Let's discuss Lulz and why he's a villager and why you really need to understand this.
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vote: lightfoot
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Is it because there's no big flashy case?
You are aware I could pull one out of my butt at will if I were scum, I hope.
I did mention some things about her N1 and/or D1 if you dig. Busy atm
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Pizza, I'm just gonna sheep you on Scathach if you don't mind. The aspects of your case I understand are the "scum hypocrisy" claim and the "trying to blend in" aspects you mention.
In that regard I would also have to FOS:Sooh for trying to blend in.
fos meeko for trying to fly under the radar. I don't think Meeko has done anything game related besides vote. All will be forgiven if you want to turn this game into a chat about final fantasy tactics though.
But anyway...
unvote:lightfoot
vote: scathach |
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@ Sario
Snip
What do you think about Obama importing Ebola into the U.S. so that Americans would get scared and allow their freedoms to be taken away?
@ Double A
Why do you think so many people are acting scummy?
@ Askthepizzaguy
Why do you think Bowser can't get knocked out of his shell but regular koopas can get knocked out of theirs?
@ SisterCoyote
which one of these people is scum...
(lightfoot, mahaloth, guiri)
@ idrinkthere4iam
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Bolding mine.
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Of the three people you name, I'm not currently getting a strong scum read off of any. However, if I had to list, from most to least...
Lightfoot (who I almost always think is Scum until I don't)
Mahaloth (ditto)
guiri (I'm not getting a scum read from him this game.)
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S.C. who's the scum on my wagon if you don't think it's any of those three? |
This is a villager.
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You keep asking this then ignoring the answer.
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If I may interject. Lightfoot accused me of dodging. Several people at this time have pointed out that I have answered all questions directed at me.
Am I to understand that you're not scumreading lightfoot? |
Lulz is not scum with scathach.
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it was post 43 in the Night thread
And this is the second time you have typed about me but not to me- Wouldn't MY answers give you more information than another player's 'take' on my words?
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You can sit in the corner until you're ready to get specific about the exact comments you want responses to. |
This is villagery.
This is attempting to solve. This is putting pressure. This is setting realistic expectations.
For everyone's protestations about how crap a player Lulz is, he's putting the rest of you to shame.
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1. not if it is in response to another blatant statement
2.You have deemed them suspicious- I don't it.
3.I had no bloody clue what it meant either - not a familiar term
Day ends in about 9.75 hours by my calculations
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For everyone following along these are the comments that lightfoot thought was very important.
Here is my response.
unvote:scathach
vote: lightfoot |
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THIS IS VILLAGERY.
It's villagery because it's in response to content Lightfoot was in control of.
The voting is dynamic, and is attempting to push a suspect and lynch a scum!
This is villaging! This is how village villages in a villagery manner!
It is villagery because he's trying to make something good happen for the town and explaining his reasons why, and he's not hanging back and letting others do the mislynching for him.
He's
pushing. Others are content to defecate out a vote and let it sit on someone all round like so much dog feces on a neighbor's front lawn.
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lulz:
Will you please explain to me, as though I were a very slow child, why lightfoot's lack of response to your point 4 is a scum tell? Because, right now, I'm not seeing it. Or, rather, if it's something else?
Also, I didn't know what V/LA is, either; it's not an abbreviation we've used on this board before.
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Of the four points presented the fourth one is the most important. Lightfoot somehow misses that to focus on...
1.Trying to get bogged down on the definition of rolefishing near the end of day
2.Another instance of trying to get bogged down when "I disagree" is ultimately going to be the end result
3. Defining V/LA.
I will point out though that ignoring point 4 was not the only slip. Lightfoot has been bringing up the fact that I've "dodged" her statements but completely ignores several things that should be important...
1) Once again I was on V/LA. Even after I explained V/LA and announced that I was being selective so I can't respond to everything. Since then I had forgotten the comment existed
2) She immediately accuses of dodging instead of taking into account maybe I hadn't seen them. Yes in this instance I was actually ignoring the comments (because of V/LA) but why is Lightfoot jumping to that conclusion first instead of considering that maybe I just didn't see it? However on this I will give leeway. It appears that jumping to conclusions without considering other perspectives is actually the norm here.
3) The comment is so innocuous that several other players couldn't even find it. This is why I was directly asking other players to comment on it. Because I literally had no clue what Lightfoot was talking about and none of the other respondents did either. |
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@ SisterCoyote
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Of the three people you name, I'm not currently getting a strong scum read off of any. However, if I had to list, from most to least...
Lightfoot (who I almost always think is Scum until I don't)
Mahaloth (ditto)
guiri (I'm not getting a scum read from him this game.)
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S.C. who's the scum on my wagon if you don't think it's any of those three? |
Solving questions!
Thread presence!
Follow-up!
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If we could lynch lightfoot that would be great. Double A is town.
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Taking stands!
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No new posts in 12 hours despite the slew of people logging in suggests both people getting run up are town.
When are we lynching lightfoot?
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This is really "scummy" behavior here, folks!
I'm just saying, he's acting like wayyyyyyyyyyyy more of a villager than youuuuuuuuuuuu!
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Game mechanics D1 are standard fodder while getting to know other players. I find it more productive than posting about horses , catheters,and other non game related bits. YMMV of course.
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Let's challenge this assertion.
Magic horses poop gold and fart rainbows.
Now let's look at some game mechanics discussion...
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Guiri I was referring to your 'jokes' in post #4 - I assumed they were tongue in cheek.
quoted from Guiri I didn't read it that way- but I see your point.
from the rules " Private Messages cannot be quoted, they must be paraphrased. "
So I will tread lightly ---- I saw that threats to Town had to be all dead- and didn't think to factor in possible non-Scum threats-
I guess we can let Scum sort that out we (I assume) need to take care of them all anyway.
It is us and them- what ever costume 'they' are wearing.
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You see, game mechanics discussion is wasting time and doesn't actually move the game forward. Game mechanics discussion provides everyone with just as much information as discussing magic horses. However while a discussion about magic horses is obviously not productive and nobody would pretend it is such, setup speculation can masquerade as a productive discussion and can be used to pretend to be busy when really you're not doing anything at all.
For example. How has lightfoot's "talking about game mechanics" moved the game forward? Has she used it to push a case or defend anyone? Has she used it to scumhunt? Has she done anything with it at all? No, but she's more than happy to use it as an excuse to make it seem like she's been productive this game when she really hasn't done much of anything at all.
I'm more than happy to stand corrected. If someone can point out how lightfoot has used "game mechanics" to move this game forward then I'd like to see it. Just like how nobody could pinpoint whatever important points it was that I was missing that lightfoot kept talking about, I think nobody will be able to find how lightfoot has used game mechanics to move the game forward. |
This sounds like a villager talking to me.
This sounds like content.
This sounds like someone who is invested in this game and their team.
Frankly
I'd rather lose to Lulz than let half of the alive players win this game at this point.
Do You C Why?
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Maybe I should just blind vote next time. That couldn't possibly make me appear Scummy. Shall we ask lulz how that tactic works? Everyone is trying to look reasonable. Don't agree with it, that's fine. But don't accuse me of being Scum because I'm backing up what I say. That's hypocritical.
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I'm fine with voting Scathach or Lightfoot.
@ idrinkthere4iam
If you wanna blind vote go ahead. Not sure why you think I have a problem with it. Maybe you should reference someone who actually mentioned that it's suspicious? |
Feels natural, flows. Interacts with people. Asks pertinent questions.
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I think anyone would agree that discussing game mechanics is more relevant, meaningful, and potentially useful, than flying horses. There could have been a handshake opportunity/slip with the wincon, some players may have had no idea about the expected number of scum, some may not have know about third parties or PFKs, some may have had useful or additional non-revealing information about the color. As for actually using the information discussed to make a case, I think that's an unfair expectation, and would be limited to scum slips, PIS or focus on mechanics over hunting scum...
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I disagree. Do we have five weak scum? For average powered scum? Three powerful scum? Do we have multiple scum teams or a serial killer? Nobody knows anything about the game mechanics except the scum team, the mods, and people with PR's. I just finished a game where the first post of the game talked about game mechanics, the third post of the game was a discussion about game mechanics, and then by the 10th post of the game one person was confirmed town and two more people were nearly confirmed to each other.
If game mechanics are important it would be proven very quickly. Otherwise it's just useless. It's absolutely fair to hold someone's feet to the fire to eliminate timewasting garbage that bogs down the town. |
Cites example.
Gives strong reasoning.
Makes a really, really important point about not wasting time.
Sense of Urgency. <---------------- WAY TOWNIER THAN HALF THE TOWN.
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@ Lulz, is discussing mechanics discussions doubly useless?  From your example I cannot tell if the semi- and full confirmations were a result, or independent, of the two mechanics posts. |
I understand your point. I just wanted to bloviate on what successful mechanical discussion looks like.
Lightfoot still scum because what kind of one shot vig doesn't shoot me if she's scumreading me that hard. |
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NOT AN UNREASONABLE POINT.
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If anyone has a problem with the points I'm making lemme know.
I just wanna know why THIS GUY is on so many people's need-to-die lists when he's town-telling way more than you are.
PARTICULARLY THE PEOPLE WHO KEEP BLOODY VOTING HIM.