A Wizards True Name - Day 3

[Red Skeezix]

A little hurried today, sorry for no color:

Heterometrus Swammerdammi aka Ark Steamer, a Town Wizard is dead.

Day will end on Monday 3/23 @ 7pm EDT.

The hammer for today is: 9

[TexCat]

Alas, another townie dead.

I got No Result on Visor.

[Scáthach]

No result on texcat oddly enough.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

No result on Colby

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

No result on texcat oddly enough.

EITHER Tex lied or Scum looked at 'er too'

no result on my end

[Giraffe]

No result on Chaos.

[Mrs McGinty]

Anyone not see that coming? Time for me to explain my breadcrumbs...

Originally Posted by Mrs McGinty

In other news, I played bass on a tune about a military man - not too poorly either, given the amount of booze involved.

So, first up, the above statement is true. The tune in question is The General, and the eponymous military man is General Pinochet (the line 'better die than disappear' is one pretty obvious reference to his legacy; I can post a full transcript of the lyrics if required).

The other key points can be summarized as follows:
bass = Bottom
not too poorly = Richie
booze = party

So, you might ask, what does any of that mean? The answer is that it refers to the mention of the words General Pinochet in the episode of the classic British sitcom Bottom which features Richie's birthday party. This mention comes as Richie's flatmate, Eddie, backtracks on his previous scorn towards Richie's blatantly forged (and repeatedly reused) birthday cards, including one from General Pinochet and another from...

Originally Posted by Mrs McGinty

I'm Elvis, see?

Elvis = The King = royal
see = sea = a boat

Thus, Eddie's statement: "I know these cards are genuine. The guys from the Ark Royal, General Pinochet, I mean how could you fake something like that..."

And, indeed, that is the question for anyone doubting I knew my name on day one: how could I fake something like that...

(Here's a link to the script. The line is near the end of the first scene, if anyone wishes to check it.)

[Mrs McGinty]

Oh yeah, and no result on Lightfoot.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mrs McGinty

Anyone not see that coming? Time for me to explain my breadcrumbs...

So, first up, the above statement is true. The tune in question is The General, and the eponymous military man is General Pinochet (the line 'better die than disappear' is one pretty obvious reference to his legacy; I can post a full transcript of the lyrics if required).

The other key points can be summarized as follows:
bass = Bottom
not too poorly = Richie
booze = party

So, you might ask, what does any of that mean? The answer is that it refers to the mention of the words General Pinochet in the episode of the classic British sitcom Bottom which features Richie's birthday party. This mention comes as Richie's flatmate, Eddie, backtracks on his previous scorn towards Richie's blatantly forged (and repeatedly reused) birthday cards, including one from General Pinochet and another from...

Elvis = The King = royal
see = sea = a boat

Thus, Eddie's statement: "I know these cards are genuine. The guys from the Ark Royal, General Pinochet, I mean how could you fake something like that..."

And, indeed, that is the question for anyone doubting I knew my name on day one: how could I fake something like that...

(Here's a link to the script. The line is near the end of the first scene, if anyone wishes to check it.)

that is so obscure that you could have possibly twisted it to match anything- anyone follow the cultural?

[Mrs McGinty]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

that is so obscure that you could have possibly twisted it to match anything- anyone follow the cultural?

But something so neat and so specific, leading directly to that particular three-letter word with an 'r' in it?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mrs McGinty

But something so neat and so specific, leading directly to that particular three-letter word with an 'r' in it?

I am not going to chew on it- I don't get the references if someone else does then fine- did you leave any other clues that someone on this side of the pond would get?

[bufftabby]

As with Scáthach's investigation results (or lack thereof) of BillMc, I think it would be better to simply confirm that I did investigate Swammerdammi as planned.

Mrs. McGinty, I must say: I do believe that is the most convoluted breadcrumb I have ever seen.

[Mahaloth]

No result for Giraffe.

[Mrs McGinty]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I am not going to chew on it- I don't get the references if someone else does then fine

You don't need to get the references - I linked to them. The whole point was to choose ones that were obscure but demonstrable.

Originally Posted by bufftabby

Mrs. McGinty, I must say: I do believe that is the most convoluted breadcrumb I have ever seen.

Thanks, that's exactly what I was going for.

[Swammerdami]

*     ¡ uʍoʇ ob

[guiri]

Scathach, now might be a good time to share your N1 result on Bill. Are there three Ito Freeholds or three Ito Cowpens among Bill, Zuma, Texcat and yourself?

I got no result on Gnarly.

With three names in the open, can I ask anyone else who posted a hint or clue on N0, D1 or N1 to say so? I have:
Ito: Bill, Zuma, Texcat, and Scathach
Ark: Swammi, McGinty, Lightfoot and Bufftabby
Rip: Guiri, Gnarly, Giraffe, Dizzy and Chaos I think

That would be 13 players "knowing" their first name at the start of the game. Scathach and Dizzy didn't leave any unique clue but still made an effort. Are our scumbags SisterC, Visor, Colby and Mahaloth? Or have we confirmed that scum started with cover names?

Vote Colby

3rd time's a charm.

[Chaos]

No result on Dizzy.

[guiri]

Chaos, did you breadcrumb your name on Day or Night 1?

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by guiri

Scathach, now might be a good time to share your N1 result on Bill. Are there three Ito Freeholds or three Ito Cowpens among Bill, Zuma, Texcat and yourself?

Is that useful to know? For town? Seems like it would only help scum tbh.

[guiri]

Well, you are the only one who can tell if it´s useful, I thought there may be a chance to catch a scumbag. There are two known Itos and two claimed Itos. We know that Zuma and Bill were not a match so we assume you must match either Zuma or Bill, and TexCat must match either Zuma or Bill however yesterDay TexCat claimed she matched you, how is that possible? Your result toDay would seem to confirm that she is not your match. There are several possibilities:
- you did not match Bill, and therefore are a Cowpen, TexCat is a Freehold and lied about matching you
- you matched Bill, and therefore are a Freehold, TexCat is a Cowpen and lied about matching you
- you did not match Bill, but match TexCat, and possibly Zuma, but your investigation was blocked
- there are 2 or more other unclaimed Itos out there who provide the missing matches for Bill and Zuma

You can make some sense of this, how do you explain Zuma and Bill having different last names while TexCat claimed to match yours yesterday with no other claimed Itos and a failed investigation last Night? With just what you've shared, it looks suspicious, with your N1 result, you may have stronger evidence...

[gnarlycharlie]

no result on Mahaloth.

Lightfoot, all i'm saying is that it seems that scum knowing town's names doesn't have a great upside unlike for town. i don't see what's complicated about that.

[TexCat]

Guiri,
You've got all kind of bad assumptions in there. What makes you think that Scathach and I have to either be a Freehold or a Cowpen. Why couldn't we be Steamers, or Smiths for that matter? And if you start assuming that I lied about my results on Scathach, you should also assume that my name is not Ito. Your logic is not.

I think there is absolutely no reason for Scathach to give up her results. It only helps scum.

With so few results all around, I'm thinking there may be more last names than first names and it's looking more and more like not everyone has a match. The Rips have investigated two nights with no results?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Guiri,
You've got all kind of bad assumptions in there. What makes you think that Scathach and I have to either be a Freehold or a Cowpen. Why couldn't we be Steamers, or Smiths for that matter? And if you start assuming that I lied about my results on Scathach, you should also assume that my name is not Ito. Your logic is not.

Well, if you lied about your result yesterDay, you are scum, end of story, no need to worry about your first name. As for every Ito having a different last name, that would basically make a joke of all our attempts to coordinate investigations. If each player doesn´t have at least one match, we're wasting valuable time.

As for the Rips, with 6 or 7 claimed players, there are still multiple untested combinations but I agree that 0 matches out of 11 attempts is pretty crappy.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by guiri

With three names in the open, can I ask anyone else who posted a hint or clue on N0, D1 or N1 to say so? I have:
Ito: Bill, Zuma, Texcat, and Scathach
Ark: Swammi, McGinty, Lightfoot and Bufftabby
Rip: Guiri, Gnarly, Giraffe, Dizzy and Chaos I think

I'm "Rip", too. YesterDay, I used the phrase "rip into me" as my little breadcrumb. It was pretty lame and obvious.

[SisterCoyote]

Bufftabby came back town.

[SisterCoyote]

I posted no hints nor clues on any of those days or nights. My first hint was yesterDay.

[Colby11]

No result on Guiri.

And what gives you the bleeping reason to vote for me? I gave my clue about my name. You guys can bleeping stop with this voting crap about voting for me just based off of that. Cause that's a lazy vote and you two know it

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mrs McGinty

You don't need to get the references - I linked to them. The whole point was to choose ones that were obscure but demonstrable.

Thanks, that's exactly what I was going for.

Your links don't do anything to show me your references ( the second one might include something but I am not going to read the script.)

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Colby11

No result on Guiri.

And what gives you the bleeping reason to vote for me? I gave my clue about my name. You guys can bleeping stop with this voting crap about voting for me just based off of that. Cause that's a lazy vote and you two know it

where and what would be helpful

[Giraffe]

By my count, we have seven claimed Rips:

guiri, gnarlycharlie, Giraffe, Chaos, Colby11, Dizzymrslizzy, Mahaloth

On N1, we had the following Rip-Rip investigations:

Giraffe --> guiri, no result
Dizzy --> gnarly, no result
guiri --> Dizzy, no result
gnarly --> Chaos, no result
Colby + Chaos --> Giraffe, no result possible (if true)

On N2, we had the following Rip-Rip investigations:

Guiri --> Gnarly, no result
Gnarly --> Mahaloth, no result
Mahaloth --> Giraffe, no result
Giraffe --> Chaos, no result
Chaos --> Dizzymrslizzy, no result
Dizzymrslizzy --> Colby11, no result
Colby11 --> Guiri, no result

If Rip has three paired names, it seems highly unlikely that we wouldn't have a successful investigation yet. This makes me think we either have fewer name pairs than that and/or some scum are hanging out in our midst, borking up our odds.

The three claimed Rips I'm most dubious of are Chaos, Colby11 and Mahaloth. Their crumbs came late enough that they could have figured out the name from the previous clues, and they have generally been hanging back.

Colby is by far the most suspicious to me. Looking back at Day 2, Colby11 waited until Chaos had already produced a null investigation result on me before coyly claiming just to have no result, before eventually saying he also investigated me. Looking at Night 1, there were multiple posts discussing who was investigating me, it's hard to see how he could have been paying any attention at all and missed that.

I think Colby's plan was to give as little investigation information as possible to avoid painting himself into a corner, name-wise, but if pressed just jump onto a null investigation and say he got confused. Had he claimed a result on someone no one had given results for, he risked being caught in a lie should someone else have investigated them and gotten a Town result.

Everything about his game so far smacks of scum trying not to get busted. Even his protest at getting votes toDay stinks. I think a Town player would expect votes based on everything that's gone down so far.

[LightFoot]

although I do agree with the Colby voters I will put another horse in this race



'e changed camps in the name claim game and the 'clue' was after it was nearly obvious ( Swammi said he had figured it out already )

'e initially was going to investigate an Ito (Bill)
then said 'e was not an Ito
then said 'e had an R
investigated a player ( assumed) with an R and no I-T-O
In the N1 thread post #2 'e asked for a list of name claims- seemed scummy to me then .


now claims to be Rip

There are so many claiming Rip I wager there be scum in there somewhere

[Mrs McGinty]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Your links don't do anything to show me your references

I don't understand how you can't follow this. It makes me think you're not even bothering to read my post properly.

[Mrs McGinty]

I do agree with you on this, though:

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

although I do agree with the Colby voters I will put another horse in this race



'e changed camps in the name claim game and the 'clue' was after it was nearly obvious ( Swammi said he had figured it out already )

'e initially was going to investigate an Ito (Bill)
then said 'e was not an Ito
then said 'e had an R
investigated a player ( assumed) with an R and no I-T-O
In the N1 thread post #2 'e asked for a list of name claims- seemed scummy to me then .


now claims to be Rip

There are so many claiming Rip I wager there be scum in there somewhere

Didn't I investigate a player with an R and at least one of ITO?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mrs McGinty

I don't understand how you can't follow this. It makes me think you're not even bothering to read my post properly.

The first link is to a song that is called " the general" ( that I am not listening to) OK- what means that?

the second link is a hard to read script ( which I admit I am not going to read)

not a lock for me- carry on

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Didn't I investigate a player with an R and at least one of ITO?

You should know who you investigated. and by my records you investigated Mrs M= no I-T-O ( according to 'er) N1

[Mrs McGinty]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

The first link is to a song that is called " the general" ( that I am not listening to) OK- what means that?

the second link is a hard to read script ( which I admit I am not going to read)

Meh. It's clear that you're still not reading my post, and have no intention of following up the references. If you want to lynch me to save yourself that small effort, go right ahead. Otherwise, stop wasting my time asking me to repeat stuff I've already posted.

[Mrs McGinty]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

You should know who you investigated. and by my records you investigated Mrs M= no I-T-O ( according to 'er) N1

Hang on, this is wrong also. I only said 'three letters with an r'.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mrs McGinty

Meh. It's clear that you're still not reading my post, and have no intention of following up the references. If you want to lynch me to save yourself that small effort, go right ahead. Otherwise, stop wasting my time asking me to repeat stuff I've already posted.

I am not voting you just trying to understand .
- didn't ask you to repeat yourself either - just can't wrap the reference-

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mrs McGinty

Hang on, this is wrong also. I only said 'three letters with an r'.

Then Mahaloth was incorrect with
"Didn't I investigate a player with an R and at least one of ITO?" as well

[Mrs McGinty]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I am not voting you just trying to understand .
- didn't ask you to repeat yourself either - just can't wrap the reference-

The song references General Pinochet (it's about the legacies of right-wing dictatorships in general, but he's the main source of inspiration; my singer started writing the song during a visit to Chile), whose name is mentioned directly after 'the guys from the Ark Royal' in that sitcom episode I breadcrumbed.

The truth is, though, you don't need to fully understand my line of thought in putting the breadcrumbs together. You just need to appreciate how insanely difficult it would have been to cook up something so convoluted and yet so specific if I didn't already know my name before breadcrumbing.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Then Mahaloth was incorrect with
"Didn't I investigate a player with an R and at least one of ITO?" as well

OK, I looked.

I said I wanted to investigate "3 letters with R + one of I,T,O", which fit my name of Rip.

However, all the others were taken, so I went with "3 letters with R" and chose Mrs. Mcginty.

It all checks out as far as I can see, although I admit I have been wrong recollecting without looking it up toDay.

[Colby11]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

where and what would be helpful

Seriously?

You don't remember me saying Bruce?

Shaking my head

[Colby11]

Guess I have to explain my damn breadcrumb... Later

[Colby11]

Might as well explain my crumb.

Ever heard of Bruce Almighty, it's a movie.

They made a sequel, Evan Almighty.

What was Evan supposed to do?

Build an Ark.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Colby11

Might as well explain my crumb.

Ever heard of Bruce Almighty, it's a movie.

They made a sequel, Evan Almighty.

What was Evan supposed to do?

Build an Ark.

My notes had you claiming Rip-- will have to investigate when I get done sleeping

[LightFoot]

NETA so you have fudged along investigating Rips-- seriously? ----- I am going to bed!

[guiri]

Please lynch Colby!!! There's no way a townie with any interest whatsoever in finding scum would do this twice, especially one who claims to be increasing activity.

N1 he messed with Giraffe's investigation despite all the discussions about avoiding double up, N2 he happily goes along with an investigation of and by players he knows will not give a result. And he claims to be attempting to be more active!

Colby, what's the Kung fu fighting reference then? If Bruce is a reference to the Ark?

[Mrs McGinty]

Yeeah, that's pretty damning.

[bufftabby]

Originally Posted by guiri

Colby, what's the Kung fu fighting reference then? If Bruce is a reference to the Ark?

Yeah, if you're like me, you got "Lee" out of all that. If the clue were "Evan", I could buy "Ark" as the intent.

Colby admits to completely screwing up investigations both Nights. He gave a clue that could really mean anything at all. I really don't think Colby knows his name at all.

I'm pretty comfortable reprising my vote from yesterDay.