm.

[Mordenkainen]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

Mortician
Priest
Harbinger
Veteran
Vigilante
Politician

My role does appear in that list.

That is all I am willing to claim Today.

[Meeko]

Pleonast

I'll extend the same courtesy here you gave me in regards to my Night 0 "vote".

My PM s from Mod were two separate PM s. I doubt you are angling for a smudge here, but I feel obligated to clarify.

[Bicycle Repair Man]

Originally Posted by TexCat

I'm thinking about nominating Bike guy. Any thoughts? He's not sharing his info. Is he scum waiting to see what info would be consistent before he shares? And he's possibly the Publicist.

I have shared, by my judgment, what it is best to share.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

This is one of the more useful roles, because it allows us to confirm two players, at the cost of one townie death.

I'll have to think about which role we should confirm.

We could have a top scum suspect nominate the Child, and if they don’t die, we have a perfect candidate for the Vig, right? Even the miller would be executed automatically.

[Bicycle Repair Man]

Originally Posted by guiri

We could have a top scum suspect nominate the Child, and if they don’t die, we have a perfect candidate for the Vig, right? Even the miller would be executed automatically.

This seems reasonable enough. Of course the Child claim could be safely challenged if an innocent Bashorian is the Patsy.

[guiri]

Well Meeko’s information excludes that possibility.

[Bicycle Repair Man]

Originally Posted by guiri

Well Meeko’s information excludes that possibility.

Fair enough. Barring double misinformation or outright lies.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

My role does appear in that list.

That is all I am willing to claim Today.

Thank you. Even partial information can make a difference.

To everyone else: if you're not in a position to make a specific claim, follow Mordenkainen's example.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Red Skeezix

Gossip - At the start of Day 1 you will be given the names of 3 players and a town role (one of: Servant, Patsy, White Rose, Child, Miller). One of these 3 players has this role (Or you will be told that none of these roles is in the game).
Innkeeper - At the start of Day 1 you will be given the names of 3 players and a town role (one of: Any town role not available to Gossip). One of these 3 players has this role.
Private Eye - At the start of Day 1 you will be given the names of 3 players and a scum role. One of these 3 players has this role.
Janitor - At the start of Day 1 you will be told how many Scum roles are in the game.
Therapist - While alive, once per night you will be told the number of players adjacent to you on the player roster have scum roles.
Seer - While alive, once per night you may pick 2 players, you will be told if either of them is the Cult Leader.
Mortician - While alive, at night you will learn the role of the player who has been executed that day.
Priest - While alive, once per night you may select a living player other than yourself, that player cannot be killed by the Cult Leader.
Harbinger - If you die during the night, you will learn the role of one player of your choice.
Veteran - You cannot be killed by the Cult Leader at night.
Vigilante - While you are alive, one time per game, during the day, you may publicly announce you are killing a player. If that player is the cult leader, they will be executed immediately.
Politician - While you are alive, if the game is reduced to 3 or less living players and no one is executed, you win.
Servant - While alive, each night you pick a player, during the following day you may only vote after that player votes. Once you are not alive, you no longer have this restriction. If you don't pick a player, you cannot vote.
Patsy - You do not know you are the patsy. You will be told by the moderator that you are a different townsfolk. Any actions you take will fail, and any information you recieve may be incorrect.
White Rose - If you are executed, the town loses.
Child - The first time you are nominated, if the player who nominated you is a townsfolk they will be executed immediately.
Miller - You appear to be scum or The Cult Leader to the Private Eye, Therapist, Seer and Harbinger.

Gossip, Innkeeper, Private Eye, Janitor: These roles have information now and cannot gain any more. Should fully claim now. Any claim of these roles after Day One should be considered scum fakery. No compromise on this--auto-execute after Day One.

Therapist, Seer, Mortician, Priest: These roles continue to gather information. Up to the player when to claim. Delaying means probably gathering more info, but also delays when Town can use the info. This is mostly likely where Scum false claims will be, since with a Patsy and Publicist potentially in play, wrong results aren't necessarily incriminating.

Harbinger, Veteran, Vigilante, Politician: These roles have powers that will only be used once. I'd prefer to see early claims from this group, but that's only personal preference. This is also a great place for Town to make false claims, especially those in the continuing-power group.

Servant, (Patsy), White Rose, Child, Miller: These roles have anti-Town effects and should claim now to avoid them. Late claims are suspicious, but not auto-execute like the Day-One group.

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

So, you are claiming one of:
Mortician
Priest
Harbinger
Veteran
Vigilante
Politician

My role also is in your list.

[Meeko]

The fundamental deceit of this game is to make us question the "foundational" aspects of the standard mafia game.

As we are, and probably will continue to do so throughout the game, talking about the Patsy role, I would assume that the foundational is adequately "shook".

Therefore, I posit, we must look elsewhere, for the foundational, within this immediate game.

We know that Patsies [may] exist.

I posit that multiple of them do.

I'm not good on my (Sexton?) math here, but I think the entire "Weight" of power that the Scum team has, in any given permutation. That is, this game just, on it's face, is complicated, and being sufficiently complicated, we are going to have a lot of Sexton points in the mix.

--- Dammit, I am adding this part in last here. There was more here, that slipped my mind. That, if we can (and should) embrace that, this is an advanced game, and that, even for me, we all come at this game with some skill, we should be forced to conclude that the J point mix is up there. I'm just saying that, Patsies are vanillas in this game, and we need a lot of them, seeing all the win cons, and the Hail Mary type roles in the game. The threading of various needles, needs patsies. ---

What is better than a game where everyone has a power? A game where people kinda sorta, not really have powers..... and thus revert to vanilla, at any sign of pressure against.

Related, we have roles that are "french vanilla" [I believe I've covered this in other games] .... roles that are marginally more than vanilla, or that have been, in a word, neutered from their power. The Gossip not getting anymore messages in and of / because / of their stated power, is a member to this classification.

All of that to say we can go two routes here.

The Meeko route : Hey guys, what if we are all Patsises?!

or

The Meeko, but is he actually trying to make a play at being a mature Mafia player route :

I think we have as many Patsies in this game, as we would need vanilla roles in any ""regular"" mafia game. [C7 or whatever, the standard all vanilla, save for a cop and doc and like 3 scum]


I'm not sure how to say it different. I will not digress. I think it will serve us well to literally do the math on it all .... and substitute Patsies for Vanillas.




I'm not sure if this helps, and admitedly it was half baked, but I think it needs to be said, one, and two, we need everything out sooner, rather than later, if we are going to sudoku this thing into a win.

Because, as others have posted, this is more puzzle than Mafia at this point.

[Colby11]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

So, you are claiming one of:
Mortician
Priest
Harbinger
Veteran
Vigilante
Politician

Yes

[Pleonast]

My notes on claims:

SPECIFIC CLAIMS

Originally Posted by Pleonast

And the winners of Night Zero are
Bicycle Repair Man
Mordenkainen
TexCat
one of who is
The Publicist.

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Heads up. I am the town child.

Originally Posted by Meeko

You are the Town Gossip. You will receive another PM at the start of Day 1 with your information.
one of the following is the Patsy; guiri, Mahaloth, Pleonast

Originally Posted by guiri

I’m the therapist (or Patsy, so take my results with a pinch of salt until that’s resolved…) 0 scum adjacent to me on the player list, so that would be Mahaloth and Colby.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Hey, I'm the Seer and each night, I can look at two players to see if they are the Cult Leader. Not scum in general, just if they are specifically the Cult Leader.

Meeko and Guiri are NOT the Cult Leader. Nice, but hardly cleared from being scum entirely.

VAGUE CLAIMS

Originally Posted by Bicycle Repair Man

I claim I am not rich. I claim I am not poor. I have a wife, a dog and a house. And I claim that I want no more.

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

My role does appear in that list.

Originally Posted by TexCat

My role also is in your list.

Originally Posted by Colby11

Yes

NO CLAIMS
raventhief
LightFoot

[Red Skeezix]

A few questions have come in about the ability to send messages. Please allow me to answer them:

Q: Can I send my two allotted messages to two different players?
A: Yes.

Q: Can I send my two messages directly to those players?
A: No. They must be sent using me as the proxy. Any message pertaining to this game between two players during the course of the game sent directly is strictly against the rules.

Q: Will you send whatever text I send, exactly as I specify?
A: Yes. With the following caveats. I will not forward any message that contains any derogatory or abusive language (this includes but is not limited to slurs, dead names, intentionally incorrect pronouns, etc). I will also not forward any message that I consider to be harassment. If there is any ambiguity, I will ask you to change the wording of your message.

[raventhief]

That's sad, red died immediately. Poor mod.


I am not ready to claim, but my role does appear o on that list. I'll share more when the time is right.

[raventhief]

Also my whiteboard is already getting use and is all marked up.

[Red Skeezix]

Pleonast and Meeko seem to be holding a private conference.

[Bashorian Clement]

Meeko is probably scum.

[Pleonast]

Message received from Meeko:
=


Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine



=

[guiri]

If there’s a spy in the game, any of the claimants could be scum.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

Message received from Meeko:
=


Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine



=

42 wines? Cool, enjoy!

[raventhief]

That is a LOT of wine.

[Bashorian Clement]

Who contacted who, Pleonast?

[Red Skeezix]

24 Hours has passed. Nominations and voting may now commence!

[Bicycle Repair Man]

Would a Patsy be randomly assigned a fake role, or would such a role be assigned by the mod to create balance?

[Red Skeezix]

Originally Posted by Bicycle Repair Man

Would a Patsy be randomly assigned a fake role, or would such a role be assigned by the mod to create balance?

No comment.

[LightFoot]

I am working 10 hour days and packng to move in my spare ha time
I can't focus on game
sorry all - it is too dark in this room to type
keeping in mind the mod tod us there could be duplicate roles [ well I recal the possiillity of dupes was not ruled out]and we know not all Town roes can b in play - I did do the numbers somewhere I need to have the time to look at this with a clearer mind
not sense making?? I am not surprised

off the cuff someone has already lied about their role

I need sleep

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

I am not the Publicist.

Of course, if I were the Publicist I would deny it. So would any Townie - and indeed any other non-Publicist Mafiate.

I think it's likely that the Publicist does exist. Private Eye's role gets three names and one Mafia role, and the claim that one of the players has the named role - and therefore the role is in the game. If there were no Publicist, the results would not say that the Publicist is in the game.

In fact the only way the publicist could not be in the game is if Pleo is a Mafiate. I give that no credence without substantial support. So it's likely Pleo is Towwn - albeit possibly deluded Town.

What if Pleo is the Patsy?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Meeko

The fundamental deceit of this game is to make us question the "foundational" aspects of the standard mafia game.

As we are, and probably will continue to do so throughout the game, talking about the Patsy role, I would assume that the foundational is adequately "shook".

Therefore, I posit, we must look elsewhere, for the foundational, within this immediate game.

We know that Patsies [may] exist.

I posit that multiple of them do.

I'm not good on my (Sexton?) math here, but I think the entire "Weight" of power that the Scum team has, in any given permutation. That is, this game just, on it's face, is complicated, and being sufficiently complicated, we are going to have a lot of Sexton points in the mix.

--- Dammit, I am adding this part in last here. There was more here, that slipped my mind. That, if we can (and should) embrace that, this is an advanced game, and that, even for me, we all come at this game with some skill, we should be forced to conclude that the J point mix is up there. I'm just saying that, Patsies are vanillas in this game, and we need a lot of them, seeing all the win cons, and the Hail Mary type roles in the game. The threading of various needles, needs patsies. ---

What is better than a game where everyone has a power? A game where people kinda sorta, not really have powers..... and thus revert to vanilla, at any sign of pressure against.

Related, we have roles that are "french vanilla" [I believe I've covered this in other games] .... roles that are marginally more than vanilla, or that have been, in a word, neutered from their power. The Gossip not getting anymore messages in and of / because / of their stated power, is a member to this classification.

All of that to say we can go two routes here.

The Meeko route : Hey guys, what if we are all Patsises?!

or

The Meeko, but is he actually trying to make a play at being a mature Mafia player route :

I think we have as many Patsies in this game, as we would need vanilla roles in any ""regular"" mafia game. [C7 or whatever, the standard all vanilla, save for a cop and doc and like 3 scum]


I'm not sure how to say it different. I will not digress. I think it will serve us well to literally do the math on it all .... and substitute Patsies for Vanillas.




I'm not sure if this helps, and admitedly it was half baked, but I think it needs to be said, one, and two, we need everything out sooner, rather than later, if we are going to sudoku this thing into a win.

Because, as others have posted, this is more puzzle than Mafia at this point.

How does any of this line up with your claimed role and N0 result?

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by guiri

42 wines? Cool, enjoy!

I mean it is the answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything.



But, what was the question?