Mafia Through the Looking Glass Day One

[Rabid Renaissance]

Originally Posted by Chucara

Gr.. Why do I always take this stupid game so personally :/

Well, we do all openly mock you around the Mafia wine cooler...

[Wombat99]

Originally Posted by Rabid Renaissance

But I think you're the only one who thinks it doesn't match, unless you're talking about bold vs normal text and such, or the rest of us are going blind. What about it doesn't match?

Yes, that's what I meant. The content is the same, but the bolding is off.

[Chucara]

Isn't bolding removed when quoting?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Chucara

peeker: How do you see my current actions are scummy? Is hating Day One scummy?

As Daphne put it: "pre-emptive defeatism" is scummy.

Originally Posted by Chucara

I'm pondering a claim as my role is verifiable, and I don't have time or stamina to deal with a potential bandwagon forming on me. I'd rather leave scum guessing as to whether or not it is a good idea to kill me, but I'm willing to take advice here. As I said, I really don't have time to play Day One properly.

Haven't you just claimed scotsman? What advice are you looking for?

[Chucara]

It looks like it isn't. Removing my half-baked vote on Zeener for now.

[unvote]unvote Zeener Diode[unvote] <--- Why is this not working for me?

crys: Did you intentionally remove the bolding?

Right now, this seems very strange to me. I agree that she could be a mad bomber that needs to be lynched today. If that is the case, I'd rather lynch a third party/potential scum/unlikely townie and risk the game ending than randomly vote someone else.

[Chucara]

guiri:I haven't claimed anything yet. By context you have obviously inferred that I am not vanilla.

I'd like to know who would like to know my exact role PM, and who are happy to wait until later in the game to find out what I am. I can promise you that I can prove it eventually, although it may take several days.

[Chucara]

guiri: Again, I don't understand how I am being defeatist by respond to posts calling me out. I was asked a question, and answered truthfully. Should I have lied?

[Zeener Diode]

Help me out, people, if there's something I missed of importance:

D1.129: Lightfoot posts a list of reasons she finds crys to be scummy.

The points made don't seem to indicate scumminess on crys' part, but an attempt to coax her out a bit. I'm not a fan of using random.org but I'm not about to hold it against anyone who uses it on D1. The issue of her reply to peeker seems out of place and ought to be a non-issue. Her vote on Wombat99 is what tips Lightfoot into believing she's hiding something, and the vote soon follows.
It's a decent case but I don't see enough here to convince me the crys is scum.

D1.157: DaphneBlack comes in with the next vote on crys. She asks the Big Question: why have you claimed? crys' response: She's not of any value, i.e., a power role.
I disagree. Vanilla town are towns best defense against scum. They're the first line of defense and provide cover for power roles. They can vote as one when scum is found. They are anything but powerless.
I'm not seeing this as an omission of guilt, but rather a failure to grasp the importance of being vanilla.

D1.205: EnderBoy arrives with the third vote on crys, putting her at the top of the lynch list. His reason for his vote is because of crys' reaction to Lightfoot's questions and crys' eventual claim. It's not a sure vote (100%) but it's better than a random vote and there's nothing else going on that seems more scummy. There seems to be no concern about a mislynch occurring, and it's better to lynch a claimed VT than mislynch a power role. And then there's the mention of crys' PM, which he posted:

It seems really strange (and coincidental) that his mod PM is word for word what the sample PM was at the beginning of the game.

I don't understand. Why wouldn't the PM be the same? According to SisterMod, it's the same PM that went out to all Oysters (Vanilla Town). Why make an issue of that? Unless it's not the same as the PM he received.

I think what we have here is a clear indication of scum jumping on a bandwagon: the third vote, pushing the player to the forefront of the lynch list; the weak charge of PM tampering; the indifference of mislynching a VT. I think Enderboy is scum.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Wombat99

Yes, that's what I meant. The content is the same, but the bolding is off.

Does your PM have bolding?

[Zeener Diode]

Interesting. I see that Chucara has also voted for crys while I was composing.

Did I say interesting? I meant

[crys]

Originally Posted by Chucara

It looks like it isn't. Removing my half-baked vote on Zeener for now.

[unvote]all[unvote]

crys: Did you intentionally remove the bolding?

Right now, this seems very strange to me. I agree that she could be a mad bomber that needs to be lynched today. If that is the case, I'd rather lynch a third party/potential scum/unlikely townie and risk the game ending than randomly vote someone else.

I just quoted my pm. You guys are all nuts. I didn't alter my pm in anyway. I am town and an easy mislynch for scum because of how I chose to play......although it would be funny if I was a third party that won by getting lynched day 1.

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[guiri]

Originally Posted by Chucara

guiri:I haven't claimed anything yet. By context you have obviously inferred that I am not vanilla.

Well, a verifiable role that will leave scum guessing whether it's a good idea or not to kill you sounded pretty much like a scotsman claim.

Originally Posted by Chucara

I'd like to know who would like to know my exact role PM, and who are happy to wait until later in the game to find out what I am. I can promise you that I can prove it eventually, although it may take several days.

Well that's a magic bag (I think), leave me alive and I'll prove I am what I say I am.

Originally Posted by Chucara

guiri: Again, I don't understand how I am being defeatist by respond to posts calling me out. I was asked a question, and answered truthfully. Should I have lied?

I was referring to the "I hate Day 1" comments.

[Chucara]

Crys: My vote for you is by no means final. Obviously, I will vote you over myself, you having claimed vanilla, but I am not at all sure of anything right now. Sorry if you are town and get lynched, I know how frustrating it can be (I am frustrated for having 3 votes atm. while not in the lead).

On thing to discuss (and PLEASE don't do anything before we agree). Does anyone have bold text in their PMs?. Personally, I don't, but I am not an oyster.

If someone steps forward and has bold text, that will seal the crys vote from my end.

[peekercpa]

Originally Posted by Chucara

*sigh* I don't know how to respond to peeker, I barely understand what he is saying. I assume he is voting me.

peeker: How do you see my current actions are scummy? Is hating Day One scummy?

I'm pondering a claim as my role is verifiable, and I don't have time or stamina to deal with a potential bandwagon forming on me. I'd rather leave scum guessing as to whether or not it is a good idea to kill me, but I'm willing to take advice here. As I said, I really don't have time to play Day One properly.

my frustration is with folks that go oh noes on D1. you do realize that we lynch more scum, percentage wise on D1 than any other day (based on the weighted average of participants)? and scum seem to think that playing ignorant is a good way to justify a vote. it just raises my hackles. because you had the decency to read my post and ask for clarification i will:

unvote chupacabra

[Chucara]

Originally Posted by guiri

Well that's a magic bag (I think), leave me alive and I'll prove I am what I say I am.

<snip>

I was referring to the "I hate Day 1" comments.

I'm not sure what you mean by magic bag. But by my logic, this game can be won by people being confirmed (either by alignment and power), and if I go back on my word you can always lynch me later if you'd like. Right now, I think confirmation bias has set in, and you will see all my actions as scummy.

However, if I am to be lynched, I'll live with that. I just want people to comment on whether or not they want me to post my role BEFORE I am certain to be lynched. By this, I mean: if I don't get lynched, who is interested in seeing my role.

I do wish people would look at players who aren't making stupid posts rather than people who are. I believe you're more likely to find scum in that pile.

[crys]

Originally Posted by Chucara

Crys: My vote for you is by no means final. Obviously, I will vote you over myself, you having claimed vanilla, but I am not at all sure of anything right now. Sorry if you are town and get lynched, I know how frustrating it can be (I am frustrated for having 3 votes atm. while not in the lead).

On thing to discuss (and PLEASE don't do anything before we agree). Does anyone have bold text in their PMs?. Personally, I don't, but I am not an oyster.

If someone steps forward and has bold text, that will seal the crys vote from my end.

I don't get frustrated by people voting me. I get frustated by the same people beating one thing like a dead horse. Especially when it is a very nitpicky small item and I answer the same question with the same answer 50 million times

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[peekercpa]

Originally Posted by Chucara

Crys: My vote for you is by no means final. Obviously, I will vote you over myself, you having claimed vanilla, but I am not at all sure of anything right now. Sorry if you are town and get lynched, I know how frustrating it can be (I am frustrated for having 3 votes atm. while not in the lead).

On thing to discuss (and PLEASE don't do anything before we agree). Does anyone have bold text in their PMs?. Personally, I don't, but I am not an oyster.

If someone steps forward and has bold text, that will seal the crys vote from my end.

i've got bold in mine. i won't totally quote but it was pretty close to: "stop fucking around and play the game".

not in the initial pm but in subsequent conversations.

does that help?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Chucara

On thing to discuss (and PLEASE don't do anything before we agree). Does anyone have bold text in their PMs?. Personally, I don't, but I am not an oyster.

Are you suggesting that we should discuss whether to state that our PM includes bold text or not but you already have and, furthermore, if anyone claims to have bold text, crys should die?

I'd like to hear Wombat's reply first.

[Chucara]

Damn you peeker. Reading your posts is like reading German - I had it in high school that I haven't used it for years, so I have to read it 4 times to understand what you're saying.

Read one: I thought you told ME to stop fucking around.
Read two: You have bold in your original PM.
Read three: You didn't have bold in your original PM, and you were making a joke.

No, that didn't help, but I find you very entertaining.

[peekercpa]

[QUOTE=Chucara;896690]

Originally Posted by guiri

Well that's a magic bag (I think), leave me alive and I'll prove I am what I say I am

<snip>

I was referring to the "I hate Day 1" comments.

I'm not sure what you mean by magic bag. But by my logic, this game can be won by people being confirmed (either by alignment and power),QUOTE]

<snipped>

please stop this. we went down this path a while back and it was full of sorrow and laziness. we lost of really good players. please stay on tack. if there is a logic hole then attack, if not back away.

and now i will be the total richard that i am. if you have found a way to break the game do it now. i figured it out years ago on a sach game and he was irritated that i waited so long to bring it on. he was pissed but gave me some sort of kudos for figuring it out.

[peekercpa]

neta: and i am sure that the tags are like totally wonky on that last post. think of it as sudoku.

[DaphneBlack]

Peeker, I've lost ya. What are you saying to guiri there?

[Swammerdami]

Originally Posted by Zeener Diode

I think what we have here is a clear indication of scum jumping on a bandwagon...

I agree that the votes against crys may be weakly judged. But wouldn't Scum prefer to misLynch an unknown Townie rather than claimed Vanilla?

I conclude therefore that either the votes against crys are mostly are all Townies or a real Scum seemed under Lynch pressure so Scum scrambled to create a counter-bandwagon.

But the player who was Lynch leader when the allegedly suspicious vote against Crys was made was ... you, Zeener Diode, yourself!

My conclusion, therefore is that -- unless some wild bussing ploy is underway -- Zeener, Crys, and the Crys voters are all more likely than random to be Town.

[Chucara]

Peeker: Last post did not compute. I don't have a way to breaking the game, if that is what you are asking. I'd rather not give to many details to scum, other than what I have already stated.. My power is semi-confirmable, and I'd rather leave scum guessing as to what it is.

It's 1:00 AM so I'm off to bed. On the up side, being voted for made Day One interesting again

[Polluxo]

Originally Posted by Septimus

@ Polluxo - can you explain your vote?

Sure. The way I see it, Pizza explained his rationale to Flying Squid: namely, he and crys' method of voting had no reasoning but they fully explained what they were doing in the process. Squid was then "inventing" a reason to be suspicious of crys and pizzaguy's random voting, which he pointed out as what he felt as scummy behavior. I tend to agree with him on that point: scum will often latch on to something that is not the norm and poke at it, trying to make it a bigger deal than it really is (something I think I am seeing with people's dogpile on crys' random vote and behavior).

Scathach, then, came in with this post:

Originally Posted by Scathach

Bah. No reasons are better than weak reasons? Colour me

Which struck me as a deliberate misinterpretation of what pizzaguy was trying to articulate. He's not saying no reasons are better than weak reasons, he's saying scum like to invent reasons to put targets on people to look like they're good townie, while actual townies are more likely to try something outside the norm; a random vote, etc. because going outside the box draws attention to themselves; something scum don't want.

I don't like how Squid approached it initially, but Scathach's post struck me as smudgey and trying to misinterpret pizza on purpose. So I followed up behind pizza's vote because I wanted to see how scathach reacted. It was the best use of my vote at the time. Scathach's reaction to the votes left me lukewarm. I'm not convinced of complete innocence of his statement, but I'm almost assuredly going to be moving my vote somewhere else for now.

Originally Posted by Chucara

Truth be told, I'd rather just avoid Day One altogether, as I have absolutely no idea how to play it. Everyone seems to be coming with half-baked reasons for voting, and talking about stuff that will have absolutely no bearing on the game. (This is on a criticism of the players, I think it is just the way it is on Day One)

NYEEEARRRGHHHHH. I hate the typical "We never get anything done on Day One! We have nothing to analyze!" statement. It comes up nearly every time we have a "standard" game with no rule variations to discuss. Scum have been found on Day One. You just have to look and pay attention! Who is being half-baked, and who is being purposefully baked and trying to look like a town? Scum are tryhards, townies are blowhards.

Okay that last part got away from me a little.

Originally Posted by Chucara

Right now, this seems very strange to me. I agree that she could be a mad bomber that needs to be lynched today. If that is the case, I'd rather lynch a third party/potential scum/unlikely townie and risk the game ending than randomly vote someone else.

Where did the mad bomber thing come from? Seems like you pulled that out of thin air.

Originally Posted by Chucara

guiri:I haven't claimed anything yet. By context you have obviously inferred that I am not vanilla.

I'd like to know who would like to know my exact role PM, and who are happy to wait until later in the game to find out what I am. I can promise you that I can prove it eventually, although it may take several days.

No. You didn't need to state anything like that. People are too quick to pull the claim trigger when they get a few votes on them. If you're not lynched, you'll have a target on your back from scum no matter what now.

Originally Posted by crys

I just quoted my pm. You guys are all nuts. I didn't alter my pm in anyway. I am town and an easy mislynch for scum because of how I chose to play......although it would be funny if I was a third party that won by getting lynched day 1.

You're an easy mislynch because every time you post, all you're doing is saying how wrong somebody is to be voting for you and what a mistake it is for you to be lynched. If proving people wrong is more important to you than winning, fine, continue your current tactic and you'll probably end up lynched. You're not helping town by insulting people when they vote for you or are suspicious of you. Instead, start trying to build cases on other people. If you're not scum, who is?

Also, Jester is a role Sis listed wasn't in the game. Stinky eye at anybody who uses that as a reason to vote or not vote someone.

Originally Posted by Zeener Diode

I don't understand. Why wouldn't the PM be the same? According to SisterMod, it's the same PM that went out to all Oysters (Vanilla Town). Why make an issue of that? Unless it's not the same as the PM he received.

I think what we have here is a clear indication of scum jumping on a bandwagon: the third vote, pushing the player to the forefront of the lynch list; the weak charge of PM tampering; the indifference of mislynching a VT. I think Enderboy is scum.

Most importantly, I agree with the case Zeener put forward. EnderBoy's vote on crys was niggling me for some reason and he hit the nail on the head. As soon as I read this a little light bulb went off. Ding! Seems like he was trying to follow on a bandwagon and start something, but use his own justifications to make it seem more solid.

[peekercpa]

Originally Posted by Chucara

Peeker: Last post did not compute. I don't have a way to breaking the game, if that is what you are asking. I'd rather not give to many details to scum, other than what I have already stated.. My power is semi-confirmable, and I'd rather leave scum guessing as to what it is.

It's 1:00 AM so I'm off to bed. On the up side, being voted for made Day One interesting again

as i already think i stated i hosed the tags.

and i go off into lala metagame land. guir is probably the most feared player i am aware of. the other is bill but folks have a tendency to kill him off early. his last post made the machines start cycling heavily for an incoming.

[Colby11]

Originally Posted by Chucara

It looks like it isn't. Removing my half-baked vote on Zeener for now.

[unvote]unvote Zeener Diode[unvote] <--- Why is this not working for me?

crys: Did you intentionally remove the bolding?

Right now, this seems very strange to me. I agree that she could be a mad bomber that needs to be lynched today. If that is the case, I'd rather lynch a third party/potential scum/unlikely townie and risk the game ending than randomly vote someone else.

Your unvote isn't working because it should be like this [unvote] Unvote said player [ / unvote] (minus the spaces)

Or put a / in front of the unvote on the second part of the unvote script

[Rabid Renaissance]

Originally Posted by Septimus

But wouldn't Scum prefer to misLynch an unknown Townie rather than claimed Vanilla?

You know what they say about assumptions...

This is not an assumption I'd be inclined to make myself, especially this early in the game. I think scum are just pretty much happy so long as one of them doesn't end up taking a short drop and a sudden stop.

As such I'm not really inclined to partake in any of your analysis based on that assumption.

[Wombat99]

Originally Posted by guiri

Are you suggesting that we should discuss whether to state that our PM includes bold text or not but you already have and, furthermore, if anyone claims to have bold text, crys should die?

I'd like to hear Wombat's reply first.

I'd prefer not to reveal anything about my PM at the moment, thanks. But ok, let's take the PM issue off the table. The fact remains that Crys is unable or unwilling to answer simple, direct questions about why she is doing what she is doing, preferring instead to talk about players nitpicking her and all that. But I suppose I've got my (non)-answer from Crys as to my questions, so I'm letting it drop and as things stand, I won't be voting for her.

I'm also noting that you were successfully able to steer the discussion away from Crys's actions and onto discussion of bold vs non-bold PMs, and I'm wondering why you would do that.

[Swammerdami]

Originally Posted by Polluxo

... Which struck me as a deliberate misinterpretation of what pizzaguy was trying to articulate. He's not saying no reasons are better than weak reasons, he's saying scum like to invent reasons to put targets on people to look like they're good townie, while actual townies are more likely to try something outside the norm; a random vote, etc. because going outside the box draws attention to themselves; something scum don't want.

I see Scathach's comment as a simple reaction, for which I have sympathy: reasons stimulate discussion even if they're poor reasons; random.org doesn't. Call the comment an oversimplification, but if it were a deliberate Smudge I think she would have put more effort behind it.

I don't have a strong Scum sense from you, and would be happy to move my vote. However the other cases also seem poor, for reasons I've mentioned.

BTW, "actual townies are more likely to try something [like] a random vote" doesn't convince me at all. I think Scum is quite apt to do such a thing, at least on Day 1, just to appear "normal."

[crys]

Originally Posted by Polluxo

Sure. The way I see it, Pizza explained his rationale to Flying Squid: namely, he and crys' method of voting had no reasoning but they fully explained what they were doing in the process. Squid was then "inventing" a reason to be suspicious of crys and pizzaguy's random voting, which he pointed out as what he felt as scummy behavior. I tend to agree with him on that point: scum will often latch on to something that is not the norm and poke at it, trying to make it a bigger deal than it really is (something I think I am seeing with people's dogpile on crys' random vote and behavior).

Scathach, then, came in with this post:



Which struck me as a deliberate misinterpretation of what pizzaguy was trying to articulate. He's not saying no reasons are better than weak reasons, he's saying scum like to invent reasons to put targets on people to look like they're good townie, while actual townies are more likely to try something outside the norm; a random vote, etc. because going outside the box draws attention to themselves; something scum don't want.

I don't like how Squid approached it initially, but Scathach's post struck me as smudgey and trying to misinterpret pizza on purpose. So I followed up behind pizza's vote because I wanted to see how scathach reacted. It was the best use of my vote at the time. Scathach's reaction to the votes left me lukewarm. I'm not convinced of complete innocence of his statement, but I'm almost assuredly going to be moving my vote somewhere else for now.



NYEEEARRRGHHHHH. I hate the typical "We never get anything done on Day One! We have nothing to analyze!" statement. It comes up nearly every time we have a "standard" game with no rule variations to discuss. Scum have been found on Day One. You just have to look and pay attention! Who is being half-baked, and who is being purposefully baked and trying to look like a town? Scum are tryhards, townies are blowhards.

Okay that last part got away from me a little.



Where did the mad bomber thing come from? Seems like you pulled that out of thin air.



No. You didn't need to state anything like that. People are too quick to pull the claim trigger when they get a few votes on them. If you're not lynched, you'll have a target on your back from scum no matter what now.



You're an easy mislynch because every time you post, all you're doing is saying how wrong somebody is to be voting for you and what a mistake it is for you to be lynched. If proving people wrong is more important to you than winning, fine, continue your current tactic and you'll probably end up lynched. You're not helping town by insulting people when they vote for you or are suspicious of you. Instead, start trying to build cases on other people. If you're not scum, who is?

Also, Jester is a role Sis listed wasn't in the game. Stinky eye at anybody who uses that as a reason to vote or not vote someone.

Most importantly, I agree with the case Zeener put forward. EnderBoy's vote on crys was niggling me for some reason and he hit the nail on the head. As soon as I read this a little light bulb went off. Ding! Seems like he was trying to follow on a bandwagon and start something, but use his own justifications to make it seem more solid.

I don't remember insulting anyone....but I might have I did say you people were crazy, but in my world that isn't usually an insult. If I did truly insult someone I apologize, but once I hit the frustration mark, my language filter goes completely out the window......(not that it is very good in the first place mind you.)

[crys]

Originally Posted by Wombat99

I've been going back and forth on Crys. I'm familiar with her habit of unforced claims, but this feels different to me. Something's up. She wants to get lynched and I want to know why.

Crys : This is what I would like to know, plain and simple:

When you decided to

- claim vanilla with a pm that doesn't match the one posted in the rules thread

- throw out a random vote and keep it there despite being questioned on it

- provoke players into voting for you, with posts such as

and



- refer to 6 peeker posts dinging your device when there were actually 3

- refer to your "team"

- and generally avoid responding to questions other than to say, I'm VT and you'll regret it when I flip Town?

what was your intent? What did you expect to happen, and how did you intend for it to benefit Town?

On claiming vt with a pm that doesn't match the rules thread the only answer to that is I claimed with the pm I received not with the one from the rules thread.

As far as the random vote I feel you are being a tad hypocritical there......but what I didn't tell you guys about the random.org vote is that I actually used a badger 5 mock up lottery drawing and changed it so that it drew from 5 numbers from 22. I chose the least active player from that list at that time and it was wombat99. I didn't feel then and I don't feel now that I had to really go into depth on my methodology. I guess I was wrong about that.

At the point I was provoking players I was already frustrated and my language filter was *poof* gone. I don't get upset or offended because I get votes I do get irritated when the same speck of information is hammered into the ground until it is unrecognizable.

I'm not here to really worry about how many posts there were and how many my 3 devices dinged...ok really not important it was a joke...let it go.

Town is a team right?....when I flip VT I would expect them to take a closer look at some that voted me to see if scum were hiding in there, which I am sure there are.

I'm ignoring your last bullet point because it will be bundled up into intent.


My intent with the random.org was to vote. I knew that I would get some heat for it I was expecting it. I got frustrated because it was getting beaten like a dead horse which frustrates me. I always attempt to be clear, however in text it is harder to know what the author's tone actually means. After wards my actions brought lots of talking, lots of people hashing things out and some possible scummy scum to light. I am not saying everyone that has voted me is town, but I am sure there is at least one scum hiding in there.

With that

I feel that of those voting me there is at least one scum. Daphne really does ping me some with that me too vote of hers (that might not be the actual case, but it does seem so to me)

I think my vote is best placed



I do agree with Zeener's case, and I kinda sorta hinted at all that with my other post but I am not the best at building cases I would imagine that comes with practice.

[oog] I have played all kinds of games like table top RPG's, Live action RPG's, video games MMORPG's and none are like this mafia stuff...maybe cause its all text based it gives me such a challenge or something.[/oog]

[Wombat99]

Thanks, crys, I appreciate your response and your observations.

[LightFoot]

crys

Is this a CYA vote or did you really think enders post and vote was Scummy?

You say the Daphne pings you

But you vote ender to tie the vote

Be honest

[EnderBoy]

Well this has certainly been an interesting turn of events. I leave work with no votes and check in this evening tied for vote leader.

Zeener Diode, for the record, you actually make some interesting points in your analysis in post 308. I disagree with some, though. For instance, you argue (ostensibly on behalf of DaphneBlack), that Crys is mistaken in assuming that vanilla towns are powerless. You're right, they're not. But HIDDEN vanilla towns can be powerful. Open ones...they lose a lot of power. And I'm always left wondering (as I still am right now) if the claim is only being made so we'll leave her alone.
Let's face facts. It was a strange claim. She had, what? 1? Maybe 2 votes with like 3 days to go and 22 players playing? Hardly under the gun there. And it served no purpose. If anything, it was the very thing to cause me to vote for her.

So what about my vote then? I'm looking at the vote record. At the time of my vote we had 2 whole days left to play Day 1 and half the game hadn't even put a vote in. Yet my vote was the opportunistic bandwagon jumper? That doesn't make sense.

But while I can at least respect your vote because you did seem to put thought and analysis into it...along comes Polluxo and crys(!) of all people whose votes both boil down to "boo! no bandwagons! vote Ender!"

And *I'm* being accused of bandwagon jumping?

Oh, and because I feel obligated to throw it out there for whatever good it will do: I'm town.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Okay here's my take on the Crys thing.....

Crys is becoming the new Pleo with the D1 claiming. I don't understand why she claimed mad bomber in the last game. I don't understand why she claimed VT this game, but she was ultra truthful (although no one gave her credit for it) in the last game, so while she is pinging me to death for the claiming and the random vote, I kind of believe her VT claim and I'm willing to let her slide for the moment.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Giraffe, Yes I'm sorry I have been half lurking/half MIA. I need to sit down and take some good notes, because I'm skimming over things here, and feel a bit lost. I have some IRL reasons for being MIA, and in my brief spare time I'm trying to catch up. I'm hoping by the weekend, I can get some time to do just that. So please forgive me for that.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Okay here's my take on the Crys thing.....

Crys is becoming the new Pleo with the D1 claiming. I don't understand why she claimed mad bomber in the last game. I don't understand why she claimed VT this game, but she was ultra truthful (although no one gave her credit for it) in the last game, so while she is pinging me to death for the claiming and the random vote, I kind of believe her VT claim and I'm willing to let her slide for the moment.

You can admit- though- that claiming an odd mad bomber thing- when you are- is quite different from claiming VT when you have no pressure?

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Of course they are completely different scenerios. But she claimed the Mad Bomber thing under no pressure, and it caused her a lot of drama. I wouldn't have claimed it at all. Just like as others have said, I probably wouldn't make the choice to hard claim VT either, because you are giving Power roles less places to hide in the mix. (as others have said)

[EnderBoy]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Okay here's my take on the Crys thing.....

Crys is becoming the new Pleo with the D1 claiming. I don't understand why she claimed mad bomber in the last game. I don't understand why she claimed VT this game, but she was ultra truthful (although no one gave her credit for it) in the last game, so while she is pinging me to death for the claiming and the random vote, I kind of believe her VT claim and I'm willing to let her slide for the moment.

That's fair. But I've never played with her or anyone on this board. Except for one or two people on another board I have no history with anyone, good or bad. I can only go with what's been written here and now in this game. So, to me, she doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

And for the record before ANYONE jumps on my OMG I'm skimming statement....

I'm reading every post, but I'm not committing them to memory like I would if I had time to read and re-read every post.
I'm NOT re-reading because I don't feel like I need to pay attention. It's actually annoying me that I'm in the position I am in right now, and I NEED to make time tomorrow to catch up. So yeah, just wanted to clarify before I get jumped on.

[Chucara]

Attempt to fix my vote:


At work, will try to be back later today.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by peekercpa

[...]his last post made the machines start cycling heavily for an incoming.

I was paraphrasing Chucara, not implying that I'd found a way to break the game .

Originally Posted by Wombat99

I'm also noting that you were successfully able to steer the discussion away from Crys's actions and onto discussion of bold vs non-bold PMs, and I'm wondering why you would do that.

Initially I thought you may have noticed something damning so I asked what you'd seen - others had pointed out that it was the same as the sample one - and then, when you confirmed it was just the missing bolding and crys had intentionally posted a non-matching PM in order to attract votes, I asked you if your own PM had the same issue as I figured it was a null-tell.

[Scáthach]

Is Day ending today? I need to catch up but I can't do it til I'm home from work?

[crys]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

crys

Is this a CYA vote or did you really think enders post and vote was Scummy?

You say the Daphne pings you

But you vote ender to tie the vote

Be honest

To be honest any vote I would make be a save my own ass vote. No one wants to die day 1. However I had posted previously that I also didn't like enders vote also

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[guiri]

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

Day One begins now. It will end on Friday, November 30 at noon Pacific Time.

I think that leaves just over 6 hours in the Day.

Originally Posted by [tweaked]Vote Counting Robot

Enderboy (3): Zeener Diode (308), Polluxo (325), crys (332)
Crys (3): LightFoot (129), DaphneBlack (157), EnderBoy (205)

Polluxo (2): Suburban Plankton (113), Septimus (282)

Scathach (1): Askthepizzaguy (209), Polluxo (212)[325]
Chucara (1): guiri (289)
Daphneblack (1): Rabid Renaissance (166)
Wombat99 (1): crys (80)[332], Flying Squid with Goggles (254)
Dizzymrslizzy (1): Giraffe (281)
Septimus (1): Inner Stickler (238)

Rabid Renaissance (0): Giraffe (65)[116]
Zeener Diode (0): Scathach (55)[280], Chucara (133)[342]
Flying Squid With Goggles (0): Zeener Diode (278)[308]
Chupacabra (0): peekercpa (296)[314]
Giraffe (0): Askthepizzaguy (20)[209]
Guiri (0): peekercpa (293)[296]
Inner Stickler (0): Giraffe (131)[281]
Gnarlycharlie (0): Flying Squid with Goggles (105)[203]

Non voters (8): Gnarlycharlie, Wombat99, Peeker, Colby, ValSalva, Chucara, Dizzy & Scathach

8 non-voters, 6 one-off voters and the lynch leaders are tied on 3 votes apiece.

Wombat, are you afraid to vote Crys?
Colby, have you decided yet?
Suburban, are you keeping your vote on Polluxo?
Giraffe, are you just voting lurkers toDay?
ValSalva, are you following along in silence?
Zeener, what happened between your #277 (and #278) and #308?

I'm not convinced of the case against Crys. Zeener's change of heart gives me pause about the case on Ender.

[peekercpa]

Originally Posted by guiri

I was paraphrasing Chucara, not implying that I'd found a way to break the game .

Initially I thought you may have noticed something damning so I asked what you'd seen - others had pointed out that it was the same as the sample one - and then, when you confirmed it was just the missing bolding and crys had intentionally posted a non-matching PM in order to attract votes, I asked you if your own PM had the same issue as I figured it was a null-tell.

ok. i misunderstood (as usual) you. but i do stand by the observation that you are a scary good player. heh heh.

[Zeener Diode]

Originally Posted by guiri

Zeener, what happened between your #277 (and #278) and #308?

I'm not convinced of the case against Crys. Zeener's change of heart gives me pause about the case on Ender.

Are you implying that I finally knuckled down and started searching for scum?

In a sense, yes. I was frustrated about not being able to see any discrepancies in posts that might indicate shadiness on the part of the poster. I had time to go back and re-read the (then) current posts, and I focused on the case regarding crys. I wasn't feeling compelled to vote her, so I looked at what her accusers (Lightfoot, Daphne, and EnderBoy) were saying about her. Lightfoot made probably the best argument against her, but it rested on crys making a lot of fluffy posts yet nothing pinged me as scummy. Daphne seemed to be interested in why crys would claim so quickly, and decided to apply pressure with Lightfoot. Others chimed in with their concerns and two cents, and there was discussion about a reply crys made to peeker re: her cell blowing up (I'm paraphrasing). The more I read the less I became convinced crys was anything but a panicky townie. In past games I've been quick, maybe too quick, to attack this type of player and learn they flip town after we lynch them. Then EnderBoy arrived with his vote. There was something about it that pinged me as I read and re-read it: it seemed convenient. It was a third vote, with anticipation of more votes to follow: that's very convenient for scum. And the questions regarding PM formatting appeared directed at the rest of us in general: what were our PMs, and how would they differ? It could be an honest inquiry designed to ferret out players who may have "cover" PMs, or an attempt to uncover other townies with non-vanilla roles (one player, to my chagrin, has admitted to this). I'm leaning toward the latter in this gambit, and leaning toward scum on EnderBoy.

[peekercpa]

valsalva

i don't really get the cases on the top two. and while lynching lurkers is a touch too early might as well get rid of a non participant (and i do believe there is a distinction).

[Zeener Diode]

SisterMod has means of dealing with non-participants:

Non-participants will get one Final Vote per day of non-participation; Final Votes may not be removed under any circumstances, carry from Day to Day and are cumulative. Please don't sign up if you don't intend to play