Masks at Midnight - Day 2

[Red Skeezix]

The sun rises a second time over the secluded chapel. Birdsong rings through the valley. A grisly scene awaits out guests. Mahaloth is dead. They lie dead on the floor at the bottom of the stairs to the belfry. It appears that it might be accidental until the seven inch blade protruding from their spine is discovered.

Player Roster:

1. Meeko
2. Mahaloth
3. guiri
4. Colby11
5. Bashorian Clement
6. Bicycle Repair Man
7. TexCat
8. raventhief
9. Pleonast
10. Mordenkainen
11. Lightfoot

Mahaloth is dead.

10 living players remain.

Reminder to the dead: You have precisely 1 vote remaining for the rest of the game. If you cast that vote, regardless of how the nomination goes, that is the last vote you cast.

Day 2 will end when either a player has been executed or 8pm ET on 10/20/2022.

The number of votes required to close a nomination today is 6.

Please note there is an error in the originally posted rules. I had revised them but not saved the revision, so when I had originally posted them they were incorrect. Please see the correction below. I am not able to edit the original rules post at this time. I apologize for any confusion that this may cause.

• If the number of votes cast to execute a player is greater than 50% of the number of living players the nomination will resolve immediately.
• If the number of votes cast to absolve a player is greater than 50% of the number of living players the nomination will resolve immediately.

[Mahaloth]

That's a shame. I did not receive results, so I presume my power is gone now and I am just a vanilla dead-townie with one vote. So it goes.

I'll still play, of course, but not sure when I'll vote.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

That's a shame. I did not receive results, so I presume my power is gone now and I am just a vanilla dead-townie with one vote. So it goes.

I'll still play, of course, but not sure when I'll vote.

if your role reads like the rules it states "while alive" so yea

[LightFoot]

another example of why the must claim idea was flawed required more thought

[Bicycle Repair Man]

This result would seem to imply Mahaloth is truly the Seer giving accurate N0 results. Why kill him if his results are/were skewed? Even more positive points for Meeko and guiri. They are neither likely at all to be Cult Leader.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bicycle Repair Man

This result would seem to imply Mahaloth is truly the Seer giving accurate N0 results. Why kill him if his results are/were skewed? Even more positive points for Meeko and guiri. They are neither likely at all to be Cult Leader.

Seer - While alive, once per night you may pick 2 players, you will be told if either of them is the Cult Leader.


His power was not a 1 shot
It is just as likely that possible future investigations were the reason he was Xed

N0 accuracy not withstanding

[Bicycle Repair Man]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Seer - While alive, once per night you may pick 2 players, you will be told if either of them is the Cult Leader.


His power was not a 1 shot
It is just as likely that possible future investigations were the reason he was Xed

N0 accuracy not withstanding

Likely he was killed to prevent further investigating. But it means his Night0 investigations are surely accurate. If he was "produced" to get phony results on Night0 he would hardly investigate the same players again so he would be little danger to the Cult Leader.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

another example of why the must claim idea was flawed required more thought

I'm not sure we as players can judge this now, during a game. I'm not sure we can even it do it after.

I'm not sure onlookers can, either. Or the Mods, or the Mafia Theorists.

Epitome of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

another example of why the must claim idea was flawed required more thought

Maybe. It was my choice to share my results Day 1. I probably should have waited, to be honest.

[Bashorian Clement]

I'm guessing my reads are bad. Or I was a lower priority target.

Could be both.

Despite that I pre nominate Mordenkainen.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bicycle Repair Man

Likely he was killed to prevent further investigating. But it means his Night0 investigations are surely accurate. If he was "produced" to get phony results on Night0 he would hardly investigate the same players again so he would be little danger to the Cult Leader.

None of us know for certain if he was able to do what he claimed- given the rule set. I am going to assume for now that he was but we wil not know unless there is a coroner or such Mortician and their power works like I think it does- but wait it says
Mortician - While alive, at night you will learn the role of the player who has been executed that day. maybe that does not include NKs

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Meeko

I'm not sure we as players can judge this now, during a game. I'm not sure we can even it do it after.

I'm not sure onlookers can, either. Or the Mods, or the Mafia Theorists.

Epitome of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

this has confused me more than some of your walls

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

I'm guessing my reads are bad. Or I was a lower priority target.

Could be both.

Despite that I pre nominate Mordenkainen.

can you elaborate?

I need to read but I woud ike your reasoning

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

I'm guessing my reads are bad. Or I was a lower priority target.

Could be both.

Despite that I pre nominate Mordenkainen.

Huh??

[Red Skeezix]

Meeko and guiri seem to be holding a private conference.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

this has confused me more than some of your walls

We can second guess ourselves on this, until the end of time. in hindsight, if I understand where you are coming from, .... you seem to say that anything we would have done here, wouldn't have worked. I think my personal belief here, is in line with this, if not, less impactful, or worthy of bringing up.

I think that "Me" regardless of sock, [To include Mendie in here as well] has a lot of things I coulda shoulda woulda. I'm working on that, or rather, against that.

[guiri]

I got a result of 0 again, but don’t know if that makes Meeko non-scum or if my result resolves before the night actions, have asked for clarification.

Originally Posted by LightFoot

another example of why the must claim idea was flawed required more thought

I don’t believe there was general consensus that all players must claim. Pleo and I mentioned which roles should and should not claim in N0#37 and D1#29. You were voted because you were the only player not to make any mention of a claim either way.

Originally Posted by Bicycle Repair Man

This result would seem to imply Mahaloth is truly the Seer giving accurate N0 results. Why kill him if his results are/were skewed? Even more positive points for Meeko and guiri. They are neither likely at all to be Cult Leader.

His death also opens up Meeko to my power.
Meeko sent me a bunch of corks for all those open wine bottles.

[Mordenkainen]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Despite that I pre nominate Mordenkainen.

Why?

If you want to have me executed, you will have to come up with [i]some]/i] reasons to get others to join you. So pony up.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by guiri

Meeko sent me a bunch of corks for all those open wine bottles.

How many?

[guiri]

17 corks! That leaves 25 bottle that were either finished off or remain open.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by guiri

17 corks! That leaves 25 bottle that were either finished off or remain open.

Thank you.

IMHO, Guiri is as town as Pleonast. I'd say both are 90% to lock town.

[guiri]

Meeko, is that based on sharing the message content or the number, or something else?

Pending any Night results (I don’t think there are any due) or claims, I’m happy to nominate Raven, Lightfoot, Mordenkainen or TexCat.

Mordenkainen, these were the reasons given for considering you yesterDay:
- Pleo’s result
- the about-turn on the possibility of a publicist
- you worked hard to exonerate Lightfoot, offering her ample time to defend herself and post, far too reasonable for this kind of game
- but did nothing to propose an alternative candidate

Originally Posted by Bicycle Repair Man

What case do you see? Whom do you propose instead? How do you see us going forward if we do not vote Lightfoot?

Originally Posted by guiri

Mordenkainen, partially Pleo’s result and the about-turn on the existence of a publicist, partially the for being far too reasonable with Lightfoot

Based on the opening post, I’m still only able to clear Mahaloth (of course) and Colby, assuming I’m not the Patsy. I doubt I was targeted by the Publicist, since my result was the same as N0.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Pleo has a list of 3 names and knows (unless he's the Patsy) that 1 of them is scum, and yet he nominates LF. Doesn't seem right to me.

Assuming 3 Scum out of 11 players (27%), having 1 scum out of 3 players (33%) is a slim improvement. Include two possible ways of results being corrupted, and my results are not actionable.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Posting a list of known claims= helpful
Demanding claims when we may have a player who [when dead] Town loses =fishing Scum

Not claiming = cover for the White rose

You seem to misunderstand the role.

Originally Posted by Red Skeezix

• Town team loses if they execute the White Rose.

....
White Rose - If you are executed, the town loses.

We lose if we vote off the White Rose. Doesn't matter if Scum kill them.

The White Rose is among the anti-Town roles (including Servant, (Patsy, who can't claim), White Rose, Child, Miller) that should've claimed immediately so that we can avoid or mitigate their effects.

[Pleonast]

LightFoot, please describe how you envision Town winning this game, after considering that player deaths reveal neither alignment nor role.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Bicycle Repair Man

This result would seem to imply Mahaloth is truly the Seer giving accurate N0 results. Why kill him if his results are/were skewed?

This is a Town slip, and everyone needs to know why.

Originally Posted by Red Skeezix

• There are no special boards for any team during this game.

Originally Posted by Red Skeezix

The Cult Leader - Each night after Day 1 you may select someone to kill.
The Publicist - Each night (including Night 0) you pick someone to decieve, they will remain decieved for tonight and tomorrow night. They will not know they have been decieved. While they are decieved any information they recieve from the moderator may be false.

There is no Scum team chat and no Scum team kill. In particular, that means the Cultist and the Publicist cannot coordinate.

[Pleonast]

My notes on claims:

SPECIFIC CLAIMS

Originally Posted by Pleonast

And the winners of Night Zero are
Bicycle Repair Man
Mordenkainen
TexCat
one of who is
The Publicist.

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Heads up. I am the town child.

Originally Posted by Meeko

You are the Town Gossip. You will receive another PM at the start of Day 1 with your information.
one of the following is the Patsy; guiri, Mahaloth, Pleonast

Originally Posted by guiri

I’m the therapist (or Patsy, so take my results with a pinch of salt until that’s resolved…) 0 scum adjacent to me on the player list, so that would be Mahaloth and Colby.

Killed Night One:

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Hey, I'm the Seer and each night, I can look at two players to see if they are the Cult Leader. Not scum in general, just if they are specifically the Cult Leader.

Meeko and Guiri are NOT the Cult Leader. Nice, but hardly cleared from being scum entirely.

VAGUE CLAIMS

Originally Posted by Bicycle Repair Man

I claim I am not rich. I claim I am not poor. I have a wife, a dog and a house. And I claim that I want no more.

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

My role does appear in that list.

Originally Posted by TexCat

My role also is in your list.

Originally Posted by Colby11

Yes

Originally Posted by raventhief

I am not ready to claim, but my role does appear o on that list. I'll share more when the time is right.

NO CLAIMS
LightFoot

[Pleonast]

Players who have voted,
to execute LightFoot: Pleonast (D1.56), guiri (D1.59), Mahaloth (D1.72), Bicycle Repair Man (D1.86).
to absolve LightFoot: TexCat (D1.74), Mordenkainen (D1.87).
to execute raventhief: guiri (D1.92), Mahaloth (D1.96), Bashorian Clement (D1.98), Bicycle Repair Man (100).
to absolve raventhief: none.

Players who did not vote at all:
Colby11
Meeko
LightFoot
raventhief

[Pleonast]

I'm not going to vote for any player who's made a specific claim.

Players who have not made a specific claim, nor have participated at all in voting:
Colby11
LightFoot
raventhief
These players do not seem be concerned about solving the game in any way. I want to eliminate any one of them.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Thank you.

IMHO, Guiri is as town as Pleonast. I'd say both are 90% to lock town.

I had grand designs on the post I wanted write on this. In my head, the draft evolved, a lot. I even debated going into using Mendie's style of heading for the post. There is something there, and I like the regimen and discipline of heading my longer posts, but, at the moment, I'm not feeling it.

But, in honesty, I probably do need some better form of discipline in my games.

Can Fun Move Into Functional?

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This is my first PM to send the "Wine" message to Pleonast.

Originally Posted by Meeko

I feel like this is a waste. I mean, it is, you can see the content already.



But, I want to run this by that player, and the optics therein, and the optics for everyone else, just to ..... as Peekercpa would have said, stir the pot.

Because I am legit sending this as my first, perhaps my questions on how I can send the second one, become clearer.

[[Ed Note :: Indeed, I was the one that asked the questions, that caused the Mod to answer the questions on messaging, in the game thread. ]]

Please, to Pleonast, send the word " Wine " 42 times. The part between my horizontal rules below.

[You didn't mention anything about word length, if I hit up against that, then, reduce the number of wines. The 42 is intentional, but, beyond being 42, has no "real" meaning. It's just to add "flavor" to the WTF ness.

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Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine


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Is it possible to handshake, with the bare minimum possible?


Can I go in for a handshake, with someone, and upon them seeing the shake, meet it with equal "energy" bearing and heading? The fact that they even act at all, to begin the hand shake, can that ever qualify as "enough" of a handshake?

Would scum respond with the full text of the PM, in the game? Would they bother to comment at all?

OR

Would scum simply ignore the post and think nothing of it? Would they want my ... mod forwarded message out in the public? Especially if it was crryptic? Does it behoove scum to share the messages?

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Originally Posted by Meeko

I'm sorry if I am giving a middle finger to the entire "You can message someone" power / ability in your game.

Like, I get that there is a "Real" purpose for it, even more so for the scum team. And I'm sorry to go ulterior on it.

To Guiri, the word "Cork" 17 times in a row.

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Cork Cork Cork Cork Cork Cork Cork Cork Cork Cork Cork Cork Cork Cork Cork Cork Cork

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Can I do it again?

Ok, don't be silly Meeko, you can't do this again, to say the least, you would totally be "Wasting" both of your message slots. True, but, I am vanilla now, I had my power come in, and my power go. I have nothing to lose. I hinted, .... breadcrumbed? ...... this in my Shoulda Coulda Woulda post, where I said, in so many words, that I am willing to take more risks now.

But, if I were to do it, again, I would need to be even more clever, right?

I would need to pick a better target. If we all town read a given player a certain way, already, it would be far better to as much, per se, confirm them, with this gambit, than to get someone we have less of a town read on, and have my last message be a complete waste, right?


I had to be clever, in both my composition, and my message receiver.

What goes with "Wine" ? What can I send, in the same manner, that would immediately both create and finish what was in honesty, a one off, into a hopefully valid gambit?

Wine was sent. Wine was in a manner of speaking, shared with everyone.

Cork stops wine.

Right?

That would make for an obvious continuation.

But, It has to be _different_

How much wine did we "drink" ? About half of the bottles? Yeah, but, that's too easy.

But it also can't be an even number, or a number guessed at.

Like, a prime number would help.

Thankfully, Guiri responded with the correct number of 17.

I think that to be fair, and to give this an honest shot, I had one chance to ask for the number of corks, and in that instance, the next answer had to be taken as "final answer" . This could only just work, and thankfully, it did only just work.

Scum, using the same logic above for 42 bottles of wine, would just as easily have said 15 or 20. IF they said anything at all.

No. 17 was a deliberate number. I mean, 42 was deliberate, too, but with no real game meaning. 17 had to be "17", or a number that looked like it. [

[Ok, I will grant you, that one is perhaps too Yogi Berra, even for Meeko. I'm simply trying to state that I needed a sufficient amount of " Odd " here. ]]


TL : DR

I don't think A scum Pleonast or a scum Guiri would have responded and or shared my PMs anywhere close to as verbatim as they had. Thus I must conclude that they are town.

I could be off on this completely, but again, I am vanilla now, and I felt I had at aleast a viable way to use my messages.

Please argue against this. It means we will have something to talk about.

[Meeko]

As a TL DR to the TL DR , is it possible for a player to create a situation where they can force another player into committing a Town Slip?

That is, I Think that is what I was trying to do, if I was aware of that term, as I posted the longer Fun / Functional post. If I was a better player, and knew what I was doing, from square one on all of it, that's what that post would have looked like.

But, I think I got there in the end. I think I did enough correct here. Of course, it helps that the recipients of my message responded, as they had. And that I have ample time to respond to all of it, now for a second, quasi third [If you count the TL DR as it's own response, or not] time.

I mean, I did a thing. I think it worked out. But, by nature of Mafia, and this game [Patsy] especially, who can know?

[Bicycle Repair Man]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

I'm not going to vote for any player who's made a specific claim.

Players who have not made a specific claim, nor have participated at all in voting:
Colby11
LightFoot
raventhief
These players do not seem be concerned about solving the game in any way. I want to eliminate any one of them.

I would rather not eliminate Colby11 because he shows up on guiri's "not Scum" reports.

Either of the other two work for me. Also neither Mordenkainen nor TexCat inspire much Town confidence in me.

[TexCat]

Pleo, I think you missed a vague claim by raventhief:

Originally Posted by raventhief

That's sad, red died immediately. Poor mod.


I am not ready to claim, but my role does appear o on that list. I'll share more when the time is right.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

I'm not going to vote for any player who's made a specific claim.

Players who have not made a specific claim, nor have participated at all in voting:
Colby11
LightFoot
raventhief
These players do not seem be concerned about solving the game in any way. I want to eliminate any one of them.

I’m fine with Lightfoot and Raventhief too.

What about the vote-the-child idea? Can we request that either Lightfoot or Raventhief nominate & vote the child?

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Bicycle Repair Man

I would rather not eliminate Colby11 because he shows up on guiri's "not Scum" reports.

That works for me.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Pleo, I think you missed a vague claim by raventhief:

It's in my post D2.27.
https://www.giraffeboards.com/showpo...1&postcount=27

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by guiri

I’m fine with Lightfoot and Raventhief too.

What about the vote-the-child idea? Can we request that either Lightfoot or Raventhief nominate & vote the child?

Yes, good idea. It's probably better to use the Child sooner rather than later.

(I'm imagining baby Yoda using the force to throw a suspected witch into a well.)

[Pleonast]

Let's figure out the details.

1. Mahaloth chooses one of raventhief, LightFoot as the suspected "witch".
2. Moderator opens up nominations.
3. The chosen "witch" has 12 hours to officially nominate and vote for Bashorian Clement.

Case A:
4A. The "witch" does so and dies. Sorry, about that, you were innocent, but we have two confirmed Town.
5A. We all vote to absolve Bashorian Clement.
6A. Anyone nominates the other one.
7A. We all vote to execute that one.

Case B.
4B. The "witch" does so and does not die. You are guilty, Scum! (Or, Child is Patsy, Publicized, or a liar.)
5B. We all vote to absolve Bashorian Clement.
6B. Anyone nominates the "witch".
7B. We all vote to execute them.

Case C.
4C. The "witch" refuses to do so. Not a team player, time to die.
5C. Anyone nominates the refusenik.
6C. We all vote to execute them.

[Bashorian Clement]

I don't think it's a vote, it's a nomination? The Child.

Regards,

The Child

[Bashorian Clement]

NVM I think you got it.

[guiri]

Who is the second confirmed town? Bashorian sure, as the child power will be proven, but if one of the ones nominating die immediately, they’ll be dead confirmed town, right? Is that what you meant?

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by guiri

Who is the second confirmed town? Bashorian sure, as the child power will be proven, but if one of the ones nominating die immediately, they’ll be dead confirmed town, right? Is that what you meant?

Yes. If the player nominating Bashorian Clement dies, it confirms both of them.

[Mahaloth]

My big mouth could be costly. I failed to realize that we all live beyond death and so I spilled my first seer results immediately, especially since I got a total "no" answer, something useful.

I could have just zipped my lips, potentially got more results, and then shared them post-death.

My bad, folks. I actually thought I read the rules, but I missed a key aspect.

[Pleonast]

At this participation level, I despair that we'll ever execute anybody.

[Bicycle Repair Man]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

At this participation level, I despair that we'll ever execute anybody.

I cannot promise greater participation but I will be here for any needed vote to the best of my ability. I hope we can get that promise from a good majority of players.

[Mordenkainen]

Originally Posted by guiri

Mordenkainen, these were the reasons given for considering you yesterDay:
- Pleo’s result
- the about-turn on the possibility of a publicist
- you worked hard to exonerate Lightfoot, offering her ample time to defend herself and post, far too reasonable for this kind of game
- but did nothing to propose an alternative candidate.

I was actually asking Bashorian Clement for his reasons, which I would still like to hear.. That being said, thank you for your reply.

There is nothing I can do about Pleo's result except acknowledge and deny it. I take that result with a grain of salt as he claimed Private Eye N0, thus giving a chance for a Publicist to corrupt his results.

I did not "about turn" on the question of the publicist. I realised a few minutes after my post that Pleo could be the Patsy, and adjusted my thinking. I still believe that the existence of a publicist is overwhelmingly likely.

re Lightfoot, what can I say? I dislike voting to lynch low-content posters in the early game. I believe it is very likely to be a bad move. I did nothing to propose an alternative because, buy the time I returned to the thread after Lightfoot was absolved, Raventhief had already been nominated, and I was neutral on her as well.

[Mordenkainen]

Originally Posted by Meeko

I don't think A scum Pleonast or a scum Guiri would have responded and or shared my PMs anywhere close to as verbatim as they had. Thus I must conclude that they are town.

I could be off on this completely, but again, I am vanilla now, and I felt I had at aleast a viable way to use my messages.

Please argue against this. It means we will have something to talk about.

guiri, at least, has form in accurately relaying messages from Townies while he is Mafiate. He did this in Pleo's BYOM game late last year. I managed to pick out not one but two Mafiates with my messaging power in that game - and they confirmed me anyway.

So I'd treat that conclusion with a grain of salt approximately the size of a Black Lotus.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

You seem to misunderstand the role.

We lose if we vote off the White Rose. Doesn't matter if Scum kill them.

The White Rose is among the anti-Town roles (including Servant, (Patsy, who can't claim), White Rose, Child, Miller) that should've claimed immediately so that we can avoid or mitigate their effects.

I did misinterpret the White rose role

Originally Posted by Pleonast

LightFoot, please describe how you envision Town winning this game, after considering that player deaths reveal neither alignment nor role.

I see it as won after some death. Town know what role they were given [for the most part]
I don't think we are all patsies

as the living succumb the dead will still be in the game

Living Scum may claim a role under pressure that was not accounted for and the dead counterpart can and should push back
Another way- all the unclaimed Town roles can't all exist- it may come to benefit us

I admit I have not been as engaged this game for reasons stated
I do think I can be a benefit either way

[Red Skeezix]

the 24 hour waiting period is done. Nominations may be submitted at any time.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

guiri, at least, has form in accurately relaying messages from Townies while he is Mafiate. He did this in Pleo's BYOM game late last year. I managed to pick out not one but two Mafiates with my messaging power in that game - and they confirmed me anyway.

So I'd treat that conclusion with a grain of salt approximately the size of a Black Lotus.

Meeko incoherently rambles about the 30th anniversary set, and $1,000 dollars for a box set of 4 15 card booster packs, ...... OF PROXIES.