Power Eccentricity Mafia -- rules and signups

[Eristic Widgeon]

Power Eccentricity Mafia

This is based on a setup used a couple years back in the Mafia Championship, which I adjusted for 13 players to make everyone a tad more powerful. I suppose if we get overwhelming demand I could run the original 17 player setup instead.

10 Town, 3 Scum. 13 of the following 14 roles are randomly distributed to players without regard for alignment. The scum will be told which is the “leftover” 14th role for possible claim cover.

Some important rules:

Players’ alignments will be revealed upon their death, but their role will NOT.

All roles expire and everyone is Vanilla as of Dawn of Day 5!

The scum kill counts as a power, must be assigned to a particular player, and can be watched, etc. If the scum do not submit a kill, a random scum player and town victim will be selected for them.No player can use more than one power on the same Night.

Powers may only be used on the Nights indicated; no do-overs if you get blocked.

If you fail to submit a target, I may choose a target for you at random if it seems like a clear error (i.e. if there is no reasonable case that using your power could have been counterproductive for your team). Therefore, if you, for some odd reason, want to make SURE you don't use an available power, you should PM me to that effect.

Night 2 Cop/ 1-shot Ninja
Night 3 Cop/ 1-shot Ninja
Night 2 Vig
Night 3 Vig
Odd Night Watcher
Even Night Watcher
Odd Night Tracker
Even Night Tracker
Night 1 Role Cop/ Night 3 Doc/ 1-shot Strongman
Even Night Doc/ 1-shot Strongman
Odd Night Roleblocker
Even Night Roleblocker
Voyeur/ Night 3 Jailkeeper
Even Night Jailkeeper

Role explanations:

Cop -- learns the alignment of the target Role Cop -- learns the role of the target Watcher -- learns who else, if anyone, targeted the target Tracker -- learns who, if anyone, the target targeted Doc -- target is immune to Night kills, subject to all other powers Roleblocker -- target may not use any powers, is still subject to other powers Jailkeeper -- target may neither use nor be affected by any powers Vig -- kills the target Strongman -- overrides all protections and roleblocks in order to kill target Ninja -- can't be seen by Watchers, Trackers, or Voyeurs The Strongman and Ninja powers are only usable if the player is performing the scum kill (i.e. they do not provide an extra kill in addition to the regular scum kill, and they don't work to make non-killing powers unblockable or undetectable). The Voyeur targets a player and learns what sort of actions, if any, they were targeted with on that night. Positive readings are as follows: Investigative (Cop, Watcher, Tracker, Role Cop) Protective (Doc) Roleblocking (Roleblocker) Killing (scum, Vigs) Players targeted by Jailkeepers will randomly read as either Protective or Roleblocking. Watchers, Trackers, and Voyeurs will be able to tell the difference between a negative result and being blocked. Order of operations: Jailkeeper Roleblocker Everything else Killing (IOW, a Jailkeeper can't be roleblocked, but a roleblocker can be jailkept; any other role can be blocked or jailkept)

I like this setup because everyone has a power but it isn’t overpowered. All those Watchers and Trackers, plus the nigh-inevitable eventual mass claim, force the scum to choose between making risky fake claims and using their powers only in plausibly town-motivated ways.

Usual rules, don’t screenshot your PM, random tiebreak, No Yeet is a valid vote, blah blah. Talk about whatever you like at Night. Please ask if you have any specific rules questions. Apologies to the Europeans but EoDs will be late evening US time.
Color, if any, will not be as good as last game.

Activity requirements: Five posts or one vote per Day. Offenders may be warned, modkilled, or subbed at my discretion.

1. Mahaloth
2. Santa Is Sad
3. TexCat
4. Dizzymrslizzy
5. Silverjan
6. Prof P
7. Archangel
8. Vanta Black
9. Pleonast
10. TheCatsMeow
11. Swammerdami
12. Colby11
13. Bashorian Clement

[Mahaloth]

/in

[Santa is Sad]

/in

[TexCat]

/in please

[Bashorian Clement]

/in

[Silverjan]

In please

[sturmhauke]

I'm gonna sit this one out. I got some final round interviews coming up that I need to prep for.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Good luck with those!

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

/in

Question, O Mod, are these roles (for example) one-shots for the Night only, or do they simply start that Night and continue to D5?

Night 2 Vig
Night 3 Vig

[Eristic Widgeon]

The powers are one-shots; they are good only on that specific night.

[Archangel]

In please.

[Vanta Black]

/In please

[Pleonast]

I love all-power games and would like to play.

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

The Voyeur targets a player and learns what sort of actions, if any, they were targeted with on that night.
Positive readings are as follows:
Investigative (Cop, Watcher, Tracker, Role Cop)
Protective (Doc)
Roleblocking (Roleblocker)
Killing (scum, Vigs)
Players targeted by Jailkeepers will randomly read as either Protective or Roleblocking.

Can you give us descriptions of the other powers? I can guess some of them, but it's better to have a definitive explanation of each of them. Especially when there's a lot of variation among game designers for some of these.

For example, can watchers detect trackers? Can trackers detect watchers? Can voyeurs be watched or tracked? Can a player use more than one power during a single Night? What's the difference between a role cop and a plain cop? Does a jailkeeper protect as well as block? Can one-shot powers be blocked? If yes, can they be tried again?

Also:

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

The Strongman and Ninja powers are only usable if the player is performing the scum kill.

I have no idea what these roles do.

I'm asking questions now since I'll be scum and won't want to draw suspicion during the game.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

I love all-power games and would like to play.

Can you give us descriptions of the other powers? I can guess some of them, but it's better to have a definitive explanation of each of them. Especially when there's a lot of variation among game designers for some of these.

For example, can watchers detect trackers? Can trackers detect watchers? Can voyeurs be watched or tracked? Can a player use more than one power during a single Night? What's the difference between a role cop and a plain cop? Does a jailkeeper protect as well as block? Can one-shot powers be blocked? If yes, can they be tried again?

Also:

I have no idea what these roles do.

I'm asking questions now since I'll be scum and won't want to draw suspicion during the game.

Welcome Pleo. I have edited the first post and I think I got all your questions.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

I love all-power games and would like to play.

Can you give us descriptions of the other powers? I can guess some of them, but it's better to have a definitive explanation of each of them. Especially when there's a lot of variation among game designers for some of these.

For example, can watchers detect trackers? Can trackers detect watchers? Can voyeurs be watched or tracked? Can a player use more than one power during a single Night? What's the difference between a role cop and a plain cop? Does a jailkeeper protect as well as block? Can one-shot powers be blocked? If yes, can they be tried again?

Also:

I have no idea what these roles do.

I'm asking questions now since I'll be scum and won't want to draw suspicion during the game.

Oh Pleo, you did make me laugh

[Vanta Black]

[TheCatsMeow]

Let me sign up in the right board lol please

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by TheCatsMeow

Let me sign up in the right board lol please

Lovely to have you back.

[Mahaloth]

If anyone has not updated current names and added their gender(or told us what pronoun to use), please feel free to do so on this spreadsheet.

It might be helpful to tell us any old mafia-sdmb-giraffe nicknames/screen-names you used before the one you have if you have changed it.

Here is the spreadsheet: It is, of course, entirely optional. But useful!

[Pleonast]

Can Scum choose to not kill?

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

No player can use more than one power on the same Night.

What happens if on Night Four the only remaining Scum is the Even Night Roleblocker? Can they choose which power to use?

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

Order of operations:
Jailkeeper
Roleblocker
Everything else
Killing

(IOW, a Jailkeeper can't be roleblocked, but a roleblocker can be jailkept; any other role can be blocked or jailkept)

I'm having trouble understanding this. Do you really mean the Jailkeeper can't be roleblocked? Or do you mean the Jailkept can't be roleblocked?

[Eristic Widgeon]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

Can Scum choose to not kill?

What happens if on Night Four the only remaining Scum is the Even Night Roleblocker? Can they choose which power to use?

Opening post amended. Scum may not choose to skip the kill. If there is only one scum left, they must kill every Night and cannot use any other powers (except Strongman or Ninja).

[Eristic Widgeon]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

I'm having trouble understanding this. Do you really mean the Jailkeeper can't be roleblocked? Or do you mean the Jailkept can't be roleblocked?

No, that's what I mean. If a roleblocker targets a jailkeeper, the roleblocking won't work. If they both target the same player, I guess they would both take effect, but the roleblocking would be redundant, since a jailkept player is already roleblocked.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Eristic Widgeon

No, that's what I mean. If a roleblocker targets a jailkeeper, the roleblocking won't work. If they both target the same player, I guess they would both take effect, but the roleblocking would be redundant, since a jailkept player is already roleblocked.

So a jailkeeper is immune to all other powers, since it's at the top of the order of ops list? And then a roleblocker is immune to all powers except for jailkeep, since that's the only power above it. And then everything else except killing powers are immune to killing powers, since killing powers are at the bottom of the list.

And the immunities are only the same Night they're using their power?

[Eristic Widgeon]

Any jailkeeping attempts are guaranteed to succeed regardless of any other powers used (except for the Strongman power). If a jailkeeper and any other power were to target each other, the jailkeeping will work and the other power won't. But a jailkeeper will still be affected by any powers used on them by players other than the player they are jailkeeping, they aren't "immune".

Analogously, all roleblocking attempts are guaranteed to succeed, unless the roleblocker is jailkept or their target is doing a Strongman kill. But roleblockers can still be affected by powers used by non-roleblocked players.

And other players aren't "immune" to killing powers, of course. The order of operations just means that any powers used by a player who is killed that night will still work.

[Santa is Sad]

A storm just fried our wifi and router so I can either sit out this game or play minimally for the two plus weeks it takes to get repairs here.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Yikes! Sorry to hear that. Use your own judgment about whether to play; it looks like we're not being exactly flooded with signups so far.

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Pfui, Santa! Take it easy if you can, and don't let it getcha down.

[Pleonast]

Thanks for trying to explain, but I'm still not quite getting it.

(1) Let's say Alice targets a jailkeep power at Betty, Betty targets a kill power at Charlotte, and Charlotte targets a roleblock power at Alice.

(2) Because of "the order of operations just means that any powers used by a player who is killed that night will still work", the potential kill of Charlotte cannot block Charlotte's power. So no matter happens, Charlotte's power will be activated.

(3) Because of "a jailkeeper will still be affected by any powers used on them by players other than the player they are jailkeeping, they aren't 'immune'", Charlotte's roleblock of Alice will take effect.

(4) Thus Alice's jailkeep of Betty is blocked. And Betty's kill of Charlotte will take effect.

Except, there's also "any jailkeeping attempts are guaranteed to succeed regardless of any other powers used", which seemingly contradicts paragraph (3). Can you walk through this scenario and explain how you arrive at the results?

[Bashorian Clement]

I'm out. I'm not going throught this.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

Thanks for trying to explain, but I'm still not quite getting it.

(1) Let's say Alice targets a jailkeep power at Betty, Betty targets a kill power at Charlotte, and Charlotte targets a roleblock power at Alice.

(2) Because of "the order of operations just means that any powers used by a player who is killed that night will still work", the potential kill of Charlotte cannot block Charlotte's power. So no matter happens, Charlotte's power will be activated.

(3) Because of "a jailkeeper will still be affected by any powers used on them by players other than the player they are jailkeeping, they aren't 'immune'", Charlotte's roleblock of Alice will take effect.

(4) Thus Alice's jailkeep of Betty is blocked. And Betty's kill of Charlotte will take effect.

Except, there's also "any jailkeeping attempts are guaranteed to succeed regardless of any other powers used", which seemingly contradicts paragraph (3). Can you walk through this scenario and explain how you arrive at the results?

The key is in the phrase order of operations. The jailkeeping order is processed first, so Betty's kill is blocked. Then the roleblocking order is processed , but too late -- the jailkeep is already in effect, so the roleblock fails. (However, Watchers, etc, would see Charlotte visiting Alice; if Alice had jailkept Charlotte directly, they would not).

Note that if Charlotte had directed literally any other power at Alice, Charlotte's power would have taken effect (and Betty still would have been jailkept). It's only in these jailkeep vs. roleblock situations that we need to consult the order of operations, in order to avoid paradoxical outcomes in situations like this.

[Eristic Widgeon]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

I'm out. I'm not going throught this.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

/in


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[Swammerdami]

/In

Originally Posted by Pleonast

I'm asking questions now since I'll be scum and won't want to draw suspicion during the game.

I'd vote you for that confession ... but I'm afraid I am also Scum.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Stop it. You know I’m the head scum!


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[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Wow, three Scum found and the game hasn't begun! This'll be easy.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Prof. Pepperwinkle

Wow, three Scum found and the game hasn't begun! This'll be easy.

Don't forget that you are scum too You are the extra one

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Don't forget that you are scum too You are the extra one

Jested like a true Scum.

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Calling all Mafia players!


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[Pleonast]

Thanks, Eristic Widgeon. I can’t say I understand the reasoning, but it’s clear enough how everything interacts.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

You know I’m the head scum!

Obvious fake claim.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Prof. Pepperwinkle

Jested like a true Scum.

[Colby11]

/in

With jokes around… like my participation lately

[Colby11]

And just like that,I killed the thread…

[Eristic Widgeon]

A scum confession! I'm going to bus him.

[Swammerdami]

The Mod said there were only 3 Scum, but four Scum have already confessed!?!?

[Swammerdami]

From the notations in #39 I deduce that Biotop is playing as Santa Is Sad. Is that correct?

I'm not sure if I've played with TheCatsMeow before.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Swammerdami

From the notations in #39 I deduce that Biotop is playing as Santa Is Sad. Is that correct?

@Santa is Sad

Is that right?

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Yeah, Santa's one of Biotop's many socks.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Swammerdami

The Mod said there were only 3 Scum, but four Scum have already confessed!?!?

I said Dizzymrslizzy’s claim was fake. If you can trust scum counter-claiming fake scum claims, I don’t know how you expect to get anywhere in this game.