Masks at Midnight - Day 2

[guiri]

@Mahaloth please see Pleo’s post post #38.

If you agree with the plan, please select which of TexCat or Raventhief, or propose another player, to nominate Bashorian. We can use the Child’s power to catch a scum as outlined in Pleo’s post. Once you select a player, they will have 12 hours to nominate, or else they will be nominated.

[Bashorian Clement]

Assuming either texcat or raventhief nominates me and dies the day continues right. So who should next be nominated. So we don't waste time.

[guiri]

The other one.

[guiri]

And it’s Lightfoot, not Texcat, my bad.

[guiri]

By my calculation we have about 72 hours left in the Day.

I propose the following: Mahaloth to decide which player (Lightfoot, Raven or someone else) should nominate Bashorian by 2pm today. If he doesn’t get back, maybe Pleo can choose instead.

The chosen player has until 8pm today to nominate, otherwise anyone can just nominate that player, and hope we can muster up 6 votes over the following 24 hours, or 6 exonerations if that player has a really really good reason to be left alive. If there’s a vig, they may want to use their power so we can move on to the next nomination candidate and try again.

[Pleonast]

At this point, I'll take any plan that moves the game forward. I'm going to switch over to post-game analysis.

I think this game is an interesting experiment (and I've run my share of experimental rules), but players here are too cautious to handle this low level of information and too contrarian to meet the majority-vote execution requirement. It's hard enough to get a majority under normal conditions (and even with multi-vote it doesn't often happen), but the lack of information has put players into a "wait and see" mode that will inevitably lead to a Scum win by default.

It's like my Wheel of Life mafia. Players could foresee that cautious play would lead to an everyone-loses stalemate. And yet they still played cautiously. So everyone lost.

[Bicycle Repair Man]

I am concerned about waiting for Mahaloth, who is often a low volume poster.

[guiri]

Yes, so Pleo can be backup at 2pm ET, @ mention the player chosen to nominate, and we wait till 8pm. Then the game just has to move on.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

It's like my Wheel of Life mafia. Players could foresee that cautious play would lead to an everyone-loses stalemate. And yet they still played cautiously. So everyone lost.

I chose not to play Wheel, because it did look complicated.

I was drawn into this, because of the allure of all of the interaction. I guess I based most of that on, formal and actual "normal" reveals. My bad on that.

I tried to do a thing, with the Wine and Cork DMs . Now, even more so, if we are treating this game, in as much, as already lost, I am glad I did something with the "extras" we got in this game.

I'd like to think that it did confirm Pleonast and Guiri and if it didn't, at least I got out of the starting gate, in this new rule-set, regardless.

I am doing what I can, and as always, I feel it is never enough, either by what I do and do not carry and take on .... and what others I play with, take, and do not take on.


I'm just not sure where to put all of that.

[Meeko]

Pleo and Guiri.

Sorry, did you need smoething else from me here? Do we need to discuss Do you need me to vote for soemeone voting?

[guiri]

Are you OK with the plan? Do you have any other candidates you’d like Mahaloth to consider? I included TexCat and Mordenkainen as options. I realise that the mod won’t have made the game so easy to solve if we simply trust the first claimants but we also need vote records and some discussion. Follow the leader rarely works here, something about herding sheep…

[Pleonast]

Okay, then.

@raventhief, please nominate Bashorian Clement for execution within 6 hours.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

Let's figure out the details.

1. Mahaloth chooses one of raventhief, LightFoot as the suspected "witch".
2. Moderator opens up nominations.
3. The chosen "witch" has 12 hours to officially nominate and vote for Bashorian Clement.

Case A:
4A. The "witch" does so and dies. Sorry, about that, you were innocent, but we have two confirmed Town.
5A. We all vote to absolve Bashorian Clement.
6A. Anyone nominates the other one.
7A. We all vote to execute that one.

Case B.
4B. The "witch" does so and does not die. You are guilty, Scum! (Or, Child is Patsy, Publicized, or a liar.)
5B. We all vote to absolve Bashorian Clement.
6B. Anyone nominates the "witch".
7B. We all vote to execute them.

Case C.
4C. The "witch" refuses to do so. Not a team player, time to die.
5C. Anyone nominates the refusenik.
6C. We all vote to execute them.

OK, I'm in. Want me to pick?

[guiri]

Pleo already picked Raventhief, let’s go with that option.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by guiri

Pleo already picked Raventhief, let’s go with that option.

I would have as well.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I would have as well.

I picked raventhief because that nomination got cut off early by end of Day.

[TexCat]

How long do we wait for raventhief?

[guiri]

8pm ET, then anyone can nominate her and voting starts.

[raventhief]

So once I nominate Bash, the child is essentially vanilla.

[raventhief]

[Bashorian Clement]

I think that's correct. If you're town.

[Bashorian Clement]

Child - The first time you are nominated, if the player who nominated you is a townsfolk they will be executed immediately.

Let's not waste time.

[TexCat]

@mod Are you here and is anyone dead?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by raventhief

So once I nominate Bash, the child is essentially vanilla.

IF we have a child and
iF BC is same yes
reading ahead..
You were not hit by a bolt but
Immediately may be Mod time zone specific I will wait a bit

[Bashorian Clement]

Everyone still needs to vote absolve. The trigger was pulled.

[LightFoot]

I am not tracking as well as like I would like
IF raven is Scum they are not dead [yet]
IF Town they will be Mod smitten

Right?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Everyone still needs to vote absolve. The trigger was pulled.

without hitting the threshold I think you are OK??

There is Time

or did I miss something

[Bicycle Repair Man]

Originally Posted by TexCat

@mod Are you here and is anyone dead?

I second this question. I would settle for a "No Comment."

[Bashorian Clement]

If the deal is we count on non-votes, that's fine but I don't know whether it says something about the game or about the players.

[Bicycle Repair Man]

.

If raventhief is not dead, this seems right. We expel raventhief and deal with the Bashorian lie/Patsy possibility toMorrow. If raventhief is dead, then certainly this is right.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

without hitting the threshold I think you are OK??

There is Time

or did I miss something

Thing is the reason I said we shouldn't waste time is we can absolve this now and then nominate someone else to get in another bite at the apple before Day end or we just delay and maybe miss that opportunity.

[Bicycle Repair Man]

I think we need to absolve Bashorian and with haste, then nominate and convict raventhief.

[guiri]

Vote Absolve Bashorian

[Red Skeezix]

Originally Posted by TexCat

@mod Are you here and is anyone dead?

No comment.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Red Skeezix

No comment.

And to think, I was going to comment that I had no idea what was going on, really.


And I think, this, above, just sent all the rest of you to that point, as well.

On a serious note, if I didn't vote or whatever, I obviously don't need to unvote now. Right?

---

Half joking, but not really.

I mean, might I suggest, that we have to meet this WTF with our own WTFness.


Short of that, I'm now doubly sure, that I am not sure of anything.

[guiri]

has the 24 hour timer kicked off?

[guiri]

Meeko, if Bashorian truly is the child and Raventhief did not die immediately upon nominating him, we can deduce that Raven is scum and so you should vote to absolve Bashorian asap so we can nominate Raventhief and execute her.

The only way Raventhief is Town is if Bashorian is not the Child, which has a non-zero probability but lower than Raventhief being scum in my opinion.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

without hitting the threshold I think you are OK??

There is Time

or did I miss something

Why not vote to absolve? Why wait? What do you expect to see?

[Pleonast]

We can do this again Tomorrow with LightFoot. And every Day until we hit Town.

[guiri]

The child power only works for the first nomination, I understood.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by guiri

Why not vote to absolve? Why wait? What do you expect to see?

I was looking at the fact that the mod had not responded and there was not a majority here commenting last night
I was tthinking an unvote was permanent

BC understandby waanted the nomination removed but there was time for the mod to respond nd for the rest of tthe bunch to arrive

tired humans do not express themseves clearly at all

[TexCat]

I am killing raventhief.

[TexCat]

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by guiri

The child power only works for the first nomination, I understood.

You are correct. I missed the first clause.

[Bicycle Repair Man]

That is six absolves, right? Enough to pass the motion.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I was looking at the fact that the mod had not responded and there was not a majority here commenting last night

I was tthinking an unvote was permanent



BC understandby waanted the nomination removed but there was time for the mod to respond nd for the rest of tthe bunch to arrive



tired humans do not express themseves clearly at all

I wanted absolved asap, not just absolved. If done quickly enough we can get or could have gotten two eliminations done Today instead of one I believe. Unless the Day ends after the first but I don't think that's true.

[guiri]

The Day ends immediately upon execution, so no chance to have two, but certainly getting the absolution out of the way opens the path to a new nomination and time to get 6 votes.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by TexCat

I am killing raventhief.

Can we get an action or no comment on this post?

[Pleonast]

If the vig fails, we should nominate and execute raventhief. I think a majority of us can agree on that.

If the vig succeeds, I say we should nominate and execute LightFoot. Who supports that, and who opposes? And if you oppose, name a specific player you want to nominate instead.

[guiri]

Today is the day the mod said he’d have limited or no availability.

Originally Posted by Red Skeezix

In addition, I have been selected for some unexpected work travel over the next few days, which has created some conflicts around the game schedule.
The maximum length of day 2 will be elongated by 1 day. The Day will run from 16-Oct-2022 - 8:00 pm ET -> 20 Oct 2022 - 8:00 pm ET, as the 19th is an all day airport and flying day for me. It will be difficult for close the day / tally votes / etc on the 19th. I apologize for any confusion or inconvenience this causes, but I must do the needful.

I suggest we assume:
- Bashorian’s nomination was successful (despite the wording in Raven’s nomination)
- Raven was not automatically executed for nominating the child
- Bashorian’s been correctly absolved
- TexCat’s order will be processed in due time

So we can move ahead with nominating someone else.

Since TexCat’s given me good reason to reconsider wanting to execute her, I’m good with Lightfoot or Mordenkainen.

ToMorrow might be fun if any or all of the assumptions prove wrong.