Greek History Mafia D2

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I would not hold your breath.

I know- had to say it anyway-

If the same players follow the curve you guys will have another clue

[Sooh]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Lulz is still my number 1 suspect due to the shenanigans at day end. And if he's scum pizza and Guiri should probably go down too.
I'd rather

I'm curious what shenanigans you're referring to.

Originally Posted by Meeko

You can't solve anything on day one. Town would never have the motivation to post a synopsis of each players participation on day one, and compare it to some imaginary yard stick. It is something scum would do, and jf looks more and more like the setup for the scum master plan to come after.

Being "new" is just cover.

I'm not new to the game, not completely anyway. I am, however, new to the site and the players here. I'm not one to joke-vote anyone, and I also hate being wrong. I was trying to get more action/reaction, but I see that's not how it's done here.

You gunning for me though, that is suspicious. You voted Zeener early D1 and left your vote there. I don't know if you later found anything suspicious about him, because you never said. I sorta feel like you're gunning for me because people don't know me. I could be an easy lynch. It doesn't sit right with me.

There are several players who are in the same position like you, with not much content on D1. This is why making a decision between players was difficult for me. For my vote to have mattered it would have had to land on someone in the running for a lynch, and I didn't think neither Zeener nor Lulz were scum.



Call it OMGUS if you want, but you just made yourself stand out from that crowd.

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I know- had to say it anyway-

If the same players follow the curve you guys will have another clue

Follow the curve?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm glad I'm distracted elsewhere. Carry on.

Wake me when you're ready to lynch scumbags.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Before I go, lemme ask you this.

How many villagers are voting for lulz right now?

Just gimme a ballpark.

[Askthepizzaguy]

2? Maybe 3?

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by Sooh

I'm curious what shenanigans you're referring to.

You don't call the last minute wrangle to change lynch targets shenanigans ?


It doesn't happen often here a big shuffle at the end of the day. And when it does it's usually orchestrated by scum to save a teammates life except when pizza is involved it could mean anything....but Guiri being involved peaks my interest, and well I wanted Lulz dead anyway so I'm disappointed we couldn't do that yesterday.

Let's add to my reasons for wanting Lulz dead:
- he called Dario out as scum and didn't explain it.
- He's voting Lightfoot today with no explanation.
- he ignores direct questions to him.

He's not playing for any team. It's disgusting

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Pizza. Just tell me. How has lulz contributed to town. If he was any other player you'd be raking him over the coals

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Pizza. Just tell me. How has lulz contributed to town. If he was any other player you'd be raking him over the coals

He's made reads and tried to lynch his suspects.

By the way, even if he was the worst townie in the universe, which he ain't, he'd still be a townie, so lynching him is worse than lynching a scumbag.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do me one big fat favor.

If lulz is lynched, and he is. And he's a villager, which he is 95% of the time here.

Then I tried to stop 2 villagers from being dead at all, and voted for someone nooooooooooooooobody wants to lynch with me.

So, day three? You're lynching Scathach and we're not discussing anything else.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I am wrong on lulz I will politely eat my hat, moustache, and monocle I keep waving around at people.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Is it because there's no big flashy case?

You are aware I could pull one out of my butt at will if I were scum, I hope.

I did mention some things about her N1 and/or D1 if you dig. Busy atm

[BillMc]

Originally Posted by lulz

Why did you vote me over zeener?

Neither case was particularly convincing, but I dislike no-lynch on Day1 as it just means Day2 is a repeat of Day1 with a lack of information. I chose you due to Pizza's posturing and wanted to see if he jumped the way I thought he would, as I previously said in D1#242



Anyway...both Guiri and Pizza don't want Lulz to swing

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I'm not lynching either lulz or Double A, the "cases" on both are ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Unless Zeener moves his vote that's my default to not lynch Double A or lulz.

I have no passion for Zeener one way or the other but it's better than two town reads. Zeener moves his vote to someone else I might forget him as an option.

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

My villagers are voting for Zeener and I've got nothing on him.

I break the tie in favour of Lulz

Guiri think's he is breaking the tie in favour of Zeener

Guiri posts "FFS!" - so his position is "lynch zeener or no lynch" as he could have unvoted zeener if his position was solely to break the stalement.

Pizza votes Zeener...then 2 minutes later adds the caveat

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

BillMc's vote move was my trigger. I wasn't planning on moving until I saw his vote.

So Pizza's position is "no lynch or not lulz"

Originally Posted by guiri

Bill, why did you not participate in the actual discussion before EoD?

Been of on my travels, such is the life of a Greek. I thought EOD was 11am my time, but was 10am, so didn't have time to post anything of consequence apart from breaking the tie.

Admittedly I was rather surprised that both Pizza and yourself were on line at that time - didn't think D1 lynches were really that important to justify a late late night or an early early morning.


Anyway, off to have a read....back at some point....

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Is it because there's no big flashy case?

You are aware I could pull one out of my butt at will if I were scum, I hope.

I did mention some things about her N1 and/or D1 if you dig. Busy atm

Pizza, I'm just gonna sheep you on Scathach if you don't mind. The aspects of your case I understand are the "scum hypocrisy" claim and the "trying to blend in" aspects you mention.

In that regard I would also have to FOS:Sooh for trying to blend in.

fos meeko for trying to fly under the radar. I don't think Meeko has done anything game related besides vote. All will be forgiven if you want to turn this game into a chat about final fantasy tactics though.

But anyway...
unvote:lightfoot
vote: scathach

[lulz]

@Sario



What do you think about Obama importing Ebola into the U.S. so that Americans would get scared and allow their freedoms to be taken away?

@Double A
Why do you think so many people are acting scummy?

@Askthepizzaguy

Why do you think Bowser can't get knocked out of his shell but regular koopas can get knocked out of theirs?



@SisterCoyote

which one of these people is scum...

(lightfoot, mahaloth, guiri)

@idrinkthere4iam
Why is Pixels such a terrible film?

[SisterCoyote]

Of the three people you name, I'm not currently getting a strong scum read off of any. However, if I had to list, from most to least...

Lightfoot (who I almost always think is Scum until I don't)
Mahaloth (ditto)
guiri (I'm not getting a scum read from him this game.)

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by lulz

@idrinkthere4iam
Why is Pixels such a terrible film?

Haven't seen it. So couldn't say.

[guiri]

@Scathach, I found lulz' naked vote with no other contribution to be scummy. When it was pointed out that this is how he played in the last game, I remembered and promptly unvoted. I find the behavior suspicious but clearly, in lulz' case, not a valid scum tell, I expect if I'll vote for similar behavior if I see it again by another player, at least to get an explanation for the vote and some engagement. I did not vote lulz for a grudge, or out of frustration with his play.

I must admit it's curious to see Zeener post from the grave, as it were, it's not often we get to hear from the dead.

Double A claims his vote on Drinkie was a joke, and I can believe that, but the reason I voted him yesterday was his squirming about picking on Drinkie only. Again, pointing out that the original vote was a joke does not explain why he commented on Scathach's page 1 post as a reason for not voting her.



@ Sister Coyote, are you voting lulz for something he posted D1 regarding Zeener, before the reveal?

Archangel, Sario did post his thoughts on players, as did Sooh, but also avoided voting, or am I misremembering? As for your suspicions of me, what was I trying to do? Simply muddy the waters? I'd kept my vote on Double A, I'd previous voted lulz (for which Scathach finds me suspicious), and I moved to Zeener to avoid a tie, that's it, I think no lynch, even on D1, gets us nowhere.

Similar question for Dizzy, I could have voted Zeener at any time of protecting lulz was my sole goal, why wait till EoD?

@ Meeko, let us know when you get around to reading D1, I don't see a great mystery about why Zeener got lynched.

/oog takes 5+ minutes to load the thread, if it succeeds, feels like being back on the 90's on a 14.4 dial-up.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Haven't seen it. So couldn't say.

Sandler.

I haven't seen it either.


When "Ready Player One" gets a release date, let me know.

[Meeko]

Are we voting Lulz, or holding a meta game grudge?

There are no worthwhile cases in day 1, so I could re-read day one 0 - 100 times.

I'm thinking the former on that one.

[guiri]

Dizzy, you must have seen my wow on Zeener, why insist that lulz didn't explain his Sario vote of reply? Holding a grudge does not help us.

Bill, on my phone it took me a couple of minutes to compose that tiny vote post, when I saw the cross-post I figured we were tied again and Day was over, it didn't even occur to me to unvote as I was sure I'd miss the deadline. My vote was on Double A, that's who I wanted to lynch, I'd previously voted Lulz for his vote/post but had been reminded it was a null tell for him, and my only goal was to break the tie.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

At this point I'm voting on play this game and has nothing to do with my feelings towards him. If I felt that my grudge was compromising my game I would have asked for a sub.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Also at this point finding out Lulz's alignment Will give us some data. Right now we need some more data.

[SisterCoyote]

@guiri, I can't find the post that provoked that vote now.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by guiri

Archangel, Sario did post his thoughts on players, as did Sooh, but also avoided voting, or am I misremembering? As for your suspicions of me, what was I trying to do? Simply muddy the waters? I'd kept my vote on Double A, I'd previous voted lulz (for which Scathach finds me suspicious), and I moved to Zeener to avoid a tie, that's it, I think no lynch, even on D1, gets us nowhere.

Unless I'm mistaken Sario did not post thoughts on players, but just posted some confusion and a few questions. His posts strike me as trying to look like participating without really participating, whereas Sooh posted her thoughts on all players, even if she didn't commit. I'm second-guessing myself on Sario though because I don't think scum would stick their neck out by totally avoiding voting.

guiri, I reread end of day and I'm inclined to believe you, having seen you move your vote with town motivation before. Out of the three of you, Pizza looks the scummiest on the reread. I have a bad habit of giving players who ALWAYS look scummy to me a pass, and Pizza is one of those.

Idrinkthere4Iam and DoubleA bother me the most, though. Their votes were the start of the slide downhill for Zeener. I feel fairly certain that at least one of them is scum. I'm tempted to change my vote to DoubleA because at one point DoubleA looked like a possible contender for lynch but his bandwagon didn't take off. Scum are eager to hop on to a halfway reasonable bandwagon unless it's one of their own.

I don't think Scathach is scum, and I don't think Lightfoot is either.

[Sooh]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

You don't call the last minute wrangle to change lynch targets shenanigans ?


It doesn't happen often here a big shuffle at the end of the day. And when it does it's usually orchestrated by scum to save a teammates life except when pizza is involved it could mean anything....but Guiri being involved peaks my interest, and well I wanted Lulz dead anyway so I'm disappointed we couldn't do that yesterday.

Let's add to my reasons for wanting Lulz dead:
- he called Dario out as scum and didn't explain it.
- He's voting Lightfoot today with no explanation.
- he ignores direct questions to him.

He's not playing for any team. It's disgusting

Ok I see what you're saying about shenanigans, and that was also what I thought you meant. I just wanted to hear you say it.

To me lulz reads like someone who wants to stir the pot and get reactions. He doesn't care if he comes across looking scummy. I mean, going from a D1 almost lynch because of a single vote at the start of the day to starting D2 the same way? To me that's a whole lot of bad attention for mafia to be garnering. I don't know lulz. He may be just that kind of ballsy mafia player. It's impossible for me to say. So far I don't have any bad vibes about him.

Both when he called Dario and Lightfoot scum though he went back on his votes. That's why I read it as trying to get reactions.

I'm not sure what direct questions he has ignored. Could you point those out?

[Sooh]

I'll ask again, because the only one who bothered responding last time I asked was Pizza.

How does everyone feel about Mahaloth?

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Sooh

I'll ask again, because the only one who bothered responding last time I asked was Pizza.

How does everyone feel about Mahaloth?

I see Mahaloth being Mahaloth. He's another player I usually find scummy (who isn't scum most of the time).

[Sooh]

Originally Posted by Archangel

I see Mahaloth being Mahaloth. He's another player I usually find scummy (who isn't scum most of the time).

So there's nothing to tell you either way? Seems difficult. I already talked about him a bit, and seeing as he hasn't posted much more my view hasn't changed.

[Sario]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Unless I'm mistaken Sario did not post thoughts on players, but just posted some confusion and a few questions. His posts strike me as trying to look like participating without really participating, whereas Sooh posted her thoughts on all players, even if she didn't commit. I'm second-guessing myself on Sario though because I don't think scum would stick their neck out by totally avoiding voting.

It's actually a case of trying to participate and be a good player, and failing.

As for my thoughts on players:

Pizza: He seems to be playing town pretty strongly, but considering its Pizza, he could still be scum.

lulz: His play is somewhat confusing, and to be honest, a little aggravating. But he's getting reactions from people, and Town needs all the info we can get.

As for everyone one else, I need to read some more.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Sooh

How does everyone feel about Mahaloth?

I like him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Name 3 villagers you actually think are villagers and you're not waffling on.

Then name 3 candidates for scum that aren't lulz.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Do me one big fat favor.

If lulz is lynched, and he is. And he's a villager, which he is 95% of the time here.

Then I tried to stop 2 villagers from being dead at all, and voted for someone nooooooooooooooobody wants to lynch with me.

So, day three? You're lynching Scathach and we're not discussing anything else.

I'm not against lynching scathach, really. I just think lulz is scum.

What do you mean he is town 95% of the time here? He's only played one prior game here and he was Town. All of us are town most of the time, but hardly 95%. I am not sure the percentage, but isn't it more like 80-85% that anyone gets a town role?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I'm not against lynching scathach, really. I just think lulz is scum.

What do you mean he is town 95% of the time here? He's only played one prior game here and he was Town. All of us are town most of the time, but hardly 95%. I am not sure the percentage, but isn't it more like 80-85% that anyone gets a town role?

I'm confident, without having a peek on him. I detailed why.

In every other circumstance I'd link you to it, but I literally have to sleep. I am sorry.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If he's scum then the scums really wanted to throw him under the bus today, and yesterday, because seriously, no one is pushing anything else.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

Of the three people you name, I'm not currently getting a strong scum read off of any. However, if I had to list, from most to least...

Lightfoot (who I almost always think is Scum until I don't)
Mahaloth (ditto)
guiri (I'm not getting a scum read from him this game.)

S.C. who's the scum on my wagon if you don't think it's any of those three?

[Double A]

Originally Posted by lulz

@Double A
Why do you think so many people are acting scummy?

Because they're all evil robots.

@Askthepizzaguy

Why do you think Bowser can't get knocked out of his shell but regular koopas can get knocked out of theirs?

Speaking as someone who has played as Bowser in a mafia game before, it's because that shell has memory foam all inside it. It's way too fucking comfy to leave. You'd have to throw him in lava to get him out of it.

@idrinkthere4iam
Why is Pixels such a terrible film?

The real question is why did Dinklage consent?

Originally Posted by guiri

@Scathach, I found lulz' naked vote with no other contribution to be scummy. When it was pointed out that this is how he played in the last game, I remembered and promptly unvoted. I find the behavior suspicious but clearly, in lulz' case, not a valid scum tell, I expect if I'll vote for similar behavior if I see it again by another player, at least to get an explanation for the vote and some engagement. I did not vote lulz for a grudge, or out of frustration with his play.

Oh, you mean his debate-provoking vote? How was that even scummy in the first place? It seemed pretty smart to me.

I must admit it's curious to see Zeener post from the grave, as it were, it's not often we get to hear from the dead.

Yeah, but he dun goofed. I'm just glad he didn't say anything that broke the game balance.

Double A claims his vote on Drinkie was a joke, and I can believe that, but the reason I voted him yesterday was his squirming about picking on Drinkie only. Again, pointing out that the original vote was a joke does not explain why he commented on Scathach's page 1 post as a reason for not voting her.

What half-assed definition of flinch are you even using? Seriously, I have no idea what I did that could even be remotely considered a flinch. The same goddamn thing happened a few games ago, I got lynched for it, and I still don't know why.

/oog takes 5+ minutes to load the thread, if it succeeds, feels like being back on the 90's on a 14.4 dial-up.

You can change posts per page somewhere in the control panel cause this is a BBCode forum. That should help some.

Originally Posted by Sooh

Ok I see what you're saying about shenanigans, and that was also what I thought you meant. I just wanted to hear you say it.

To me lulz reads like someone who wants to stir the pot and get reactions. He doesn't care if he comes across looking scummy. I mean, going from a D1 almost lynch because of a single vote at the start of the day to starting D2 the same way? To me that's a whole lot of bad attention for mafia to be garnering. I don't know lulz. He may be just that kind of ballsy mafia player. It's impossible for me to say. So far I don't have any bad vibes about him.

Both when he called Dario and Lightfoot scum though he went back on his votes. That's why I read it as trying to get reactions.

I'm not sure what direct questions he has ignored. Could you point those out?

I have to agree about Lulz. He's getting a hell of a lot of reactions, so I'd say this strategy is working. Even if he gets lynched for it, hopefully it'll bear fruit. Also, it seems pretty unlikely that he'd be mafia. I wouldn't vote for him because I appreciate what he's doing, but it's easy to mistake his energy and shit for scummyness because it just looks so stupid. If he's stupid, though, then so is Pizza, because he does the same damn thing.

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Name 3 villagers you actually think are villagers and you're not waffling on.

Lulz, Sooh, and BillMc

Then name 3 candidates for scum that aren't lulz.

Originally Posted by lulz

(lightfoot, mahaloth, guiri)

do I win

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I like him.

You're snuggling yourself so much, I'd swear you were in a straightjacket.

[LightFoot]

posting because I was thinking about it
time line~
guiri votes lulz post 41
Meeko votes Zeener post 63

At post 152 lulz and Double A were tied 3/3

guiri votes Double A post 197
lulz votes Zeener post 180
idrink votes Zeener post 205
Double A votes Zeener post 209
guiri votes Zeener post 236 ( to break the tie )
Bill votes Zeener post 237 ( to break the tie )

curses tied again

Pizza votes Zeener post 238 - to push it over


. Pizza,lulz and Double A all smell bad to me- they can’t all be Scum ( can they?) - with Pizza in the mix we can’t rule anything out.

[LightFoot]

NETA- screwed that up Bill voted lulz 237 to break the tie

[LightFoot]

I don't edit I feel it is bad form - YMMV

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by Double A

[
What half-assed definition of flinch are you even using? Seriously, I have no idea what I did that could even be remotely considered a flinch. The same goddamn thing happened a few games ago, I got lynched for it, and I still don't know why.

You keep asking this then ignoring the answer.

Originally Posted by guiri

Scathach asked why you only voted Drinkie for non-participation when she too had been missing, your defence was that she had been participating since she posted on the first page of the thread. Her post came after your vote so that cannot possibly have been the reason you didn't vote or mention her so it's clear that you went back and invented a reason in response to the pressure, and have been caught telling a lie.

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

You keep asking this then ignoring the answer.

Also, confusingly, he doesn't say flinch in that post at all so I'm not even sure why you're talking about definitions of words that weren't used

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Meeko

You're snuggling yourself so much, I'd swear you were in a straightjacket.

You wish. Stop hitting on me.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

You keep asking this then ignoring the answer.

If I may interject. Lightfoot accused me of dodging. Several people at this time have pointed out that I have answered all questions directed at me.

Am I to understand that you're not scumreading lightfoot?

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by lulz

If I may interject. Lightfoot accused me of dodging. Several people at this time have pointed out that I have answered all questions directed at me.

Am I to understand that you're not scumreading lightfoot?

Is this a scummy consistency argument?

I have Lightfoot down as mildly scummy along with guiri and maha for yesterday's vote. (Although guiri, as he noted before, did unvote after it was pointed out).

Originally Posted by Scáthach

Maha, LightFoot and guiri are all a bit oogy to me because of voting for lulz for the same exact thing he did in the last game when he was town (which they all played in).

If you're just asking if I find Lightfoot scummy for accusing you of dodging, then honestly I hadn't really noticed her doing it, if anything dizzy was the one who keeps saying you weren't answering questions (when in fact you had).

Sent from my YOGA Tablet 2-1050F using Tapatalk

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by lulz

If I may interject. Lightfoot accused me of dodging. Several people at this time have pointed out that I have answered all questions directed at me.

Am I to understand that you're not scumreading lightfoot?

it was post 43 in the Night thread

And this is the second time you have typed about me but not to me- Wouldn't MY answers give you more information than another player's 'take' on my words?

[lulz]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

it was post 43 in the Night thread

And this is the second time you have typed about me but not to me- Wouldn't MY answers give you more information than another player's 'take' on my words?

You can sit in the corner until you're ready to get specific about the exact comments you want responses to.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by lulz

You can sit in the corner until you're ready to get specific about the exact comments you want responses to.

D1 I responded to one of your posts #210 no big deal but you didn't have anything to say in return- initially I thought it was a subject you wanted to discuss-

It doesn't really matter and there is no need to be snippy- what colour of rope do you prefer?

[Double A]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

You keep asking this then ignoring the answer.

It was a joke vote. I provided a joke reason. And then I thought of a funnier joke, so I edited my post and used that one instead. Now my posts are devoid of jokes because apparently that's not how things are done around here.

I'm still utterly failing to see how this is lying, flinching, or squirming, quite similarly to how you are failing to see what a joke is.

Originally Posted by Scáthach

Also, confusingly, he doesn't say flinch in that post at all so I'm not even sure why you're talking about definitions of words that weren't used

I read squirm as flinch because someone else said flinch.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

1. not if it is in response to another blatant statement
2.You have deemed them suspicious- I don't it.
3.I had no bloody clue what it meant either - not a familiar term

Day ends in about 9.75 hours by my calculations

For everyone following along these are the comments that lightfoot thought was very important.

Here is my response.
unvote:scathach
vote: lightfoot