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Old 6th March 2010, 11:25 AM
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Toyota Prius: need answer FAST!

Halp! My Prius is accelerating! Brakes aren't working! It's up to 80...81...83...87...
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Old 6th March 2010, 11:27 AM
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Bullshit, they can't even reach those speeds going downhill with a strong tail-wind.
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Old 6th March 2010, 11:37 AM
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Have you checked to see if you're being towed by something?
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Old 6th March 2010, 11:41 AM
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The first thing you want to do is press that button right below the speedometer. That should change you from km/h to mph.
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Old 6th March 2010, 12:07 PM
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Are you also losing altitude rapidly? 'Cause that would explain the brake thing.
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Old 6th March 2010, 12:22 PM
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Old 6th March 2010, 12:59 PM
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Old 6th March 2010, 01:40 PM
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That must be it, since only the gas-powered Toyotas have the uncontrollable accelerator problem.
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Old 6th March 2010, 07:20 PM
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That must be it, since only the gas-powered Toyotas have the uncontrollable accelerator problem.
Hey, that's right! Priuses (Prii?) have the brake problem. Hence, the emergency anchor.
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Old 6th March 2010, 07:27 PM
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The Prius runs on electric battery and on gas (but not mine!) — that's why they call it a hybrid.


And no, I don't know how to pluralize it either. Wrong thread.
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Old 6th March 2010, 07:35 PM
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Bullshit, they can't even reach those speeds going downhill with a strong tail-wind.
Bullshit. I can out run a BMW from zero to 40.
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Old 7th March 2010, 03:17 AM
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Old 7th March 2010, 04:43 AM
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So, really, it's more of a slow answer you need, rather than a fast one, amirite?
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Old 7th March 2010, 07:34 AM
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Well, if I were really posting from behind the wheel, I'd need a slowing answer quickly. Given all the smartass responses, I died laughing rather than driving into a bridge abutment.
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Old 7th March 2010, 07:51 AM
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Old 7th March 2010, 10:32 AM
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Old 7th March 2010, 11:13 AM
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The Prius runs on electric battery and on gas (but not mine!) — that's why they call it a hybrid.
The meaning of this statement isn't quite clear to me. It might be construed to mean that your Prius doesn't run on gas (ie, Pioneer Woman has installed the Prius mod that converts it to full electric). Or it means that the Prius doesn't run on your gas (contrary to prior conjecture, it isn't flatus-fueled). I'm befuzzled.
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Old 7th March 2010, 02:50 PM
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Look, Monkey-boy, what's yer problem? If I say it runs on a battery AND on gas, is that not the definition of a hybrid? What part of gas-and-electric is confusing you? (And let's leave the flatulence out of this, since gentlewomen like myself — ahem — [blushes fiercely, closes parentheses]). What can I say to help un-befuzzle you?
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Old 9th March 2010, 04:15 AM
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Looks like there was a Prius with a stuck accelerator. Fortunately, he managed to stop with the help of the police:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota...0046912&page=1
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Old 9th March 2010, 04:20 AM
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Looks like there was a Prius with a stuck accelerator. Fortunately, he managed to stop with the help of the police
I saw that on the news a few minutes ago. Apparently the guy had (a) gotten a recall notice shortly before this happened, (b) taken it to the dealer, and (c) was told that his Prius didn't actually need anything fixed after all. I'm wondering what the story behind that was.
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Old 9th March 2010, 07:43 AM
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Apparently the guy had (a) gotten a recall notice shortly before this happened, (b) taken it to the dealer, and (c) was told that his Prius didn't actually need anything fixed after all. I'm wondering what the story behind that was.
The dealer didn't like him much, obviously...
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Old 9th March 2010, 08:17 AM
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Interesting article.

He had a runaway car (allegedly) but when directed by the police managed to slow it with the brakes. Then heroically managed to hold the engine-off button in for the three seconds it takes to shut the engine off.

Wonder how he managed to do all this while talking to his lawyer on the cell-phone? I suppose we'll find out when they make the Lifetime Movie --- "My car dealer tried to kill me!"

Seriously, and especially on a car like the Prius: the brakes will override an accelerator mashed to the floor. You will get some ugly noises and a lot of burning Ferodo but you will stop.

Of course, that doesn't sound as dramatic in court when you're out to win the Litigation Lottery.
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Old 9th March 2010, 08:23 AM
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Yeah, but if he did that, he'd need all this repair work done on his car.
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Old 9th March 2010, 09:45 AM
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I was advised to put shifter in neutral (ignore racing engine) and apply brakes but NOT to turn engine off because then I lose control of power steering, braking etc.
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Old 9th March 2010, 10:14 AM
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Apparently I'm missing something here.

Isn't it obvious that putting the car into neutral and braking will slow the car down? Why are all these people (in the news) allowing the car to accelerate beyond safe speeds?
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Old 9th March 2010, 10:18 AM
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Apparently I'm missing something here.

Isn't it obvious that putting the car into neutral and braking will slow the car down? Why are all these people (in the news) allowing the car to accelerate beyond safe speeds?
To be fair, there was the suggestion that some (automatic) cars could not be taken out of gear.

The rest are no doubt pleading ignorance and going after the corporate dollar.
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Old 9th March 2010, 10:24 AM
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I'm not about to claim to have driven every car on the market, but in every automatic I have driven it's not that hard to switch from D to N. (For safety reasons you must depress the brake before shifting into and out of Park and Reverse, but all other gears can be engaged without use of brakes.)

Maybe some cars have a safety lock to prefect accidental disengagement while driving at higher speeds, but if that's the case I think the maker is making a mistake.
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Old 9th March 2010, 11:04 AM
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I'm not about to claim to have driven every car on the market, but in every automatic I have driven it's not that hard to switch from D to N. (For safety reasons you must depress the brake before shifting into and out of Park and Reverse, but all other gears can be engaged without use of brakes.)

Maybe some cars have a safety lock to prefect accidental disengagement while driving at higher speeds, but if that's the case I think the maker is making a mistake.
I'm on your side, Zeener. FWIW I have never driven an automatic that can't be taken out of D, even at full speed. But I accept that might not be universal.

As for this; "For safety reasons you must depress the brake before shifting into and out of Park and Reverse", that is definitely not universal!
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Old 9th March 2010, 03:08 PM
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I'm not about to claim to have driven every car on the market, but in every automatic I have driven it's not that hard to switch from D to N.
Ah, thanks for that. I've always driven a stick shift, but my next car is going to be an automatic. I was starting to rethink that this morning as I pondered why the guy couldn't just throw the car into neutral. Even if you supposedly can't do it, that's sure as hell what I'd be trying.

I imagine there is a lot of panic involved when your car takes off like that, though. So it's probably hard for people to think too clearly if it suddenly happens to them. Kind of like how exit doors are supposed to open out, because a panicking crowd will push into one that opens in, effectively blocking any chance of escape.
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Old 9th March 2010, 03:30 PM
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I agree that in a panic some folk may not know how to react. It's just instinctive to me, which is why I can't fathom it's not for others.
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Zeener, you should never panic until you're absolutely certain it's the right thing to do. I was laughing at the guy in California who was out of control in a Prius today; it was all over the news. He admitted he didn't even try to put the car in neutral. If I understood the report correctly, he never tried, even when the 911 operator asked him to. Sure pal, driving out of control at 90 mph is better than trying something simple. By the way, I know my Toyota (not a Prius) will shift to neutral at highway speeds; I've done it. I think it would be better to blow up the engine than die, but I guess some people disagree.

Hey Islander, do us a favor. Take your Prius out and shift to neutral while speeding out of control down some local highway. Let us know if it explodes or anything.
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Wait, this guy can call 911, but can't shift into neutral?
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Wait, this guy can call 911, but can't shift into neutral?
That's my problem! I can't text worth squat but I know how to disengage a tranny while speeding!
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I agree that in a panic some folk may not know how to react. It's just instinctive to me, which is why I can't fathom it's not for others.
Just for the record (this doesn't apply to the guy in today's incident) but I linked in another thread to some information that made me think differently about some of these cases. Some Toyota transmissions are electronically shifted. There have been reports of some cars accelerating out of control and not switching gear when 'shifted' to neutral or even reverse. In the most highly publicized case the guy probably still could have saved himself by switching the engine off but he may not have known to hold down the button for three seconds. In a panic and traveling at 120 mph I wouldn't think to do that either before all this happened. Just food for thought, I know it doesn't apply to all cases and people should still know to at least try and shift to neutral.
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Ah. Thanks HKF! I was waiting for someone to reinforce my faith in humanity, and affirm that not all of us are hopeless children when something goes wrong.

I forgot about the electronic gear shift. And it jibes with the reports of the ignition failing to respond when those hapless drivers suddenly find themselves in super-acceleration. The whole system is just buggy.
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What really stuck out in one of the reports (the one where the guy and his family are calling 911 and the tape ends with a crash) is that he was a highway patrolman who taught safe driving courses. That tape bothered me to listen to but I didn't find he sounded panicky until the end when they crashed. Disturbing stuff.

I have a list of things to make sure my kids know before leaving the house and one of them is about putting the car in neutral. Toyota will likely have their problem fixed long before they are driving but it's still good advice. I never learned it when I was starting to drive.
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Some Toyota transmissions are electronically shifted. There have been reports of some cars accelerating out of control and not switching gear when 'shifted' to neutral or even reverse.
So does anyone else see a Toyota on the street now and think, "Oh look...a metal ball of death"?

For shifting to neutral to work, you have to have enough time to do it, too. If you rapidly accelerate and crash into something before you have time to even process what's happening, no advice in the world is going to save you or others.

I'm renting a car for an upcoming vacation, and I *really* hope it's not a Toyota.
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I have a list of things to make sure my kids know before leaving the house and one of them is about putting the car in neutral. Toyota will likely have their problem fixed long before they are driving but it's still good advice. I never learned it when I was starting to drive.
[SLIGHT:hijack:] IMO the lessons well remembered are those that happen to us personally. You're doing right by telling them but until they experience it, it may not sink in. [/SLIGHT]
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I'm renting a car for an upcoming vacation, and I *really* hope it's not a Toyota.
Ask if they have any Pintos on the lot!
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[SLIGHT:hijack:] IMO the lessons well remembered are those that happen to us personally. You're doing right by telling them but until they experience it, it may not sink in. [/SLIGHT]
Absolutely. You make your own mistakes but sometimes a small mistake combined with that basic info adds up to knowledge if you know what I mean. You provide the info but they have to season it with their own life experience.

Like the time I learned why you shouldn't drive in flip-flops.

Personally, I wouldn't feel nervous about getting a Toyota as a rental or even buying one. I think the publicity magnifies the true number of problems occurring out there and masks the problems with other makes which we aren't currently hearing about. 911 tapes and mobile videos stick in your consciousness in a way that dateline episodes never could have twenty years ago.
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Old 9th March 2010, 04:23 PM
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Okay, I didn't respond to this thread immediately because I assumed that, by the time I actually saw it, Islander would already be dead and, thus, not needing my advice. Good to see she survived the ordeal.
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Ask if they have any Pintos on the lot!
Good idea! If I'm in a Pinto, I'll be *completely* safe if I'm rear-ended by a Toyota. The resulting explosion with stop the Toyota in its tracks.
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Personally, I wouldn't feel nervous about getting a Toyota as a rental or even buying one. I think the publicity magnifies the true number of problems occurring out there and masks the problems with other makes which we aren't currently hearing about. 911 tapes and mobile videos stick in your consciousness in a way that dateline episodes never could have twenty years ago.
Yeah, you're probably right. I was thinking this morning about a van that rapidly accelerated into a parade here many years ago. Shit happens sometimes, but it's rare in the larger scheme of things. I'll also be taking a train at one point, so the Amtrak derailments last month caught my eye. But that's not stopping me from getting on a train.
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Look, Monkey-boy, what's yer problem? If I say it runs on a battery AND on gas, is that not the definition of a hybrid? What part of gas-and-electric is confusing you? (And let's leave the flatulence out of this, since gentlewomen like myself — ahem — [blushes fiercely, closes parentheses]). What can I say to help un-befuzzle you?
Whoa! Alert to Uthrecht, Colonel Plink, and myself: Islander doesn't like fart jokes!

C'mon, you simmerin' cauldron of feminine loveliness, your post was a little ambiguous. But that's just the English teacher in me. Give the monkey boy a wink and let him watch you walk away.
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Yeah, really funny. Toyota lies about it's problems and you stand in line to kiss ass. At least 20% of the cars Toyota fixes are still fucking up and you bright boys go back 20 years.

Don't you belong back on the dope?
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Maybe I did not understand. Can you explain the Pinto remark?
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