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What about THE RULES HERE caused you to act a certain way, and in what way would you personally have posted differently if there were No Rules Here? What would you personally have posted if there were No Rules Here? It shouldn't be that difficult a question - I'm asking you what YOU would do and what YOU would've done, and how YOU perceive the rules affected the thread, not some amorphous "someone maybe somewhere." If you have an idea in mind that the rules prevented you from saying / doing / posting something, then I want to know exactly what you would've said / posted / done in your proposed "No Holds Barred" forum. |
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I don't care. Honestly, Pencil, I in no way intend that as a slight toward you, but I spent a decent chunk of time asking that same question of roo, and I don't think she knows the 'why' behind the way she feels; she just feels it. Reasons, actual reasons, are invented on the fly.
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Hey guys, let's create a forum where we can post whatever we like... just like in the Box, except we won't lock anyone in there.
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Try out your thought experiment. See how your behavior is in a wide-open forum. See how other people's behavior is. Go kick up your heels. |
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Let me make two requests. Please fulfill at least one of them. 1) You said you know your behaviour would change in your proposed forum. Please post here, in this thread, an example of your changed behaviour. Pretend you're responding to a past thread, if necessary. If you're worried that you will somehow get in trouble for it, because of these nebulously restricting rules here, I'll even volunteer to take the blame for it. 2) Please describe exactly what rules, specifically, are holding you back and how. You've been asked this several times by several posters. Try working with us, here. Quote:
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There was a time where there were no rules expressly codified, but Giraffe stated very early what he expected. |
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The disruption itself wouldn't happen? If the disruption wouldn't happen, explain why not. Or are you saying the disruptors wouldn't be asked to leave? Because if that's the case, then I have two questions: one, if any thread could legally be hijacked to hell and back without repercussions, why would anybody choose to post any discussion there? And two, isn't this what already happens in the Box? |
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Christ. 4 pages?
This is a board where I could post a video of me shitting in Ann Coulter's moist, trembling mouth, (and I will if you're all not careful) and get away with it. I've been on the net since 1993 and have never been part of a more welcoming, permissive and liberal community than this. Except the newsgroups. Yeah. To be fair, there's some stuff there I'm not proud of. Roo - seriously - what is it that you want to say or post here that you think you can't? Or is this a post-count land-grab? |
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That's an interesting example. I asked why a couple of threads were closed. I got a lot of push-back and told that "administrative" thread closings needed to take place. But now it's standard practice here that threads are not closed. If it was going to be standard practice anyway, why all the upset that I brought a couple to their attention? Fenris thought it was such a good idea that thread closings are not done here that he suggested it over on the SDMB. While I think it was a good idea at GB, I disagree with him that it would be a good idea at the SDMB. They have a lot of different competing interests to consider there. Quote:
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After the Roo Pit threads a while back, I did wonder if all the people expressing their unhappiness would start posting more and if more people would join them. You and FoN noted earlier in the thread that I posted in a way that you thought was suitable to your liking as to what people should post in the forum, and that I had done it for some amount of time: Quote:
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FUCK OFF, ROO. AND WHOEVER TAGGED MY MEN'S ROOM THREAD (WHERE ROO HAS NEVER POSTED) WITH "ROO IS MY HERO" CAN FUCK RIGHT OFF WITH HER. |
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So your solution is to advocate that we continue to remove rules until membership increases? And if membership doesn't increase, we remove more rules?
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And why do we need more members? I'm not saying they are not welcome but I didn't realize we were actively trying to increase the membership here. Also, there is no evidence that the reason people "left" is because of the rules. It's possible many people signed up for something new and shiny and then decided they just didn't have time for it or whatever. I don't recall anyone leaving in a huff over the rules.
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Yeah, I've seen them. I'll take care of it when I'm not someplace where naked men are frowned upon, BT.
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2. Seriously, this (see #1 above) is really how you want to spend your precious time on this earth and you don't see anything weird or wrong with it? Really? |
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Because she's a creepy stalker freak. This isn't the first time she's done this.
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I don't know whether I'm for or against what she's proposing because I don't know what the hell it is. As far as I can tell, it's a forum along the lines of Something Awful's BYOB, but attempts to clarify that get met with waffle. Someone needs to invent a Babelfish app to translate Roo-speak into plain English. |
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I don't mean to be direct, Roo. Please accept my most heartfelt apologies in advance.
I have a simple request of you. If you have the courage to reply exactly how I ask, you might be received on this issue differently than you have been so far. My request is simple, and it is a 2 step request:
You can feel free to explain why this post would not be welcome or permitted in any other forum and why we should have a new forum for this kind of posting. Now...do you have the courage or even the ability to respond? I doubt it, and I won't hold my breath...but please give it a shot! |
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Wait, are people asking Roo serious specific questions and actually expecting useful answers? Roo, whose responses to questions make Alberto "I don't recall" Gonzales look like a model of memory, clarity and details?
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Oh.......... Take this ![]() It's never been more appropriate. Congrats, Giraffe, we now have our own official nutjob, as per your request. |
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On some messageboards those forums are active enough to stand alone and have a core membership which rarely posts outside their "home" forum. On others, there's not enough activity to keep the regulars amused and so there's a lot of bleed-through to other forums. So the specific kind of no holds barred forum Roo envisages is pretty relevant here. Right now her proposal sounds like "I want to conduct a social experiment for my own amusement and see whether changing the rules here changes board culture for better or worse - and I want more posters cos this place bores me". |
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Ah, but here's your issue:
Stoid at least had all the details. She just ignored the inconvenient, case-busting ones in favor of the ones that made her feel empowered. (She also thought dogs who were fat were unhappy. Yes, that's right -- she thought dogs were sentient.) |
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"I want my own personal sandbox full of people who like me, and we play games and post fun stuff all day and it's always someone's birthday and I get the corner piece of cake and there are slides and a clown who makes balloon animals and it never rains and I never have to take a bath or brush my hair or do homework EVER YAY!" I get the feeling Roo and Pippi Longstocking would get along fabulously until Pippi got tired of Roo's passive-aggressive garbage and marooned her on a desert island her pirate father had cleared of scorpions just for her. |
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Those poor homeless scorpions!!!
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A genuine question Roo
You've raised the issue of feeling uncomfortable about taking on the mods here. Do you genuinely believe that if you were to respond in kind to the comments which Fenris or Veb have directed your way in this thread that anything "worse" than you being asked to take it to the Pit or the Box would happen?
Your extreme concern about the possibility of being Boxed or banned seems irrational to me and your request for a free for all forum seems partly to come from a wish to post without fear of sanctions. Any one of us could be Boxed or banned for what we post here, but I don't think that many of us fear it to any great extent. Clearly, you do fear it and I'm trying to understand why you fear it so much and why you need the rules to be so rigid, detailed and inflexible when so many of us regard the rules as little more than guidelines and post without that fear. |
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Could you explain that please? What exactly am I disrupting? I see you posting in a thread set up by a sock to mock this thread. Is that taking you away from something else that you wanted to be posting? Or did you feel compelled to post in this thread, and that's what's so disruptive? And what do you mean by "concerned poster"? What am I supposed to be concerned about? Victor started the concern troll meme. Here's the definition I think works in this context: Quote:
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The fun is that she hasn't specified (that I've seen, at least) how this would be different from what happens in, for example, the Box. I believe this has already been covered, but it bears repeating. She wants something new but won't say what's wrong with what we have. She's like the kid who wants a new, fancy jungle gym but isn't saying what's wrong with the current fancy jungle gym. |
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It means you should give all your monies to thren. ![]() |
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Really?
You went back 27 hours, from post #121 of a thread that now has 235 posts to argue about this? And that thread is NOT a mockery of anything. It is , in MY eyes only, an attempt to determine what would happen in a "free for all forum" like you suggest. The fact that it isn't going the way you had envisioned doesn't change that. Last edited by Dragonlady; 1st July 2010 at 08:02 PM. Reason: best use the exact right word - MOCKERY not PARODY |
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YAY! See you guys! Told you I invaded Canada!
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In fact, I'm not proposing any changes to the board as a whole. I'm was just suggesting adding another forum. Nothing else would change. That's great for you. And I'm not suggesting that we change anything about that. |
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Yes. She will be one of my right hand advisors.
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And that thread is going exactly as I envisioned. The only thing is that it's still in the Box so it still has the constraint of the general rules to it. ETA: And if anyone wants me to stop replying, then STOP POSTING TO THE THREAD! Last edited by Roo; 1st July 2010 at 08:08 PM. Reason: Stop posting, people |
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If you will tell me what it is that is going to attract Mod attention, that will cause a rules violation, or whatever it is that you're most concerned about, I'll go post it in there right now. And we can all SEE what will happen.
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