Greek History Mafia D2

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Double A

Pretty sure it bit me in the ass last time I insisted, so go crazy while I set up a tent.

Originally Posted by Double A

Also I think I know what you're doing for once, so that's cool.

If anyone thinks Double A is scum after him posting this, meet me in a back alley after the game is over.

I am scum with Double A at this point if he is scum. period.

PS I am not scum and I invite scans on us if there's a cop.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't even really care about your answer to 150 anymore. That was just me trying to determine if you really care about lynching in a specific order on the off-chance I was wrong.

I really really doubt I'm wrong now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am townie so if you and lulz are both townie I am mvping atm.

[Double A]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Double A,

Would you lynch:

1) Lightfoot
2) Scathach
3) Drink

In that order?

Would you be enthusiastic about that idea

or would you prefer

1) Scathach
2) Drink
3) Lightfoot

I'm not sure where I'd go.

https://www.random.org/lists/

[Double A]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I don't even really care about your answer to 150 anymore. That was just me trying to determine if you really care about lynching in a specific order on the off-chance I was wrong.

I really really doubt I'm wrong now.

You magnificent bastard.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nice answer regardless.

I'm feelin it.

Note that all three are in danger of being voted at any time by me at this point.

I would switch to drink right now, if I could get Lightfoot to do so.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Like Scath is lock scum and the longer people continue to deny that fact the worse they look if they're a suspect of mine.

So I'm not too worried about her. She's totally destroyed herself this game and isn't coming back from it.

It's up to Lightfoot and Drink to prove that they don't deserve to die with her.

That's all I'm concerned with at the moment.

You want to be a villager and to not die today, then I need something from you. And I can't tell you what it is.

You be a villager. Show me you are a villager. I'm not seeing it and you're a lost cause to me if I can't get you to show me right now.

[Sario]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Like Scath is lock scum and the longer people continue to deny that fact the worse they look if they're a suspect of mine.

So I'm not too worried about her. She's totally destroyed herself this game and isn't coming back from it.

It's up to Lightfoot and Drink to prove that they don't deserve to die with her.

That's all I'm concerned with at the moment.

You want to be a villager and to not die today, then I need something from you. And I can't tell you what it is.

You be a villager. Show me you are a villager. I'm not seeing it and you're a lost cause to me if I can't get you to show me right now.

I'm going to try something. It may prove to be a mistake, and I'm fairly certain it's going to get me killed, but here we go.

I hear by place my full faith and trust in Askthepizzaguy

[Double A]

I would offer to come to your funeral, but I'm a little busy planning mine.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Question @ Sario

Lightfoot is also a candidate, and I've discussed drink.

As quickly as you can, tell me everything you feel about all three.

I just want to see what's occupying your brain at this moment about all three.

You have 20 minutes to respond or the response isn't useful to me. No pressure now.



I know I'm holding your feet to the fire, just bear with me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Be as thorough as you can. A one liner isn't hard to come up with as scum.

[Double A]

I am illustrating a point

[Sario]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Be as thorough as you can. A one liner isn't hard to come up with as scum.

Well Light and Scath seem rather stuck on their respective targets, but really I'm doing this because you are the only one I have a strong sense of. Everyone else I can't seem to get a read on, so I decided to back your play and see which way the body flips.

Like I said, I fully expect this plan to kill me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Double A? Sooh? What do you think of that response.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think if Sario were scum he'd have put more effort into that answer to look townie.

But.... that's just my mild, off the cuff read.

It's also not very conclusive. It's just a stick your finger in the pool see how cold it is kinda read.

Like I could jump in and it would feel way colder and I wouldn't be that surprised. But at least I'm trying to see if it's like freezing cold or not.

[Sooh]

I think that that is very little to come up with on D2, especially after the amount of posts we have had. I can sympathize that some people around here are really hard to get a read on, but that Sario has nothing on people like Guiri and Double A is strange seeing as they have been a big presence in the game so far.

It gives me *shrug* really.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well yeah I wanted more.

But don't you think Sario-scum should have posted more?

Even a little bit more?

I tend to assume my mafia are playing competitively with the town even in a casual environment.

The level of WIM in that post doesn't indicate a scum who wants to look townie to me.

Is that wrong?

I'm serious. Because your reads are really good Sooh.

Double A, you've been around the block for like 7 years, so you have to have some kind of feeling here that is useful. Really curious.

I know it's within certain people's meta to be low-key, low-content. But is Sario that person as scum, in that post, on the spot, in this game, in this specific situation?

Might be a revealing question to ask.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just.... don't feel like he's pushing an agenda.

If he's scum: I'm really wrong about my suspects right now.

That's my quick read.

[Sooh]

It's tough to say. By his own admission this is his third game. I don't know if either of his two first were as scum, but you have a point in that there's not much wim there for someone who is trying to win as scum.

I'm still only null on him though. I'm going to need more to clear him. He's not a lynch candidate for me today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You have a point.

If it's only his third game that's really null.

**** that's a decent point.

Sad pizza is sad. I want another townie I can believe in.

Pizza
Double A
Lulz
Sooh

forget who else, been distracted by stuffs.

[BillMc]

Work and travel is killing me at the moment, not much time for anything.

So we appear to have Pizza, Lulz and DoubleA claiming some sort of masonary - Lulz states DoubleA is town (#115), Pizza states both Lulz and DoubleA are town (#136)...but from #146 it appears DoubleA doesn't know Pizza is town.

16 players, probably 4 scum, a 3 person masonary is feasible, but would imply most of the rest of the town is vanilla - unless the scum is well powered, but no apparent evidence of the latter.

Lulz still feels scummy to me - but we're in no danger at the moment, so I'm willing to accept this pseudo masonary for now ...pending independent confirmation or deaths.

Archangel's posts in D2#33/#34 bother me - pretty weak reasoning on Sario, but also casts suspicion with better cases on others, then expresses more doubt on doublea then votes idrink. This feels like giving the impression of looking at others but staying non-controversial

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Archangel I feel like giving you a megaphone.

I don't have you as a solid town read right now but, I feel like... the village would still benefit from listening to you or pushing your suspicions more.

I'm not really pushy but I'll try to help. I feel pretty strongly that Idrinkthere4Iam is scum. He's been eminently reasonable, which makes me suspicious.

I still think Sario is scum. Your test (I read everything first and now have gone back to reply) didn't convince me he's town.

I have Sooh as solidly town.

Scathach is usually an easy mislynch when town, so I don't like the case on her.

Lightfoot is someone I always get a scum read on so I've learned to take a few days to analyze her. Same thing with Mahaloth and SisterC.

My read on Guiri has turned around...I now think he's pretty solidly town.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by BillMc

Work and travel is killing me at the moment, not much time for anything.

So we appear to have Pizza, Lulz and DoubleA claiming some sort of masonary - Lulz states DoubleA is town (#115), Pizza states both Lulz and DoubleA are town (#136)...but from #146 it appears DoubleA doesn't know Pizza is town.

16 players, probably 4 scum, a 3 person masonary is feasible, but would imply most of the rest of the town is vanilla - unless the scum is well powered, but no apparent evidence of the latter.

Lulz still feels scummy to me - but we're in no danger at the moment, so I'm willing to accept this pseudo masonary for now ...pending independent confirmation or deaths.

Archangel's posts in D2#33/#34 bother me - pretty weak reasoning on Sario, but also casts suspicion with better cases on others, then expresses more doubt on doublea then votes idrink. This feels like giving the impression of looking at others but staying non-controversial

[bleach] archangel [/vote]

Replying to this now and I will comment on posts in between later because I'm almost late to work.


I don't think any of them are claiming mason, I think they're just strongly townreading each other.

My vote on Sario was serious and his response to it and to Pizza's "test" (in which he just seems to be following Pizza's suggested lead) makes me more sure he's scum. Maybe I didn't articulate my reasoning well but he's my #2 candidate for scum this game.

As for looking at others but staying noncontroversial, I voted to tie lulz and DoubleA to see what would happen (wanted to see if there would be further vote moves). I thought that was going to be controversial and was prepared to defend it but no one even seemed to notice. I still feel like one or both of them is most likely scum.

Pizza has been giving me pause; he's one who always pings me too, but the one time I played scum with him he bussed the hell out of his teammates. If he's doing that this game, it's only on Scathach. That means a Scathach lynch (which would be useful chiefly to help determine Pizza's alignment) is pretty much a null tell. The same could be said for Lightfoot.

I'd really like an Idrinkthere4Iam lynch but we need ANY lynch that gives some information but doesn't prolong Day One anymore.

Also (given I know I'm town) I feel like I'm the townie some scum feels is most likely to have her mind changed. This could be useful to scum in close lynches.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by Archangel

for reasons previously stated.

Previously stated? This?

Originally Posted by Archangel

Because I'm rereading Day 1 and both Idrink and Double A's votes for Zeener bother me. They are where the bandwagon started. DoubleA didn't even try to justify his vote, but Idrinkthere4Iam did. I happen to agree with Pizza that scum tries to look reasonable (though I don't agree with much else he's saying this game) so:

Bandwagon started when Double A jumped on the vote immediately. And didn't really explain why. But since I was reasonable about my reason, I'm the Scum. Got it. Thanks for clarifying. Maybe I should just blind vote next time. That couldn't possibly make me appear Scummy. Shall we ask lulz how that tactic works? Everyone is trying to look reasonable. Don't agree with it, that's fine. But don't accuse me of being Scum because I'm backing up what I say. That's hypocritical.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by Archangel

I'm not really pushy but I'll try to help. I feel pretty strongly that Idrinkthere4Iam is scum. He's been eminently reasonable, which makes me suspicious.

Ok. Let me explain how I play Mafia games. I've a very analytical player. I may not post a ton, I have a very busy schedule OOG and my hours are very erratic at times. But, I read everything. And I weigh it. I make patterns and look for logical explanations in them. I don't throw votes around willy-nilly. Usually I wait near EOD to vote (last 2 days of the Day). I like to have concrete reasons when I vote as well. That's just me. I've only been here for 4 games (maybe 5?). You can look back over them and see. This is how I am in these games. Take that for what it's worth.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Maybe I should just blind vote next time. That couldn't possibly make me appear Scummy. Shall we ask lulz how that tactic works? Everyone is trying to look reasonable. Don't agree with it, that's fine. But don't accuse me of being Scum because I'm backing up what I say. That's hypocritical.

I'm fine with voting Scathach or Lightfoot.

@idrinkthere4iam
If you wanna blind vote go ahead. Not sure why you think I have a problem with it. Maybe you should reference someone who actually mentioned that it's suspicious?

[idrinkthere4iam]

I was referencing that you did it. And everyone jumped on you. Then when I provide rationale for my vote I get voted for because being providing reason being why I voted for who I did.

[SisterCoyote]

because I can, in fact, get behind what Lulz is saying for a change. Also, Archangel.

I will be AFK pretty much all weekend unless I connect while we're at the Angels game on Sunday.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

guiri some of your 'takes' on my comments are off base- but you see things the way you see them-( most of the time you are rather accurate) I am not tunneling- ( if we share the same definition) I have not, however, seen anything to make me think that lulz is not Scum

OK, but is it possible you've latched on to his lack of a response as a reason to vote him so it's not purely a punishment vote?

Originally Posted by lulz

You see, game mechanics discussion is wasting time and doesn't actually move the game forward. Game mechanics discussion provides everyone with just as much information as discussing magic horses. However while a discussion about magic horses is obviously not productive and nobody would pretend it is such, setup speculation can masquerade as a productive discussion and can be used to pretend to be busy when really you're not doing anything at all.

I think anyone would agree that discussing game mechanics is more relevant, meaningful, and potentially useful, than flying horses. There could have been a handshake opportunity/slip with the wincon, some players may have had no idea about the expected number of scum, some may not have know about third parties or PFKs, some may have had useful or additional non-revealing information about the color. As for actually using the information discussed to make a case, I think that's an unfair expectation, and would be limited to scum slips, PIS or focus on mechanics over hunting scum...

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

DO NOT FORCE ME TO CLAIM

This is either unreasonable or unnecessary, you're saying they are Town but you're not a cop, not masons, that leaves a bluff, some weird and wonderful role I've not considered like a watcher who learns the class of action taken, or scum. I don't think lulz is scum, but you could be snuggling wildly. Are you trying to muddy the waters? I'm still orange for you so you're probably not looking for my help but if you are, should I move from Double A because you have role-related reasons to believe he's town? Or should I put faith and trust in your reads? Or should I continue playing my own game and vote who pings me the most?

Scathach
- D1 contributions were to remind some of us that lulz' behavior here was identical to the previous game where he was Town and to vote Double A for focusing on Drinkie's absence but not hers. I'm not sure what exactly rubbed Pizza the wrong way about her early contributions but he voted her in #94. Blending in? Voting based on logical arguments?
- D2 doesn't think lulz is scummy, finds his meta game voters oogly, still suspects DoubleA, posts about Zeener's resurrection, asks Pizza why he's voting her, doesn't see it
- My case on DoubleA is almost the same as hers, the arguments used against her vote should apply to me but even DoubleA reads us as opposites, I'm not seeing much else from her but she's not pinging me wildly

[lulz]

Originally Posted by guiri

I think anyone would agree that discussing game mechanics is more relevant, meaningful, and potentially useful, than flying horses. There could have been a handshake opportunity/slip with the wincon, some players may have had no idea about the expected number of scum, some may not have know about third parties or PFKs, some may have had useful or additional non-revealing information about the color. As for actually using the information discussed to make a case, I think that's an unfair expectation, and would be limited to scum slips, PIS or focus on mechanics over hunting scum...

I disagree. Do we have five weak scum? For average powered scum? Three powerful scum? Do we have multiple scum teams or a serial killer? Nobody knows anything about the game mechanics except the scum team, the mods, and people with PR's. I just finished a game where the first post of the game talked about game mechanics, the third post of the game was a discussion about game mechanics, and then by the 10th post of the game one person was confirmed town and two more people were nearly confirmed to each other.

If game mechanics are important it would be proven very quickly. Otherwise it's just useless. It's absolutely fair to hold someone's feet to the fire to eliminate timewasting garbage that bogs down the town.

[LightFoot]

I don’t know if this will help any- but I will claim ( paraphrased as best I can )

Achilles, great warrior of the Greeks.

I can kill one person in the name of the gods

I am a one shot vig
I didn’t use my one shot last Night for two reasons- When Zeener was revealed as a one shot BP Town
I reasoned that there were others too


with the way the Day ended I was certain that another vig would aim for my target and mine would essentially be wasted.

With no Death last Night any other one shot didn’t fire either- and it would seem that a Scum Kill was prevented as well


_{I had a bit of a battle with myself as my wincon is when all threats to Town are dead ( isn’t a Town Vig also a threat to Town?)- I know overthinking does me no good}


This may not save me from a lynch- and it might end making me a NK target- but it is information I think Town would like to have.

[guiri]

@ Lulz, is discussing mechanics discussions doubly useless? From your example I cannot tell if the semi- and full confirmations were a result, or independent, of the two mechanics posts.

@ Lightfoot, if the wincon in your PM says you win when all threats to town are killed, you can be confident it doesn't mean you. Usually a Vig has town's best interests in mind but usually cannot strategise in public and can make mistakes. Your name indicates you may have a weakness (avoid Paris) thus may be hiding something, and your claim is good cover for a SK, but I'm not sure I understand why two 1-shot vigs killing the same scumbag on N1 would be a waste.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by BillMc

So we appear to have Pizza, Lulz and DoubleA claiming some sort of masonary...

:snipped:

Is that what you guys are saying? If so, I will remove my vote from lulz. I am not skimming, but I do appear to have missed where they appeared to claim some sort of masonary(sic).

[SisterCoyote]

When Pizza claimed that he, lulz, and double A should not be lynched and that he didn't want to claim, it is BOTH one hell of a magic bag AND an implication of masonry.

That said, however, y'all know my feelings on masons. And that yes, Scum Will Do That.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by guiri

@ Lulz, is discussing mechanics discussions doubly useless? From your example I cannot tell if the semi- and full confirmations were a result, or independent, of the two mechanics posts.

I understand your point. I just wanted to bloviate on what successful mechanical discussion looks like.

Lightfoot still scum because what kind of one shot vig doesn't shoot me if she's scumreading me that hard.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by lulz

I understand your point. I just wanted to bloviate on what successful mechanical discussion looks like.

Lightfoot still scum because what kind of one shot vig doesn't shoot me if she's scumreading me that hard.

My head thought there were more as I stated and I though you were scummy enough that someone else would fire at you

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by guiri

@ Lulz, is discussing mechanics discussions doubly useless? From your example I cannot tell if the semi- and full confirmations were a result, or independent, of the two mechanics posts.

@ Lightfoot, if the wincon in your PM says you win when all threats to town are killed, you can be confident it doesn't mean you. Usually a Vig has town's best interests in mind but usually cannot strategise in public and can make mistakes. Your name indicates you may have a weakness (avoid Paris) thus may be hiding something, and your claim is good cover for a SK, but I'm not sure I understand why two 1-shot vigs killing the same scumbag on N1 would be a waste.

My PM has three short sentences ( that is all I have) I cannot quote it per the rules - so there you have it-------------- when I swing remember the things I have said in case it can help Town

[LightFoot]

Guiri I recognize that my name should include a weakness- but I was not informed of one

[LightFoot]

again for guiri If both one shots shoot the same player - then you lose a one shot when/if another baddy needs taken out I could not do it

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Lightfoot (4): lulz (45)[63], lulz (100), Sooh (124), Askthepizzaguy (136), SisterCoyote (178)
Double A (3): Zeener Diode (10)[116], idrinkthere4iam (18), guiri (67), Scáthach (109), SisterCoyote (111)[178]
Lulz (3): SisterCoyote (25)[73], Dizzymrslizzy (35), LightFoot (38), Mahaloth (39), Archangel (112)[134]
Scathach (2): Askthepizzaguy (26)[81], Double A (117), Sario (158)
Sooh (1): Meeko (44)
Idrinkthere4iam (1): Archangel (34)[112], Archangel (135)
Archangel (1): BillMc (171)
Meeko (0): Sooh (52)[124]
Soon (0): Meeko (43)[44]
Sario (0): Archangel (33)[34], Askthepizzaguy (81)[136]

Less than 6 hours until EOD and many of my voters have said they will be AFK ( I could change my vote and make it a tie but I am not going to)

Town needs this information


If the same thing happens - in row- LOOK at the players and make it right

[Sooh]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

My head thought there were more as I stated and I though you were scummy enough that someone else would fire at you

Originally Posted by LightFoot

again for guiri If both one shots shoot the same player - then you lose a one shot when/if another baddy needs taken out I could not do it

How do you know there are more than one vig in this game?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Sooh

How do you know there are more than one vig in this game?

read my claim?

[Sooh]

Says nothing about how you know or why you theorize that there are more than one vig, or am I misunderstanding something?

[Sooh]

Ok I see the one line you're pointing at. I just don't see why. It's a fairly small game, so I would assume there weren't any more, but I have no idea what it's like on this site.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Sooh

Ok I see the one line you're pointing at. I just don't see why. It's a fairly small game, so I would assume there weren't any more, but I have no idea what it's like on this site.

We have had some non conventional sets here of late ( to battle the boredom I think) so you never know - I was sharing what I thought-


we had a game not so long ago where the wolves were the majority and the good guys- and a game where noone knew what side they were on the first Day- it is a progressive thinking bunch

[Sooh]

I see. I'm not sure I buy your claim. Need to think on it.

[LightFoot]

fair enough i shared so if I am lynched a few questions would be answered

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Sooh

Ok I see the one line you're pointing at. I just don't see why. It's a fairly small game, so I would assume there weren't any more, but I have no idea what it's like on this site.

with no NK it seems this closed game may have some twists

[Askthepizzaguy]

I do not buy your claim, Lightfoot.

Either lynch Scathach or die, imo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your vote plus mine puts Scathach at 4. Just saying.

Come with me if you want to live.