A Wizards True Name - Night 1

[Red Skeezix]

During a day of much debate and bickering, the assembled sorcerers discussed how best to use their powers to divine the murderer of their MC. They firmly decided yes they should use their powers to discover the identities of those who might be perpetrators of this heinous crime. And the most efficient way would be to kill someone and divine the mysteries from their entrails, well extrails.

The votes were tied at the end: Gnarly 6, Zuma 6. This made the wizards feel a bit hasty and not so eager to shed blood just yet.

No one was lynched on Day 1.

Random org tie results (if number > 90, both would have died) Random Integer Generator Here are the numbers, generated with randomization based on persistent identifier zuma v gnarlycharlie: 41

Note, the rules contain an error. The night will be 48 hours to allow for the amount of potential night actions. All actions must be submitted with a timestamp no later than 3/11/2015 at 6:59 pm EDT.

Reminder: Strategy is allowed for all teams at Night.

[Mahaloth]

OK, can we get a comprehensive list of name claims and investigation claims so we can organize them?

[Giraffe]

Continued from Day thread:

Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie

what do you want, an actual name?

Read post #212. I asked you to tell me the third letter of your name.

[TexCat]

Does anyone else want to claim to be Ito? So far we have me, BillMc, and Scathach. I suggest that Bill, as the towniest, should determine the investigations in our circle.

[zuma]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Does anyone else want to claim to be Ito? So far we have me, BillMc, and Scathach. I suggest that Bill, as the towniest, should determine the investigations in our circle.

I remain opposed to name claims. I worry scum's investigative abilities might allow them to discover their first names.

And since when is Bill the "towniest"????

[Mahaloth]

I can take gnarly or guiri since my name is, I think, closest to theirs. Has either been claimed yet?

[Colby11]

Apologies for not posting

And I still disagree about revealing anything.

[Swammerdami]

I think we should continue to do partial name claims (and perhaps associated challenges) during this Night. If someone in Guiri's name circle is NightKilled it will be too late to challenge others in the circle to see if they really know the name.

Here are the name claims so far:

ITO:
BillMc, Texcat, Scathach

3 letters with R and no I,T,O
Swammi

3 letters with R + one of I,T,O
Guiri, Gnarlycharlie, Chaos, giraffe (R first)

3 letters with R
Mahaloth, Mrs McGinty

3 letters
Bufftabby, Lightfoot

Provided no info
Visorslash, Zuma, Sister Coyote, Dizzymrslizzy, Colby11

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

The following Investigations are subject to change as more name claims occur toNight. But let's put something "on paper" for clarity.

Investigations:
Chaos investigates Guiri
Guiri investigates Gnarly
Gnarly investigates Chaos
Zuma investigates Mahaloth
Texcat investigates Scathach

Chaos investigates giraffe
giraffe investigates Guiri
Scathach investigates BillMc
BillMc investigates Texcat
Bufftabby investigates Lightfoot
Lightfoot investigates Bufftabby
Mahaloth investigate Mrs McGinty
Mrs McGinty investigates Swammi
Swammi investigates Zuma

(I've italicised announcements from the Day thread, changing one to squeeze giraffe into a circle. Subject to change as those providing minimal info -- Mahaloth, Bufftabby, etc. -- provide more info.)

[LightFoot]

A investigating B AND B investigating A would be redundant. unless A or B is strongly thought to be Scum?
or am I too tired and stressed to post?

[Swammerdami]

I don't think it's completely redundant, but you're right that
A→B→C→A
would be better.
If you, Lightfoot, are willing to state whether you're in Swammi's clique, Mahaloth's clique, or another clique altogether, and others do the same, we can come up with a better investigation schedule.

[LightFoot]

so far we have

players that are not saying
players with an r without an i -or-t-or-o
players with an r with an i-or-t-or-o
subset with a player with an R at the beginning
and- players named Ito

because of past experience I feel that if I say I have a q and a player ends up revealed as Town ( therefore a lynch or NK) with a q in their name that any player with said claimed q will be the lynch target for Town the next Day-

not saying I won't - later in game- but not this early

we already know that more than 2 have claimed the same first name- I don't have that one

Bill was the first to claim Ito ( probably Town- if Scum was not given cover)

Giraffe was first to claim R as first letter (a tad less but still probably Town- if Scum was not given cover)



everyone else cautious- as I am- so nothing there

[guiri]

Why would another player with Q become a lynch target? If anything they'd be a target for a NK if they'd managed to post a unique clue regarding their name. Later in the game means nothing because you'll have reveals, investigation results, claims and so on to give you a foolproof claim. Day and Night 1, unless scum have cover roles, are the only times that Town are the only players to know their first names.

Giraffe, I'm glad you found my reference.

Swammi, I'm OK with the proposed changes to the investigations, I will investigate Gnarly.

[LightFoot]

Guiri- for the investigations to hold water- for either side I suppose-- in theory every Scum has a Town 'twin'-in my little brain- so if a Town has a q and they are removed then any other player with a q would be the possible twin ie Scum- because Town usually lynches more people that Scum does

why a NK since Scum don't know what their first name is?

[BillMc]

Originally Posted by zuma

I remain opposed to name claims. I worry scum's investigative abilities might allow them to discover their first names.

And if they know their own first names, then what?

The only 'power' in the rules they have related to names is a day kill - and they are hardly going to use that on themselves.

Either you know more than you are letting on, or are way off base.

[Swammerdami]

I'm glad guiri and giraffe found a way to confirm each other's names without letting Scum guess what that name is. Perhaps Gnarlycharlie should find a subtle hint that lets others in his clique know he knows the name without giving Scum more clues.

Remember: It is urgent we do these name confirmations during this cycle. After Dawn, Scum will know another name and be better able to hide.

@ Mahaloth, Mrs McGinty : Does your R name, like mine, have no I, T or O? If so, I hope you post a subtle hint about the name (no need to give away a letter) so we're confident we've the same name.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by BillMc

And if they know their own first names, then what?

The only 'power' in the rules they have related to names is a day kill - and they are hardly going to use that on themselves.

Either you know more than you are letting on, or are way off base.

only a wild guess investigation would give Scum their personal first name . but if all Town posts theirs they will knowa the options of same - some options are ok to help Town but maybe not all?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Guiri- for the investigations to hold water- for either side I suppose-- in theory every Scum has a Town 'twin'-in my little brain- so if a Town has a q and they are removed then any other player with a q would be the possible twin ie Scum- because Town usually lynches more people that Scum does

why a NK since Scum don't know what their first name is?

I realise you're just putting any argument together for the sake of buying time, any excuse not to reveal your name will do for now but I'll entertain you... If both players share unique clues about their first name on Day 1, the chance of one of them being scum is actually quite tiny - short of scum having cover roles and therefore the entire thing is moot. If you have 5 letters, with a Q starting with R and someone else has 5 letters with a Q ending with Z, when Riqaz 1.0 turns up dead, Riqaz 2.0 is as good as confirmed Town.

[Swammerdami]

Those thinking that partial name claims will do no good, that Red has balanced the game to prevent such, may have it exactly backwards. We could have a largish number of Scum, with the partial name claims the only way for Town to get balance.

And, if the claims do give Town a big advantage, does that mean we should pass up the chance? I recall a game at IdleMafia a year ago or so where Town could win easily with similar name claims, but Town procrastinated, not thinking the game could be so easily broken, and the game dragged on and on with even the Mod abandoning it!

I think my Lynch votes for the duration will be directed against those refusing to offer hints to their names.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Heterometrus swammerdami

@ Mahaloth, Mrs McGinty : Does your R name, like mine, have no I, T or O? If so, I hope you post a subtle hint about the name (no need to give away a letter) so we're confident we've the same name.

Subtle hint.

Anyway, I am leaving my investigation where it is for now because everyone else in my category is being investigated already.

[gnarlycharlie]

i can investigate Giraffe if no one else is.

[zuma]

Originally Posted by BillMc

And if they know their own first names, then what?

The only 'power' in the rules they have related to names is a day kill - and they are hardly going to use that on themselves.

Either you know more than you are letting on, or are way off base.

Then this: To have a successful investigation, both parties must have the same first and last name. If scum discover their first names, then it follows that they would target those with the same first names for night kills. It increases the odds of them eliminating someone who could uncover them in an investigation.

I'll allow I might be off base, if so please educate me.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie

i can investigate Giraffe if no one else is.

I was going to, but isn't Chaos?

[BillMc]

For scum *a* scum to discover their first name, they would need to have a successful investigation....so say there are 4 scum - town have 13 investigations tonight, scum have 1....their nk will be a shot in the dark, as will the investigation. If they are luck with the investigation, then yes, they have potentially a 'better' candidate for a nk. But within 2 nights, town has the potential of 24 investigations - if used well, could provide a lot of information.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by guiri

I realise you're just putting any argument together for the sake of buying time, any excuse not to reveal your name will do for now but I'll entertain you... If both players share unique clues about their first name on Day 1, the chance of one of them being scum is actually quite tiny - short of scum having cover roles and therefore the entire thing is moot. If you have 5 letters, with a Q starting with R and someone else has 5 letters with a Q ending with Z, when Riqaz 1.0 turns up dead, Riqaz 2.0 is as good as confirmed Town.

unique ( as in not stated by anyone prior)- I give you quarter there.

but we are not seeing much of that here.

You like to chew on legs- It has been my caution all game and I am not the only one in that boat. - at least I am trying to share my thought process

Night has a few hours left
no death reveals yet so there is time -

I have left clues to my name before being asked- and now I have to go to work

[Giraffe]

Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie

i can investigate Giraffe if no one else is.

According to the proposed list, you're supposed to investigate Chaos.

And can I take it that you're opting not to answer my question to confirm that you actually know your name? Can you confirm the clues guiri and I put out there around her N0 post?

[Swammerdami]

Originally Posted by Heterometrus swammerdami

Subtle hint.

Anyway, I am leaving my investigation where it is for now because everyone else in my category is being investigated already.

I'm not sure what "subtle hint" means: are you trying to prove to those in your clique that you are in their clique and know what your name is?

And what does "my investigation where it is" mean? Do you disagree that we should tell each other who we're investigating?

[Mrs McGinty]

Hmm... I've been assuming that first and second names are drawn from two separate banks, but what if they're not? What would it mean for the approach we've taken if one player's first name could be another player's second name?

[zuma]

I've PM'd the mod for a Mahaloth investigation. Done deal for me.

[Chaos]

I've already sent out the PM to investigate Giraffe.

I'd highly encourage that everyone follow the order that was already established. Switching around now will only give scum the chance to slip through the cracks.

[Giraffe]

I've PM'd my guiri investigation.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

God I'm sorry. I completely forgot about this game. I've had a week from hell. Catching up now!

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Okay I've caught up. What a hot mess. I am actually surprised by the players that are suggesting a mass claim. I'm not totally against what has been claimed and will add my own to the table.

I belong in this pile:
3 letters with R + one of I,T,O

I'm dead serious, and sorry Bill for my N0 comment about the Pleo Mind meld....I have um really shirked my responsibilities in this game. I didn't read the rules before posting in the N0 thread and had absolutely no clue what was going on. The comment was supposed to be funny anyway. Anyway, I'm 100% caught up now, and I'm active now! I apologize across the board!

So does that leave Gnarly for me to investigate? Going back to the list to look again.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

okay so I see the three of you (Gnarly, Chaos, Giraffe, Guiri) are investigating each other. Can we shift it a little so we can get another round of investigations in between me and another. I don't care who I investigate.

[Chaos]

You might fit between guiri and charlie, granted that they have not sent their investigations in yet. I'd hold off until you have confirmation from them.

[Chaos]

Also I think I found guiri's hint, which for now makes both him and giraffe seem very town to me.

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Heterometrus swammerdami

Texcat investigates Scathach
Scathach investigates BillMc
BillMc investigates Texcat

I guess we're not getting any more Ito claims.

I'm going with this and submitting my Scathach investigation.

[guiri]

Dizzy, you can investigate Gnarly and then I'll investigate you

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Sounds good.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Okay so not that that's all straightened out....

Do we have a plan on how we are revealing our investigation results. I don't know if we're going to be able to believe many of them until they are at least double checked, since it would be easy for Scum to lie about their results.

[gnarlycharlie]

Originally Posted by Giraffe

According to the proposed list, you're supposed to investigate Chaos.

And can I take it that you're opting not to answer my question to confirm that you actually know your name? Can you confirm the clues guiri and I put out there around her N0 post?

okay. i'll investigate Chaos. as for guiri's N0 hint, i thought i saw it but your comment threw me off.

[Giraffe]

Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie

okay. i'll investigate Chaos. as for guiri's N0 hint, i thought i saw it but your comment threw me off.

Ignore my comment, then. Give me/us some hint that you know what your name is, and that you know how guiri told me what her name is. Ideally without giving the name away, although at this point I'd rather catch scum by forcing you to demonstrate that you don't know your name than continue dancing around this particular maypole.

[guiri]

FWIW I'm still a he, carry on!

[LightFoot]

I see no downside ( at this time) in telling you that I will investigate BuffT as suggested
( unless that base has been covered)

[gnarlycharlie]

Originally Posted by Giraffe

Ignore my comment, then. Give me/us some hint that you know what your name is, and that you know how guiri told me what her name is. Ideally without giving the name away, although at this point I'd rather catch scum by forcing you to demonstrate that you don't know your name than continue dancing around this particular maypole.

i'm not sure how i can do that. but for now it will take my death to tear my name from me.

Originally Posted by guiri

FWIW I'm still a he, carry on!

right, rest assured i knew you are a he.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Guiri, don't you know only chicks drink Guinness

[Giraffe]

Originally Posted by guiri

FWIW I'm still a he, carry on!

Goddamnit, I swear we have this conversation every game. Sorry about that, I'm a dumb-dumb.

[Swammerdami]

On boards which display user gender with each post, I'm Swammerdami.

For this board, I give my name a prefix starting with "He" to make my gender apparent.

[LightFoot]

who was it that used gender neutral to a fault?

not really a fault but it did annoy some.

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by TexCat

I guess we're not getting any more Ito claims.

I'm going with this and submitting my Scathach investigation.

I've submitted my BillMc investigation.

Originally Posted by LightFoot

who was it that used gender neutral to a fault?

not really a fault but it did annoy some.

Think that was Flying Squid with Goggles. I didn't mind it myself.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie

i'm not sure how i can do that.

Well, you could start using proper punctuation!

I'm confident Gnarly shares my first name. Again, short of cover roles, this is a strong indicator of towniness, possibly even as good as an investigation for me...

Not so sure about Giraffe or Chaos though, they may have found my hint but have not indicated they know my name yet.