Nextdoor Mafia Day 2--WINTER

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

Here are some other things that I think:

I think every townie has a power. I think 1 person in every village watches the neighborhood--either with a cat, or some other method. I think everyone else either needs to leave their house to track, or watch, or protect or whatever; or they are scum and only need to leave to execute the NK.

Mendie has a Cat, so doesn't leave home.
Pleo died.
Kaiveran did not leave eir home last night.

Kaiveran is scum.

Except the 7 or 9 out of 16 permutations where there is no scum in any given neighborhood…

[guiri]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Everyone is checked in. No major reveals or serious conversations so far
No one has claimed to be Scum.
And yours?

Without going into details, has anyone shared any powers?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

Mendie has a Cat, so doesn't leave home. [Assumed True or Mendie is lying]
Pleo died. [Fact]
Kaiveran did not leave eir home last night. [Fact]

Kaiveran is scum. [ergo]

I’m guessing you tracked Kai?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

Speaking of shades of gray, here's the rest of my scum list in order of scumminess:

Kaiveran
Guiri
Bashorian Clement

Kaiveran because they didn't go anywhere last Night and they are in a neighbourhood that lost a Town -( which by your reasoning one of the remaining two must be Scum)? Is that your reasoning?

and the other two?

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Claiming a tracker type are you?

Yes. My neighborhood has one tracker (me), one neighborhood watcher (like the cat person), and one scum.

I would love to discuss things with you - but you have not responded to many of the queries I have posed while quoting you.

I must be missing these questions. Please (re)post your queries and number them. I will respond with numbered answers. Fair?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

Strange you accuse me of being "black and white", but I'm the one driving discussion and coming up with different ideas and alternate theories. On the other hand you have players who come right out of the block voting Bear_Nenno with no explanation, argument, theory, reasoning or rationale whatsoever. At least my ideas can be debated. Those voting for me simply stated "he seems scummy" and have said nothing further about it toDay. Unlike everything I've said so far, those statements can't be reasoned with or argued against. I am stating cases and arguments and am being open to debate. Yet, I am the one being "black and white". That's rich.

Your ideas can be debated but you don’t seem open to any other possibility, you’re firm in your beliefs, as if you have info no-one else has, and your reluctance to consider other realities is suspicious.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

Yes. My neighborhood has one tracker (me), one neighborhood watcher (like the cat person), and one scum.

I must be missing these questions. Please (re)post your queries and number them. I will respond with numbered answers. Fair?

how many scum do you think are in this game?

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Kaiveran because they didn't go anywhere last Night and they are in a neighbourhood that lost a Town -( which by your reasoning one of the remaining two must be Scum)? Is that your reasoning?

and the other two?

Guiri because I think one of my neighbors is scum, and Guiri is the most likely for a combination of main-thread and neighborhood chat reasons.

Bashorian Clement mainly because they voted straight away with zero discussion. Trying to look like they are contributing, but without actually participating. It's really just a FOS, and a reminder that I need to take a closer look at Bashorian Clement later.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by guiri

Without going into details, has anyone shared any powers?

without going into details - Two have asked if neighbours had power(s) - and one has claimed to have one that they didn't specify.

I did ask in an attempt to confirm/dispel Bear's theory - if anyone wanted to claim neighbourhood watch. no response.

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by guiri

how many scum do you think are in this game?

You, Kaiveran and at least one other.
Everyone keeps saying there are three. I am not as convinced of that. Either way, if there are 3, then the 4th is a 3PP. Remember this game was supposed to have an additional player. I'm not sure which would be the best first choice to cut from a game--a scum or the 3PP? From a balance perspective, I'd say the 3PP should go. But from a--I'm the moderator and I took the time to set up this game and want to see all of the different fun things play out the way I intended--perspective, I'd want to keep the 3PP.
So... yea, I think it's 3 scum and one 3PP.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

Yes. My neighborhood has one tracker (me), one neighborhood watcher (like the cat person), and one scum.

Is this Fact? your neighbours have told you this?

I must be missing these questions. Please (re)post your queries and number them. I will respond with numbered answers. Fair?

Start with the set that Guiri just reposted on the last page.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

You, Kaiveran and at least one other.
Everyone keeps saying there are three. I am not as convinced of that. Either way, if there are 3, then the 4th is a 3PP. Remember this game was supposed to have an additional player. I'm not sure which would be the best first choice to cut from a game--a scum or the 3PP? From a balance perspective, I'd say the 3PP should go. But from a--I'm the moderator and I took the time to set up this game and want to see all of the different fun things play out the way I intended--perspective, I'd want to keep the 3PP.
So... yea, I think it's 3 scum and one 3PP.

There are 3 wincons so this is the most likely setup.

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Is this Fact? your neighbours have told you this?

Yes. The townier one is a watch. The less-townie one refuses to share.

Start with the set that Guiri just reposted on the last page.

Okay, brb.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

I actually have to apologize…. Mini Dizzy had a spill on Friday and broke her foot. I’ve been in a whirlwind trying to put her 11 year old life back together since. I spent most of the day at school today figuring out just the next 5 days. Ugh!!

I have to reread a lot of this.

I do not believe at this point either of my neighbors are scum. I think there’s a chance once is 3rd party but unless I’ve got wool over my eyes I don’t think I want to evict either one!

I’ll attempt to check back in tonight. Ugh have to check when EOD actually is blah!

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

I actually have to apologize…. Mini Dizzy had a spill on Friday and broke her foot. I’ve been in a whirlwind trying to put her 11 year old life back together since. I spent most of the day at school today figuring out just the next 5 days. Ugh!!

I have to reread a lot of this.

I do not believe at this point either of my neighbors are scum. I think there’s a chance once is 3rd party but unless I’ve got wool over my eyes I don’t think I want to evict either one!

I’ll attempt to check back in tonight. Ugh have to check when EOD actually is blah!

support for the youngen' hang in there.

If you are indeed in Bear's hood you have been exposed ( so you know)

[LightFoot]

Scum have a hive mind. Any one of them could have connected the dots.
IF this is not true then Bear is fabricating a bunch!

[Dizzymrslizzy]

I’m up on the hood talk LightFoot lol

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

Possibly, but then it wouldn't be a "slip". It can't be both a "slip" and also a "pro-scum lie".

I don't follow.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

I’m up on the hood talk LightFoot lol

I assume you are not prepared to confirm or deny?

[LightFoot]

Bashorian Clement You have asked me a a few one line questions but not replied to my answers.

You seem to be operating behind the scenes.
Any comments on our current state?

[LightFoot]

well, Bear's BRB seems to involve more time than I anticipated. zPost 113

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

If you are indeed in Bear's hood...

When did she say this?

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

well, Bear's BRB seems to involve more time than I anticipated. zPost 113

Yea, I got lost looking for answers. Only found more questions.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

When did she say this?

She didn't but you made a post that leads that way. 2:46

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I don't follow.

The evidence presented against me is that my "assumption" about there being no more than one scum per neighborhood is not an assumption at all. It's a "scum slip".
My argument is that I followed this assumption with a pro-town strategy. So, if it is actually a scum slip, that means it is true, in which case, my proposed strategy would be pro-town.

Why then, would I "slip up" and share something only scum knows, while using that information to propose a pro-town strategy?

Your retort was that I must have been lying and leading town astray with my pro-town strategy that isn't really pro-town because it comes from false information and inaccurate "assumptions".

So, my whole point to you is that if I was just leading town astray, then it wasn't a "scum slip". It can't be both a scum slip and a scum lie. It can't be both.

It's not really fair for someone to say, "Oh, that is a scum slip". And then, after I successful argue against why it can't be a scum slip, someone says "Aha! Then it is a scum lie!".

Maybe it's simply just a town assumption and a proposed strategy based on that assumption. If not, then its possibly a scum lie as you say. But it can't logically be a "scum slip" as others have claimed.

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

She didn't but you made a post that leads that way. 2:46

You are very good or very scum.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

The evidence presented against me is that my "assumption" about there being no more than one scum per neighborhood is not an assumption at all. It's a "scum slip".
My argument is that I followed this assumption with a pro-town strategy. So, if it is actually a scum slip, that means it is true, in which case, my proposed strategy would be pro-town.

Why then, would I "slip up" and share something only scum knows, while using that information to propose a pro-town strategy?

Your retort was that I must have been lying and leading town astray with my pro-town strategy that isn't really pro-town because it comes from false information and inaccurate "assumptions".

So, my whole point to you is that if I was just leading town astray, then it wasn't a "scum slip". It can't be both a scum slip and a scum lie. It can't be both.

It's not really fair for someone to say, "Oh, that is a scum slip". And then, after I successful argue against why it can't be a scum slip, someone says "Aha! Then it is a scum lie!".

Maybe it's simply just a town assumption and a proposed strategy based on that assumption. If not, then its possibly a scum lie as you say. But it can't logically be a "scum slip" as others have claimed.

I never called it a slip. check your records.

I did say that it could be a lie/proposed misconception for misdirection.
AS any statement by any player could be.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

You are very good or very scum.

Yes, because Scum would announce it to all players instead of sharing it with only their Scummates privately.
Garsh you are on a roll.

Sorry for the snark. It is frustrating when my POV is not understood.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Bear_nenno (4): Bashorian Clement (5), Mahaloth (21), Mendie Taoma (28), guiri (67)
Kaiveran (1): Bear_Nenno (24)
Dizzymrslizzy (1): LightFoot (44)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to evict.

Not voting: Dizzymrslizzy, Kaiveran, Plumpudding, raventhief, TexCat

[guiri]

World’s biggest sandwich. Must be 4 feet long!

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I never called it a slip. check your records.

I did say that it could be a lie/proposed misconception for misdirection.
AS any statement by any player could be.

Others have said it wad a slip. Thats my point. Most of the votes on me referenced the "scum slip". I was specifically explaining to the group why it could not be a scum slip.
Your response to that explanation was that it could be a lie. Well. If its a lie, then that precludes it from being a slip, in which case the primary "evidence" against me is bullshit. Thats my point. It cant be a lie and a slip.

[LightFoot]

arrrg.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by guiri

World’s biggest sandwich. Must be 4 feet long!

Illegal sandwich

Maybe someone wanted to make sure you didn't miss lunch?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

Yea, I got lost looking for answers. Only found more questions.

There are two specific questions in that post.
You have the answers according to you.
Why the delay?

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Yes, because Scum would announce it to all players instead of sharing it with only their Scummates privately.
Garsh you are on a roll.

Sorry for the snark. It is frustrating when my POV is not understood.

What are you talking about?
If you are scum, you would already know who my neighbors are from chatting with your scum buddies. Nobody claimed that Dizzy was my neighbor, yet you went to that straight away after her post. As if you already knew that.
Its possible you mistakenly thought dizzy claimed to he my neighbor in the main thread rather than you just knowing that from your private chats with guiri. That was my point. Either you made an immediate and brillainy deduction or you were scum and already knew it.

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

There are two specific questions in that post.
You have the answers according to you.
Why the delay?

There are not two questions.
I don't claim to have the answers.

[LightFoot]

:eyeroll:

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

What are you talking about?
If you are scum, you would already know who my neighbors are from chatting with your scum buddies. Nobody claimed that Dizzy was my neighbor, yet you went to that straight away after her post. As if you already knew that.
Its possible you mistakenly thought dizzy claimed to he my neighbor in the main thread rather than you just knowing that from your private chats with guiri. That was my point. Either you made an immediate and brillainy deduction or you were scum and already knew it.

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

There are not two questions.
I don't claim to have the answers.

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Where was this?

again bold mine. Same question- where did I miss that bit of information?

there are 2 questions here
where did Dizzy tell you that they were neighbourhood watch?????????????

[LightFoot]

for the record I am not trying to focus on/pick on Bear - but his lack of understanding of what I am trying to re-explain makes me want to explain.
And he is here.

Guiri are you following this?

[guiri]

Yes, but I can confirm Bear is in my neighborhood, and Dizzy claimed watcher, so that info comes from our neighborhood chat.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by guiri

Yes, but I can confirm Bear is in my neighborhood, and Dizzy claimed watcher, so that info comes from our neighborhood chat.

Thank you.
I can rest that case!

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

It is related to this post and reading backward to the exchange.

Pleo may have been on to something.

So here you go Lightfoot.....You vote me on what you already seem to mysteriously know. No where does Bear say that he's in my neighborhood.

Here's my explanation for this post.

I am a watcher for my neighborhood.
I have no animals that alert me. I don't have a bell or a whistle to blow, but I peer out of my awesome little home and see everything going on around my beloved piece of neighborhood.

I saw last night someone *cough* visited Bear.
I also saw last night someone visited Guiri.

So why are you pushing so hard to out me Lightfoot? Why is that necessary? And do you want to explain your whereabouts last night????

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

So here you go Lightfoot.....You vote me on what you already seem to mysteriously know. No where does Bear say that he's in my neighborhood.

Here's my explanation for this post.

I am a watcher for my neighborhood.
I have no animals that alert me. I don't have a bell or a whistle to blow, but I peer out of my awesome little home and see everything going on around my beloved piece of neighborhood.

I saw last night someone *cough* visited Bear.
I also saw last night someone visited Guiri.

So why are you pushing so hard to out me Lightfoot? Why is that necessary? And do you want to explain your whereabouts last night????

[vote]Lightfoot[vote]

Bear outed you m'dear.

read 137 where I gleaned the info (how else would he know?) and the later you see guiri just confirmed.
I was home last Night.

[LightFoot]

So now
who went a visiting Bear and guiri?

[LightFoot]

I know no one is going to tell me. It is a question for us to ponder nonetheless

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Bear outed you m'dear.

read 137 where I gleaned the info (how else would he know?) and the later you see guiri just confirmed.
I was home last Night.

I know Guiri confirmed it, but Bear never said it, nor insinuated that him and I were neighbors in this thread. The only way you could have known is from the scum chat comparing neighborhoods.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Where was this?

again bold mine. Same question- where did I miss that bit of information?

I crumbed all day yesterday that people could target specific neighborhoods, which is why keeping them private was a better idea for the moment, until we could figure out exactly what people could do.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Is this Fact? your neighbours have told you this?

Start with the set that Guiri just reposted on the last page.

Fact - I told him in our neighborhood chat He was visited last night.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

I crumbed all day yesterday that people could target specific neighborhoods, which is why keeping them private was a better idea for the moment, until we could figure out exactly what people could do.

I missed your crumbs about your neighbourhood . I did however read the above from Bear.
Had I seen said crumbs it still doesn't make me Scum. Everyone looks for hints.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I missed your crumbs about your neighbourhood . I did however read the above from Bear.
Had I seen said crumbs it still doesn't make me Scum. Everyone looks for hints.

No your scum, because Bear didn't say anything about me being his neighbor in this main thread. At all, just re-read every last post, and no where does he crumb it, say it, suggest it. No where.

You outted me Lightfoot. You and you alone, and I'm not that thrilled with it, and there's really only one way you would know that I was paired with Bear.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Fact - I told him in our neighborhood chat He was visited last night.

Thanks ever so for answering for Bear
I wager guiri did not pronounce himself Scum in your 'hood though.