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Better Call Saul
Who's watching? So far it's pretty good, but no Breaking Bad.
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So far, so good. I very much enjoyed the first two episodes, which is rare for any TV series since it can often take the first 1 or 2 seasons for a show to hit its stride.
Its no Breaking Bad, but its not supposed to be another BB. What we're seeing is how a different piece of the Breaking Bad universe was formed. |
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I liked it too. I'd have liked it even if there hadn't been a Breaking Bad. Saul's a great character and the story line with his brother is interesting, and unusual. They're both very sympathetic.
I squealed when Tuco showed up, but it decreases the tension a little bit, knowing that Saul doesn't have anything to worry about with him. |
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I know what you mean. Every Breaking Bad fan knew that Saul wasn't missing any fingers (he talks with his hands a lot), so that scene lost a bit of it's menace.
Still, even though Tuco isn't a direct thread, anything can happen in his relationship with Nacho. We have no idea, for instance, that Saul didn't once have a girlfriend murdered by angry drug dealers. I'm looking forward to seeing how Mike fits in to everything. They better hurry up, though, Jonathan Banks is already starting to look older than he did in BB. |
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Are you punking me, Tia Pam?
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(We need a scared to death smiley.) |
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I wish they'd show two episodes per week like last week. It's a long time to wait. |
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"Nacho" was excellent. Getting better and better.
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Agreed. It's got that thing that BB had -- people getting into impossible situations and getting out of them by being smart, and by people doing the unexpected, and the unexpected is what develops the characters.
I'm really curious about the opening scene, Saul in jail for something that sounds kinda serious, making a promise to his brother. Was Saul already out of college and law school then? He tells his brother "You're the lawyer!" Surely he didn't spend seven years in school after that. Maybe he was done with college but went on to law school? |
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Can we just take a minute to talk about Michael McKean's great acting? I'm not sure I've ever seen him in a "serious" role - mostly This is Spinal Tap and those Christopher Guest comedies. But I totally forget that it's him in this show. It's almost like Leslie Neilsen's career to me, just in reverse.
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This is just my assumption, but I thought "Slippin' Jimmy" had finally gotten caught, and this was the point that Jimmy decided to become a lawyer like his brother.
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Is this a woosh? I thought that was intentional? The sound guy Jimmy yells at a couple minutes later?
ETA: Ninja'd by AuntiePam! |
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5-0.
Nice to get all the background on Mike. This show has all kinds of stories going on now, but I'm loving every second. |
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The Big 3's dramas are more like daytime soaps. |
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Because those arrogant fucks haven't yet internalized the message that there is a substantial audience out there for series that feature GOOD WRITING, nuanced characters that develop organically over time, stories that unfold in their own good time without telegraphing and handwaving and spelling it out like the audience is four, played by actors who can ACT, and that cinematography and capable direction make huge differences in how well a show does. They're still wound up in bankability and flavor of the month and syndication rights--they don't have time for all that artsy fartsy crap that nobody cares about anyway, y'know.
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Rico - Another great episode. I'm getting sad that there are only 2 left.
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Thanks. Ten is better than none. And thirteen next season, so yay.
This show's so damn good. Makes me sad that Saul will be cheated out of his share of the Sandpiper settlement (or lawsuit), but there's no show if he becomes the kind of lawyer he thinks he wants to be -- fancy office, upscale clients, etc. |
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Really like the show, pity the season is so short.
Last episode was awesome, loved the trashcan joke. |
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I suppose we all knew who Chuck was calling. The betrayal was disappointing but not unexpected -- Chuck's been living a very self-centered life for too long. But now we know why we didn't see a brother in BB -- although there could be another reason, and maybe Chuck and Jimmy will reconcile.
I did like that Howard became less of a villain. He cares what Kim thinks of him, and maybe he even cares a little bit about Jimmy -- or maybe not. Loved Mike's story this week but I fear for Price's future in crime. |
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Did you guys watch it on cable? If so, was Jimmy's "pig fucker" comment uncensored? I'm just curious: although I had it on my DVR, I chose to watch the scene 720p version on my WDTV (no need to fast-forward through the commercials... there aren't any!). But sometimes scene releases come from other countries, usually Canada.
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Pimento - Episode 9 - Best show yet. Things are starting to fall in place.
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I finally learned what a "Chicago Sunroof" is.
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Tha last episode was painful to watch.
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The penultimate episode was fantastic. I really didn't want it to end. The season finale? I was a bit disappointed. It had to end the way it did - but with the standard the previous ep set, I was expecting more.
Great show - Really looking forward to next season. |
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Watched the entire first season in one day on Netflix, and just caught the Season 2 premier. Anyone still here?
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I'm still here.
![]() I like that it's taking awhile for Jimmy to become Saul. It's fun, watching him being tricky, but it's also fun to watch him be a good lawyer. Looking forward to him going back to the nursing homes. Was surprised that Warmolt accepted the loss of his Hummer without more of a fight. He still didn't seem convinced that the detectives were on to him. How long before the "cobbler squat" becomes a thing? |
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If you can take the pain check for a series of videos with "K-Strass." He'd get himself invited on local news shows as a yo-yo champion and then Ali G the small talk and completely bomb at the inevitable showing-off of his skills. It's the guy who plays Pryce on BCS; apparently the youtube fame got him more legit parts.
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I'm still here. S'all good, man.
I'd forgotten how much I love Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul until last week. Jimmy rocks! |
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I'll spoiler box this:
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ITA about the cobbler squat. It would have been enough to have Warmolt doing a more generic fetish video. I'll put it down to the writers having fun.
Maybe the detectives didn't want to appear out of touch, and that's why they ended up accepting the story. |
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Apparently the lingo was manufactured by Odenkirk while taping -- the writers had the idea of the pie fetish but he came up with "Hoboken Cobbler Squat" and the other phrases on the spot. His background is in improv. It makes him so perfectly cast for a con man like Jimmy.
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And that's the thing--the con is all about spinning the tale. The way he just dribbs and drabbs the new information into the story, taking advantage of the incongruity of it all and the belief cops have that the world is pretty much fucked anyway is masterful. He sells them a story they can almost believe while making it super clear the cops had no more access to the guy who could become his client in a heartbeat--best to leave it be. That's a beautiful blowoff.
Actually making the video, though, was pure hubris and overstepping the ethical line like it was a giant "don't flip the switch" sign. Note when he was telling Kim all about it, that was where he lost her--he sold the cops completely but lost his girlfriend's faith when he could have stopped short and in all probability kept both. That's Jimmy's overwhelming flaw, the tragic trait that turns him into Saul and ends him up as Cinnabon Gene, afraid to open an alarm door. All it took to make him jump into this situation was an open ended request from Mike--that Jimmy just can't pass up, it's too much fun and he's a sucker for the con. And Mike's tragic flaw is his hubris over his own abilities and a soft spot for a dumb sucker. He underestimated Walter and it bit him in the ass--this is how he got to that river bank. I'm sure hoping that the reason Kim is not in the picture when BB comes along isn't because she died tragically--I really love her character. ![]() |
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I like her too. I wonder how many seasons they can give this show, with the fates of its characters already determined. I expect Gus to be in it before the end too. He was too much a part of Mike's world when he first entered Breaking Bad to omit from Better Call Saul.
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We've just started watching this on Netflix too. Really enjoying it. All the actors are amazing. And Mike is scary.
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The A.V. Club reviewer has praised the show for its relative simplicity. The plots aren't particularly intricate and the pace is slow. We have time to think along with the characters, like this week when Jimmy went back and forth over previewing the TV ad with his boss. It makes for a deeper show, emotionally, we have time to get involved.
Another example this week was Mike and Stacey, his daughter-in-law, standing and looking at the gouge in the stucco on her house. In another show, that might have been a quick cut, followed by Mike going back to the vet to ask for a job. We wouldn't have had time to think about why Mike was doing that. I wish more TV shows would slow down. Maybe the reason they don't is because there's nothing to see. |
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Last night's episode mostly kicked the can down the road. Wish I was binge watching instead of watching week by week. Since Jimmy's departure from that law firm is inevitable I hope they just end it now and move on with his transformation into Saul Goodman.
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I'm glad they're not hurrying the pace and I disagree that this ep was kicking the can. There was a lot to unpack and definitely a lot of shaping of the characters that brought them to Breaking Bad. Also callbacks, like the pig toy and Ice Station Zebra (later Saul's holding company.) The nail biting waiting for the phones to light up--of course they had to wait until AFTER Murder She Wrote to call, duh!
![]() And Stacey is definitely playing Mike, but how much and why is yet to be discovered. WHY does Mike need to set Kaylee up with SO MUCH MONEY? He's so driven in BB to make sure she's okay but dayum, he seems to think she's gonna need about ten times what might seem reasonable--why? What brings him to that conclusion? |
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It could be simple pragmatism. He's living dangerously and knows he won't be around to help her forever. I don't think Stacey is playing Mike. I think she's becoming unhinged, paranoid. She didn't invent the gunshots -- she just mistook the sound of the newspaper deliveries. I've forgotten what Stacey knows about her husband's death. Does she know the truth? |
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I don't think she's paranoid--she made such a big deal of not letting Mike stay over and was so precise about the time the alleged gunshots happened, 0213 is not when most newspapers get delivered. Also, he was very far into the stakeout when the paper wagon came by--he'd had his sammich, had something to drink, and was almost nodding off when he heard the papers hitting the ground and I really don't see an experienced ex-cop being all zoned out at two AM. He alerted to the car moving slowly, but didn't appear as concerned as if he still thought the paper noise was something else.
No, she's playing some kind of game but I can't tell if it's just opportunism or something darker. She wears scrubs, appears to be a nurse or some other health professional, someone who should be perfectly capable of raising a kid on her own in modest but decent circumstances. She should also have at least a little pension from her husband dying on the job. Yet in BB Mike drives the same old POS car, lives a nearly monastic lifestyle but racks up big money doing very dangerous shit in order to set Kaylee up--why does he think THAT much money is required? I get wanting to set up the grandkid and all, but I'd think it would be MORE important to actually be around to keep helping her rather than leaving this cash pile that appears to be linked only to Kaylee, NOT to her mother. What's up with that? Also, given his line of work, wouldn't a huge insurance policy make more sense? And yes, she knows--recall last season in "Five-O" when Mike laid it all out to her how he "broke my boy." Could she be fixing to blackmail him? Agh, so many questions! |
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I also caught season 1 on Netflix and caught up courtesy of AMC on demand. I can confirm that the Netflix version left pigfucker uncensored.
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So Howard is a real asshole, huh?
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He truly is. I could understand Chuck doing Kim like that, because of how he feels about Jimmy, but what's up with Howard? Is he attracted to Kim and pissed that she's close to Jimmy?
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