The Badtz Maru situation

[SoylentPopTart]

Originally Posted by Uthrecht

I'll let you know presently.

I keep clicking the links and I get the strangest feeling that we're walking around in circles.

[Roo]

Originally Posted by Khampelf

He can rile, we can flame, name of the game, no shame, no blame.

He flames. . . .no shame, no blame?

[Khampelf]

Originally Posted by Roo

He flames. . . .no shame, no blame?

A thing is what it is, and is not what it is not. One might as well sign up a sloth for a marathon, or counsel a leech on oral hygeine.

[Mirhanda]

Originally Posted by Giraffe

Fuck you!

Stop tickling me.

[Muskrat Love]

Originally Posted by BJMoose

Or, paraphrased for clarity (not to mention "proper" diction), "I am not treated like a troll by people who do not like me."

Which makes this the second time this week you've posted something that is the opposite of what you presumably meant. I can think of three possible reasons for this: 1)You are a troll; 2) you have organic brain damage affecting your verbal skills; 3) you are not terribly bright.

Or perhaps it is something else.

Please advise.



(The thing Syb mentions above is too convoluted for this simple country moose to parse.)

What I'm saying is some people have decided they don't like me (whether because of things I've posted about myself or because I'm a safe target as admins and multiple mods have proclaimed I am a troll), and they also know that I am not a troll. They know I don't like being considered a troll, so they treat me like one. If I was a troll, I wouldn't mind the treatment I got - it would be what I am trying for. As a regular, 99% truthful and sincere poster, it is very annoying to be treated as if everything you say is a lie told to get negative attention.

[Roo]

Originally Posted by Khampelf

A thing is what it is, and is not what it is not.

Ah, the profundity!. . . it oozes!

Originally Posted by Khampelf

One might as well sign up a sloth for a marathon, or counsel a leech on oral hygeine.

Are we going to have to take this to PPR, to argue whether the subject of your analogy is filthy truth, colored by your dirty opinions or whether it's pristine fact which is independently verifiable?

[D_Fenestrator]

Originally Posted by Khampelf

My first thought was "a sci-fi genre based on the premise that computing technology was developed by the ancient greeks."

I would totally read that...

[Uthrecht]

Originally Posted by D_Fenestrator

I would totally read that...

Then here's some starter material for you.

[Islander]

Uthrecht, that is jaw-dropping awesome. It sends a shrivel up my butt. The intricate schematic reminds me of the crop "circles" found in English fields.

[Khampelf]

Originally Posted by Roo

Ah, the profundity!. . . it oozes!

I can be very zen. Many people say to me "Koan, get out of here!"

Originally Posted by Roo

Are we going to have to take this to PPR, to argue whether the subject of your analogy is filthy truth, colored by your dirty opinions or whether it's pristine fact which is independently verifiable?

Why not assume it's personal experience?

[The Cid]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

What I'm saying is some people have decided they don't like me (whether because of things I've posted about myself or because I'm a safe target as admins and multiple mods have proclaimed I am a troll), and they also know that I am not a troll. They know I don't like being considered a troll, so they treat me like one. If I was a troll, I wouldn't mind the treatment I got - it would be what I am trying for. As a regular, 99% truthful and sincere poster, it is very annoying to be treated as if everything you say is a lie told to get negative attention.

No, absolutely no. Some people enjoy reading what you get up to because they think one day you'll do something positive with that big brain of yours. One day. Until then you're amusing and nothing more.

[Chacoguy]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

As a regular, 99% truthful and sincere poster, it is very annoying to be treated as if everything you say is a lie told to get negative attention.

Look man, I'm willing to keep my mind open; that said, if you actually allowed your own child to be 'strapped into a papoose-style cradle board' to have extensive dental surgery, without anesthetic, I think you're worse than a troll. You're fucking psychotic. You're a bad man. You're evil.
I'll err on the side of caution, and kindness, and assume you're a mere troll; one who likes to piddle about the internet, unwilling to right-click those funny words that are underlined in red, just to get a reaction out of anonymous strangers.

[Uthrecht]

Actually, the reading I had of the dentistry post was that he was given that as his only option, and rather than have that done he was able to find private funding for it.

[Chacoguy]

There is no goddamn way that any dentist, that has a license, and wishes to keep it, would so much as suggest such a monstrosity. Badtz was never faced with that choice; no one, in modern America, has or will. Hence, my assumption that Badtz has confirmed himself as a bona fide, card carrying, troll.

[Khampelf]

It's not unheard of. I remember my Dad telling me about having his front teeth pulled w/o anesthetic after they were broken out by a thrown rock. True, this was in the Mid 1950s, so not quite 'modern America'.


Damn, I can't believe I'm going to Badtz for Mr. Maru. This will take a troll on my credibility.

[Chacoguy]

My Dad did the: string-to-wiggly baby tooth-to-doorknob back in the 60's. Good Times.

[mlerose]

There was actually a news story about something similar in Colorado not too long ago; toddlers on Medicaid were being strapped to boards to have dental work done rather than given anesthesia. Here is an article about it.

[Islander]

Hell, I'll speak out on that one too. Anesthetic or not, when my 2-y-o bit through her lower lip while bouncing on the bed, she was put in a papoose while the stitches were put in place. It's not so uncommon. Neither is Medicaid fraud. That part was especially believable.

What I find hard to understand is why a guy would choose to tell a world of strangers about how his smelly farts annoy his office mates. And why he thinks we care. That's sick. TMI TMI TMI!

[Chacoguy]

Originally Posted by mlerose

There was actually a news story about something similar in Colorado not too long ago; toddlers on Medicaid were being strapped to boards to have dental work done rather than given anesthesia. Here is an article about it.

Thanks mlerose,

Holy Shit!! Still, I'm going to hang my hat on this quote:These reports have lead to changes in Colorado state law and prompted investigations in a half-a-dozen states and call bullshit. Fucking Troll.

[Muskrat Love]

Originally Posted by Chacoguy

Look man, I'm willing to keep my mind open; that said, if you actually allowed your own child to be 'strapped into a papoose-style cradle board' to have extensive dental surgery, without anesthetic, I think you're worse than a troll. You're fucking psychotic. You're a bad man. You're evil.
I'll err on the side of caution, and kindness, and assume you're a mere troll; one who likes to piddle about the internet, unwilling to right-click those funny words that are underlined in red, just to get a reaction out of anonymous strangers.

I think you misread my post. What Medicaid would not provide was general anaesthetic - putting them under so they'll not jerk around while the work is being done. They would get local anaesthetic, but with very young children that's not enough as they will still resist the dentist.

Trust me, the strapping them down technique is used a lot by dentists who do extensive dental surgery on young children on Medicaid. I did not want them to do it to my kids because I'm sure it would be a traumatic experience, even with local anaesthetic. Getting work done is uncomfortable or even mildly painful even with a local.

Here's your cite:

http://parents.berkeley.edu/advice/h...-sedation.html

1. You can get the treatment done with general anesthesia. it's scary, but most likely your child will be just fine, and will have no memory of the experience. It's a one time deal and you are done.

2. You can find a pediatric dentist who will use oral sedation (where the child is awake, but sedated) in combination with a papoose board. A papoose board is a restraining device, much like a straight jacket that holds the child in place while the dental work is done. 2 or 3 appointments may be needed to finish the dental treatment. This may be medicaly less scary, but may lead to long term major dental phobia for your child. Or you may be lucky and your child may remember nothing anyway.

[Khampelf]

Damn, Batz.

People do go out of their way to go after you. Since you apologized for reacting to my poor first impression, I'll apologize for the 'file clerk with delusions' crack.

[Muskrat Love]

Also wanted to add that the child who was 4 at the time was able to stand still for some fillings (not the caps they wanted to give them) with liquid valium and a local anesthetic. He would not sit still on a subsequent visit and that's when we were given the option of a papoose board or having the Shriners pay for general anesthesia. They didn't get any work done on the 3 year old at all with sedation, she wouldn't even let them get the hypodermic in her mouth to give her a local.

[Muskrat Love]

Originally Posted by Khampelf

Damn, Batz.

People do go out of their way to go after you. Since you apologized for reacting to my poor first impression, I'll apologize for the 'file clerk with delusions' crack.

No problem. In the case of Chacoguy, it's a combination of ignorance and prejudice. If he knew anything about pediatric dentistry, it wouldn't matter that he thought I was a troll, he'd know I was telling the truth. If he was ignorant of pediatric dentistry but didn't think I was a troll, he probably would not have jumped to the assumption that I was a psychotic and evil man making up bizarre horror stories for attention. A simple google search for "papoose children general anesthetic" would have given him confirmation I wasn't making it up, but sometimes it's easier to assume someone's a liar than to do a simple internet search.

[Muskrat Love]

Originally Posted by Islander

Hell, I'll speak out on that one too. Anesthetic or not, when my 2-y-o bit through her lower lip while bouncing on the bed, she was put in a papoose while the stitches were put in place. It's not so uncommon. Neither is Medicaid fraud. That part was especially believable.

What I find hard to understand is why a guy would choose to tell a world of strangers about how his smelly farts annoy his office mates. And why he thinks we care. That's sick. TMI TMI TMI!

The main reason I mentioned that was the coincedence of having two depressing things happen within 24 hours - first my meeting about the gas (and I was hoping it would be to let me know I was going to get brought on permanent, which made it even more depressing), and then the car accident.

Regarding the gas, I was able to find out that one employee spoke to our supervisor about it, was told to talk to me about it, and said they weren't comfortable doing so. They then referred the issue to the on-site rep for the temp agency I work through. I strongly suspected that the employee was one of two adjacent to me who had been moved next to me within the last couple of weeks, as I'd been working with the rest of the people close to my cube for over a year and am on very friendly terms with them. One of these new people has since turned out to be a pretty cool guy, so I am fairly sure it was the other one, a weird guy who was obsessed with Dragonball Z, hostile to other coworkers, and who has since been fired for other issues.

[Chacoguy]

I will admit to my ignorance of pediatric dentistry; I only know what my own kids experienced. I apologize for jumping to conclusions. As to being prejudiced, I'm somewhat reluctant to say "Hey man, we're cool." The very fact that we have a "Badtz Maru situation" thread is a result of collective frustration from you stinking up the boards with offensive and outlandish posts. Your last few posts above are articulate and well thought out. Keep it up and I don't think anyone will have a problem. My point is: That's how most everyone else posts all the time. It's input like that that makes this a fun and interesting place to spend time. So, if I jumped to conclusions about your decision making, parenting, and judgment, I'm sorry. But, if you're using this incident to gain sympathy so you can resume acting like a troll; I'll probably call you on it. Or maybe not, after all, it is just a message board and in the end you don't take up very much space in my life.

[Sybarite]

I can vouch for the difficulty of getting around small children with needles - as a lab tech, I learned that after about 12 months, if a kid didn't want to get their blood taken, there wasn't much we could do about it.

Good post, Chacoguy. I just want to have fun shooting the shit here; I don't want to have to consider who the source of a post is, and respond differently accordingly.

[whirlingbladesofkick]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

<snip> A simple google search for "papoose children general anesthetic" would have given him confirmation I wasn't making it up, but sometimes it's easier to assume someone who is an admitted liar is a liar than to do a simple internet search.

Fixed that for you.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

Somethingawful.com has a punishment where a poster's posts are only visible to themselves. They post to a thread, nobody responds. They create a new thread, nobody replies to it. That would be a good punishment for trolls.

I agree. That said, the moderators would have to be very, very certain that the offender was indeed a troll.

[Erasmus Darwin]

After doing some research, I've discovered the Badtz Maru situation is really a no-win scenario designed to test how moderators handle it.

[Uthrecht]

Which one's Saavik?

[Roo]

Originally Posted by Erasmus Darwin

After doing some research

Show your work, please.

[SmartAleq]

Originally Posted by Roo

Show your work, please.

Here ya go.

[Muskrat Love]

Originally Posted by Chacoguy

The very fact that we have a "Badtz Maru situation" thread is a result of collective frustration from you stinking up the boards with offensive and outlandish posts.

I appreciate you taking a step back, but with this sentence you're pointing out the problem I have with the board - people are claiming I'm making offensive and outlandish posts when I am telling the truth, and they did this a long time before I posted the lie about my settlement. I look through my posting history and I don't see any offensive or outlandish posts. I see sincere, truthful posts that other people claim are offensive or outlandish for no other reason than I am making them.

I was 100% honest about the amount I got paid for the Buick. I did change information partway through because I found out more about it than I knew at first. My first assumption was that I had a salvage title now because that's what the insurance adjuster had originally told me would be the end result. I did not know that when my wife negotiated upwards the value of the car, that the claim was no longer higher than the value of the car and so it WAS treated as a repair claim instead of for totaling the car. This is because I was not involved in that process - my wife's name is on the title, and she handled the negotiations on it's value, and I did not realize all she had done until I had mentioned it to the adjuster when I was there negotiating my personal injury claim. Things changed, I wasn't aware of it, and some of what I had said initially was not correct, not because I was lying, but because I was misinformed and working under the wrong assumptions.

My post about the dental issues with Medicaid was 100% true, and this has since been pointed out, but for a couple of days people were assuming it was an outlandish troll. The issue with the gas was not a troll, but me complaining about an embarrassing and depressing thing that happened around the same time I was in an accident. Some people might not post publicly about that, but I am not embarrassed by people on a message board know about my intestinal problems - I was embarrassed that I had to discuss them with the young lady who the problems were reported to. My issues with the dog were true, and I was painted as being an animal abuser because some people believe that not letting a dog inside on a regular basis is wrong. I personally do not agree with that, and I don't think it's a majority opinion except maybe on these boards, but I was not trying to offend animal lovers with my inquiries into how I could keep the dog from escaping the yard.

Again and again, I post something about my life, and a few people start flaming me over it or accusing me of trollery, and then a pile-on starts, and when I try to explain myself at the surprise attacks, I'm accused of going all "poor me".

[The Cid]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

Again and again, I post something about my life, and a few people start flaming me over it or accusing me of trollery, and then a pile-on starts, and when I try to explain myself at the surprise attacks, I'm accused of going all "poor me".

Stop with the poor me bullshit.

[Veb]

From today:

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

I was 100% honest about the amount I got paid for the Buick. I did change information partway through because I found out more about it than I knew at first. My first assumption was that I had a salvage title now because that's what the insurance adjuster had originally told me would be the end result. I did not know that when my wife negotiated upwards the value of the car, that the claim was no longer higher than the value of the car and so it WAS treated as a repair claim instead of for totaling the car. This is because I was not involved in that process - my wife's name is on the title, and she handled the negotiations on it's value, and I did not realize all she had done until I had mentioned it to the adjuster when I was there negotiating my personal injury claim. Things changed, I wasn't aware of it, and some of what I had said initially was not correct, not because I was lying, but because I was misinformed and working under the wrong assumptions.

From 9/02, post #112 from your Pit thread:

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

Yeah, I lied about that, I only got $1000 (what you recommended I ask for). I wanted to see how you'd react to me getting much more than that.

So...which was the lie? Your first version or the latest?

Spin, blah, spin, blah, spin, blah.

I don't care about your tedious, tacky life. I don't care about your motivations for posting torrents of ridiculous, self-serving horseshit either. But don't expect everyone to lobotomize themselves for your convenience. Though the prospect holds some appeal compared to your endless self-pitying, after the fact rationalizations.

[Muskrat Love]

Originally Posted by TVeblen

From today:



From 9/02, post #112 from your Pit thread:


So...which was the lie? Your first version or the latest?

Spin, blah, spin, blah, spin, blah.

I don't care about your tedious, tacky life. I don't care about your motivations for posting torrents of ridiculous, self-serving horseshit either. But don't expect everyone to lobotomize themselves for your convenience. Though the prospect holds some appeal compared to your endless self-pitying, after the fact rationalizations.

I was accused of lying about the car settlement, by 7, repeatedly. The only thing I lied about was the personal injury claim (I ended up getting $100 plus $200 of medical expenses and missed work). I got $3600 for the car repairs. You keep selectively reading my posts and spinning them so they look like lies. Why is it that you specifically always jump in to try and discredit anything I say?

A lot of people post stuff about their tedious, tacky lives that I don't care about. Instead of insulting their families or calling them trolls, I just don't respond. It's not lobotomizing myself to ignore things I don't care about. If someone posts something I find difficult to believe, I don't stalk them around the message boards.

[SoylentPopTart]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

The only thing I lied about

I don't suppose you get the part where once you've been shown to be a liar, anything spewing from your hole could very well be a lie. See there's this thing, we call it trust. You've shown that you're not to be trusted.


If you have a problem with the board here
and
you think some or all of the moderators are treating you unfairly
and
it's so annoying when people call you a troll


Then why do you stay? If it were me, I'd be embarrassed to be called out like you have and if I wanted to be a part of the community, I'd work out how to make myself a better member of the community.
You seem to just want to make excuses for why we should all put up with you.

[Veb]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

You keep selectively reading my posts and spinning them so they look like lies. Why is it that you specifically always jump in to try and discredit anything I say?

That wasn't selective or spin. Those were direct quotes, from you. You lied, pal. You admitted you lied, and you did it to take a jab.

You wrote it for anybody in world to read. Your own words, you own 'em. Deal.

[Muskrat Love]

Me - I've always told the truth, except in one instance. Here's an example of where I told the truth and it was called a lie

TV - Right here you said "I admit I lied"

Me - That's the ONE time I was talking about!!!

If I am fundamentally dishonest, why can't you find more than one instance of my lying?

[Veb]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru;

If I am fundamentally dishonest, why can't you find more than one instance of my lying?

I'm not on any kind of witch hunt with you, Badtz. You keep posting provocative shit. It's not a one-off; it's over and over with you, then you go on long, involved justifications when posters react. I don't know your motivations. I don't care why you do it. But when the same thing keeps happening again and again, people notice.

Posters will rub each other the wrong way sometimes, fairly or unfairly, rightly or wrongly. That's just the way it goes. There have been plenty of dust ups and a few outright brawls over things. But I've noticed that most posters here are remarkably willing to plant their feet, tell it the way they see it then settle their differences, even if they just agree to disagree.

Like it or not, you've made a credibility problem for yourself. Nobody's done it to you; you've done it to yourself. How you handle that is up to you.

[wring]

Many years ago, I had a conversation w/a client of mine. She was upset that folks hadn't noticed/believed she'd turned over new leaf. I pointed out to her she was well known as a thief and for playing dirty tricks - she protested that she'd not been comvicted of either thing.

Some times, it takes an amount of time good behavior before it gets recognized.

[Muskrat Love]

Originally Posted by wring

Many years ago, I had a conversation w/a client of mine. She was upset that folks hadn't noticed/believed she'd turned over new leaf. I pointed out to her she was well known as a thief and for playing dirty tricks - she protested that she'd not been comvicted of either thing.

Some times, it takes an amount of time good behavior before it gets recognized.

How did I get known for being dishonest when I've only lied once, long after the reputation was there? All the "provocative shit" was true, and the only way you could call it provocative is if you assume it was falsehoods posted to provoke.

[wring]

You are not only known by your actions here.

[SoylentPopTart]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

How did I get known for being dishonest when I've only lied once, long after the reputation was there? All the "provocative shit" was true, and the only way you could call it provocative is if you assume it was falsehoods posted to provoke.

How many times do you think you should be able to lie before you're labeled dishonest?

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

I was accused of lying about the car settlement, by 7, repeatedly. The only thing I lied about was the personal injury claim (I ended up getting $100 plus $200 of medical expenses and missed work). I got $3600 for the car repairs. You keep selectively reading my posts and spinning them so they look like lies. Why is it that you specifically always jump in to try and discredit anything I say?

You also lied about spending your insurance loot on video games at the same time you were posting about how poor you were. When called on it, you changed your story to say it all went to bills and vaccines, etc. And you admitted you were just lying about it to piss people off.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

If I am fundamentally dishonest, why can't you find more than one instance of my lying?

I'm just gonna keep answering this as I haven't gotten a response to it

You also lied about spending your insurance loot on video games at the same time you were posting about how poor you were. When called on it, you changed your story to say it all went to bills and vaccines, etc. And you admitted you were just lying about it to piss people off.

[Sybarite]

Would all y'all mind taking your argument somewhere else if you're finished discussing how we should treat suspected trolls?

[Darmund]

Why? You were going to have a poetry contest in this thread or something?

[Borborygmi]

This thread was to talk about trolls
But by now you know how this crowd rolls
The rest of us cats
Made the thread about Badtz
'Cause he makes stuff up just for lulz

[LurkMeister]

Who cares about trolls?
If they annoy, ignore them
Otherwise, just laugh.