Greek History Mafia N2

[Sooh]

Well now.. that's a case and a half. I like it! (I read it )

Now all we need is Day to start.

Just an fyi, I'll be in London Mon-Fri this week and have already alerted Visor that I'll be on LoLA (Leave of Limited Access, it's what we call it on my forum (oh wow that's a silly smiley!) ). I'll do my darndest to stop by and at least read and keep up with the game, and post when I can.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's one.

That's also why you're a great villager, my sweet. You do actually read and care.

The inertia of the game has to change. I am relying on my top villager reads to make it so.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I want people to seriously consider these words.

What posts or behaviors are suspicious?

No specific posts, just my behavior in the game.

What behavior? What am I doing which is scummy behavior? Why is it scummy behavior and not townie behavior?

What goes through your brain that makes you think why, pizza isn't being a villager, he's a scumbag.

And why does it make you think that.

Nothing, no process, no explanation for why you think the way you do.

Pizza is scummy because I've played with pizza once before and from what I'm gathering from others (Who?) my style is to "confuse people".

I'm pretty sure I haven't been stuttering this game or saying anything too convoluted.

I think X and Y are villagers, and this is why I think that way. I do not want them to die. I have no special knowledge. I do not want to lynch these people because they do not fit what I understand scumbags to do, for these specific reasons.

How come I can say all these things but all drinkiepoo has to say about me is that I am suspicious because I am over the top.

What does that mean?

What general behaviors are we talking about? We're being generic about generic overall suspicion.

Can anyone tell me how this is a thought in a mafia game that villagers have after I claimed to be vanilla?

"I don't give into scare tactics." No, but you hopped and danced real quick when I told you to come up with reasons why I'm suspicious, the one thing you won't do is provide actual content, just the most generic non-answer that has been provided by any player, under any circumstance, since the game began.

"I will not take your word as gospel until proof is provided".

Oh good, well at least I know where the bar is. If I can get the game host to admit that Scathach is scum, then you will take my word as gospel.

Good to know!

What proof does a vanilla townie provide?

Let me know.

I could always provide you with the same level of answer you're giving here.

Scathach is suspicious because of her general behavior this game, which even though I haven't played with her in a while, I understand to be suspicious. Unnamed others feel the same way. I can't say what she's doing that's so suspicious and I'm not saying she's scum, not at all, just that she is suspicious for her behavior, which I have yet to specify. I will suggest that her behavior is "under the top."

I won't be bullied into thinking otherwise, with all your scare tactics of asking solving questions!

My word, it's just not proper behavior in a game such as this.

You are directing a witch hunt sir, and I want no part of that! Now excuse me while I vote for someone who is acting like a villager, repeatedly, because it tickles my fancy to do so.

You are a cardboard cut-out of a villager, but there's nothing underneath. And the resolution is hardly life-like.

I'm pretty sure setting you on fire will cure you of all your ills, drink.

Pizza, you've convinced me that you're town, and that lulz is, so take everything I say in that context.

I read Idrinkthere4Iam's responses to you and to me and I drew the opposite conclusion you did. He seems to be getting genuinely frustrated which leads me to believe he's more likely town than scum. (The only thing I'm good at as town is figuring out who's frustrated town FWIW.)

I also don't think it makes sense with him as scum to just say you're suspicious without itemizing the reasons. More specifically, he's got a pretty good (from the standpoint of reasonableness, not from accuracy) reason for thinking you're scum-- you didn't move your vote to save Lightfoot after she claimed. I understand what you're saying about why you didn't do that, but this is a reasonable explanation for suspecting you. IMO scum come up with something reasonable to say and then hold onto it like a dog with a bone.

Him getting frustrated and being unable to come up with a specific example reads WAY more town to me than scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Him getting frustrated and being unable to come up with a specific example reads WAY more town to me than scum.

I respect your read but I don't agree. He's not acting that frustrated and he has no right to be because he's barely invested in the game.

It is fake.

Let's focus on what we can agree on I suppose.

Mahaloth- your take?

[Sooh]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Pizza, you've convinced me that you're town, and that lulz is, so take everything I say in that context.

I read Idrinkthere4Iam's responses to you and to me and I drew the opposite conclusion you did. He seems to be getting genuinely frustrated which leads me to believe he's more likely town than scum. (The only thing I'm good at as town is figuring out who's frustrated town FWIW.)

I also don't think it makes sense with him as scum to just say you're suspicious without itemizing the reasons. More specifically, he's got a pretty good (from the standpoint of reasonableness, not from accuracy) reason for thinking you're scum-- you didn't move your vote to save Lightfoot after she claimed. I understand what you're saying about why you didn't do that, but this is a reasonable explanation for suspecting you. IMO scum come up with something reasonable to say and then hold onto it like a dog with a bone.

Him getting frustrated and being unable to come up with a specific example reads WAY more town to me than scum.

I read him as more dismissive than frustrated. I'm not opposed to letting him have another day, but then we need to look at who we want to lynch. This divided village is only good for one team, and that's the scum team.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dismissive feels more accurate than frustrated.

I'm frustrated. I am not getting that vibe from Drink.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Archangel bouncing back and forth between Lulz not being scum, then being scum, then not being scum, based on events happening D1 reads as not agenda driven and in response to the actual conditions of the game.

The double reversal feels like she's in the flow, not measuring all her actions and moving carefully or meticulously.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Archangel

I'm causing a tie but I don't want a no-lynch-- hopefully this will force other people to get off the fence. DoubleA has been suspicious to me since Day One, but the bandwagon on him feels suspiciously like yesterday.

The triple reversal, but the reasons given look good.

The stand doesn't match "lulz is scum, because..." it matches Double A's bandwagon feels fishy and THAT is villagery.

[Archangel]

Responding to post #38, but I didn't quote it because it's too long to add further text to.

I've already stated my feelings on you, lulz and Idrink.

I agree with you re Sooh-- if she's scum she's the best scum I've ever seen.

I don't have enough content from Bill to have a read on him yet.

I'm glad to see you're off your tunneling that DoubleA is town. I never played with him before so I don't know his playstyle, but please take into consideration that he was a factor in both near ties/mislynches. I now believe lulz is town, so if lulz/zeener is two town and lulz/Lightfoot is two town, that makes DoubleA look really bad.

I don't have a read on DizzyMrsLizzy yet-- she's too focused on lulz and that could be as town or as scum.

Meeko is starting to bother me the more time goes on. He's getting away with posting nothing of significance without any heat. It's not that different from how he usually plays, but if anything it's less game content than usual, so it's starting to ping me.

Guiri's been pinging me on and off but the more time goes on the better I feel about him. I just can't see him being the 5th vote on a town Lightfoot as scum. Not unless lulz is scum, and I don't think he is.

I also don't think a me vs. Guiri dichotomy means one of us is town and one is scum. I could be scum looking to smudge him, or scum looking to set up a bus on him. Or I could be town being pinged by him either way. Also, Guiri has responded to me in general but hasn't really posted an opinion about me, so I'm just not seeing why you think we're a mismatched pair.

I don't have a read on SisterCoyote other than she always pings me as scum and I don't see her playing differently.

I started out feeling this way about Scathach and Mahaloth, but the more time goes on the more I think they're likely scum. Scathach can get really really defensive when she's frustrated town and I'm not getting that feel out of her. Mahaloth, like Meeko, is posting even less game-related content than usual.

To sum up my ramblings, I think DoubleA is scum. I think you, lulz, and Idrinkthere4Iam are not.

And I think at least one of Meeko, Scathach, Mahaloth and Sario is scum. I'll work with you on Scathach, but in return I ask that you consider DoubleA as potential scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Archangel

And I think at least one of Meeko, Scathach, Mahaloth and Sario is scum. I'll work with you on Scathach, but in return I ask that you consider DoubleA as potential scum.

He's not a solid lock.

I did mention he'd be a great peek, because he's been pushed for the lynch and is hard to read in general, if he sucked up a mafia murder, that's amazing for village.

But look at how he responded to my request for him to leave his vote in a position that causes his own lynch yesterday.

He did it cheerfully and never removed his vote even when I asked him to do so:

Originally Posted by Double A

Well I'm currently in the lead so I might wanna change it eventually.

Anyway, AA <33333333 Pizzaguy 4evr

Originally Posted by Double A

clearly my subconscious was telling me to vote for Drinky because it can sense evil

Pretty sure it bit me in the ass last time I insisted, so go crazy while I set up a tent.

Originally Posted by Double A

Also I think I know what you're doing for once, so that's cool.

Originally Posted by Double A

https://www.random.org/lists/

Originally Posted by Double A

You magnificent bastard.

Originally Posted by Double A

I would offer to come to your funeral, but I'm a little busy planning mine.

Originally Posted by Double A

I am illustrating a point

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Double A, you're relieved of your camping on Scathach duties.

This one cannot be allowed to get away today.

Look at the context.

Caveat- this is still within Double A's dngaf attitude.

But seriously. Scumbags do not agree to let themselves hang, Archangel. Not like this.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Archangel- purely from an information standpoint, Scathach is scum and we have people's reactions to that.

Where people stand on Mahaloth is a mystery. Would you lynch him before Scathach?

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I respect your read but I don't agree. He's not acting that frustrated and he has no right to be because he's barely invested in the game.

It is fake.

Let's focus on what we can agree on I suppose.

Mahaloth- your take?

I can see why you think that because there's sarcasm in his posts. Also, his response that he was holding back on mentioning that DoubleA jumped on his vote seems disingenuous to me. For sure if I were the detective I'd be investigating him toNight.

I mentioned Mahaloth when we were cross-posting, but he's bugging me more as time goes on. Day One he voted for lulz based on a grudge, which I actually think is understandable, having been in that previous game. Day two he voted for lulz for seeming scummy.

Mahaloth isn't a high volume player and doesn't give elaborate reasoning either way, but he's starting to feel like he is intentionally skating under the radar rather than just being at a loss. (This is one of the reasons I suck as town-- I play on feel more than analysis.) I think if forced to articulate a reason why this feels this way to me, I'd say he posts even more fluff when he's town. He seems to be restrained in his posting, which is normally restrained anyway, if that makes sense.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Arch you deserve to win if you're scum because you are solving, at night, and not half-assing it.

Thank you. I'm not voting for you ever without an uncountered cop claim that has you as guilty.

[Archangel]

[QUOTE=Sooh;1201687]

Originally Posted by Archangel

I read him as more dismissive than frustrated. I'm not opposed to letting him have another day, but then we need to look at who we want to lynch. This divided village is only good for one team, and that's the scum team.

I agree, which is why I'm trying to play nice with you two-- I'm 95% sure you're both town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Then we have a coalition and we need to be careful who we add to it blindly, but we should work on adding to it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Enough has transpired this game to get a read on the skating, the avoiding responsibility, the not solving, the under the radar, the inertia, the status quo, the bad cases.

It is possible to stop lynching villagers now. Several players are howling and it is possible to determine that from the interactions.

People should not retain the inertia of the game and they should not be discouraged by a couple of villager lynches. If you lynch 2 scums in the next 2 days, it was worth every drop of their blood in exchange.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

But seriously. Scumbags do not agree to let themselves hang, Archangel. Not like this.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I've seen it done, in fact I've seen it become popular to stand your ground when you're scum. Also, he may have known he had teammates that were going to save him.

[Sooh]

[QUOTE=Archangel;1201700]

Originally Posted by Sooh

I agree, which is why I'm trying to play nice with you two-- I'm 95% sure you're both town.

I feel the same way about you and Pizza.

Mahaloth didn't do anything to my line of questioning about him earlier. To be fair, nor did very many others. He is very much under the radar like you said, and I wouldn't be opposed to a push there.

I can also very much see the Scathach case presented by Pizza. I'm willing to vote there too.

As for Double A I don't know. The one thing that does stand out to me as sort of a scummy range is that he is very agreeable to people. He agrees a whole lot with a number of different people. That kind of pings, but if that's the only thing I think I would rather get some pressure on the other two first before revisiting.

[Sooh]

Quote messed up

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Archangel- purely from an information standpoint, Scathach is scum and we have people's reactions to that.

Where people stand on Mahaloth is a mystery. Would you lynch him before Scathach?

Yes, if only because it will put his feet to the fire and make him take a stand. Scathach right now is static.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Archangel

We'll have to agree to disagree. I've seen it done, in fact I've seen it become popular to stand your ground when you're scum. Also, he may have known he had teammates that were going to save him.

...possible.

I just don't feel Double A plays that way.

You are reading deeper strategies into him than he prefers to play with.

Double A is seriously a for fun player. His tone is spot on for lacking an agenda and not really caring about the risk of death.

If he had a team, he would care a little bit more.

He'd have every reason to question my asking him to keep his vote where it was. He'd be able to go, why are you asking me to let myself hang, Pizza?

Etc.

Just....

Push him down your POE. We also have data on who wants him dead and who does not, from the early game.

If he eats a murder that is so astoundingly good for village over eating a lynch, that's a massive equity swing in our favor, and makes up for one mislynch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I concede if he's got a scum team they could ask him to do so.

But it happened instantly in real time. That was Double A's decision and his alone.

He made that call.

That's villagery.

[Archangel]

Just so I'm clear, I'm not pushing for a DoubleA lynch. I'm asking that you look at things both ways; if DoubleA is town, and if DoubleA is scum. Because there's something to those near-ties and I don't think it's lulz.

I am willing to work as a coalition because I agree that scattered town benefits scum at this point, and because I want people to take a stand on leading candidates rather than having one-off votes from now on.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Scanning him is possibly even more amazing for village than me or Drink.

I could plausibly be a nightkill and self-clear if I'm correct, I put too much into this game.

Drink as scum is a death, and therefore doesn't prevent a mislynch. Well it could if he's town.

Finding a villager here who could be mislynched is superior to finding a scum.

If you find him to be scum that is also amazing for analysis.

Yes, Double A is a great scan choice.

I agree with my own assessment of that. I'm glad you're on board with it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I feel better about this game now than I have since just before end of day one.

I felt miserable ever since then about this game.

I feel like life is breathing back into village now.

[Archangel]

I'm trying to do what I asked you to do, and I'm looking at it from the perspective that DoubleA is town.

If so, that makes SisterCoyote and guiri look bad.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Archangel

I'm trying to do what I asked you to do, and I'm looking at it from the perspective that DoubleA is town.

If so, that makes SisterCoyote and guiri look bad.

How much of that is town suspicions on a guy who is different, and how much of that is actual scum behavior.

I get Double A attracting votes if he's a villager, and I get that not all his voters will be scum.

So, which is which?

[Askthepizzaguy]

And it's okay to still think he's scum as your "majority read" and look at the "minority read" universe where he's town.

I could look at minority read universes where Scathach is town, Drink is town, Mahaloth is town, but not many folks have commented on Drink or Mahaloth.

At least my attempts on Scathach have provoked a lot of non-reactions from people or not support for her lynch. That's something.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Meeko

My whole entire position is that this game guzzled down jet fuel and shot itself into outer space on day one. Some of us are playing mid to late game, and in actuality, it's barely out of the gate. We are suffering for it as a result.

Is this solely due to end of Day votes changes to prevent a tie? Or did something massive happen on D1 that I somehow missed?

Originally Posted by Archangel

I would be convinced you were scum if not for the fact that you tried to get Lightfoot to save herself (although that would be an excellent scum play if you knew lulz and DoubleA were town). I'm going with Occam's Razor, which makes you town.

With Lightfoot flipping Town, I have to agree with this but the option was to join Pizza on Scathach or go on her own on Double A.

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

As I said before. Lightfoot was Town, and I wish I was up in the middle of the night to swing it.

Lulz, Guiri, pizza all look guilty as hell.

You said Lightfoot was Town and expected people to believe you and unvote just like that? And we're guilty of mislynching her, sure, is that it?

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

I thought it was pretty apparent lightfoot was town when she basically refused to save herself by changing her vote. Yet pizza kept his vote on her. So because of that, pizza is rising in my eyes as potential Scum.

Well, hindsight and all that, but Pizza was pushing Lightfoot and Scathach as scum, what was he expecting her to say by offering her the choice to lynch her scumbuddy instead of herself?

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

If I need to explain any of this again day three, I am voting for the first person who asks me to explain it.

Call it a scare tactic and I'll leave my vote there the entire round.

Can you explain it one more time.

I'm kidding. I am actually on the same wavelength with you and not on the lynch pizza wave, although I didn't like the push on Lightfoot. Having similar feelings to her I understood her from a frustrated town standpoint. And I wish I was here at Eod to change it.

Anyway, my lead suspect is Guiri. Guiri = scum. Plain and simple. He had a hand in the last two late night vote shifts and I think there's something there.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Can you explain it one more time.

I'm kidding. I am actually on the same wavelength with you and not on the lynch pizza wave, although I didn't like the push on Lightfoot. Having similar feelings to her I understood her from a frustrated town standpoint. And I wish I was here at Eod to change it.

I get it.

At the end of the day her claim was an issue because one shot vigilante and she had scum reads, and she was stubborn about saving herself to lynch Scathach....

It's too easy to pull as scum if she's scum with Scath.

But... I admit, I was uncomfortable with the end of round and wanted her to town-tell or move her vote, a lot.

When she did not I felt it was out of the possible Scath-Lightfoot pairing, because me forcing her into that position is still not townie points for her for lynching her. Not many.

Town points for me, her team still doesn't survive, and better for her to die than bus her own teammate and then die.

That's what I was thinking.

Anyway, my lead suspect is Guiri. Guiri = scum. Plain and simple. He had a hand in the last two late night vote shifts and I think there's something there.

Hmmm.

That's literally my only comment here.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Anyway, my lead suspect is Guiri. Guiri = scum. Plain and simple. He had a hand in the last two late night vote shifts and I think there's something there.

On D1 I moved my vote off my preferred candidate to the more suspicious of the leading candidates to prevent a tie and therefore no lynch. On D2 I moved my vote to the lynch leader one hour before EoD (which happens to be midday Saturday for me, so a perfectly reasonable time to be online) because her claim sucked. I'd expect scum would have been happy to leave town in the dark on D1 and had no need to join the Lightfoot bandwagon so late on the Day after Lightfoot had signed off and Double A was asked to move his vote off Scathach. Unless you're suggesting that I'm scum with lulz and Double A and have voted strategically to protect them, what exactly is your issue with my vote history? I have no defence against "there's something there".

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

What is the basis of this?

Why are you simply aligning against lulz?

That's not how villagers solve games.

All you're doing here is ostracizing him. And that infuriates me to no end.

Nothing personal Mahaloth, but this is beyond sub-par from you.

I don't like the way lulzaskthepizzaguy has to be so negative and abrasive and I'm really considering never playing with him again. I honestly didn't remember the username lulzaskthepizzaguy when this game got going or I may not have played. He is abrasive and verbally abusive(and dead wrong, by the way). I'm not quitting in this game because is screws everyone over, but I just want to go on record that lulzaskthepizzaguy may not be the kind of player we want around her. Sorry, folks.

At least one person told me I did nothing wrongI'm not playing poorly in the lastthis game and the person who told me so is a very experienced and skilled player. Lulzaskthepizzaguy's game of abrasive cocksuredness was certainly far worse than any of us.

[Double A]

Originally Posted by lulz

Try this. Eat a PB^J sandwich but instead of using bread, use a Pop-Tart or waffles. It'll change your life.

I love you

but I feel like we can do more
what if we add Nutella and marshmallow cream
Also should maple syrup be on the waffles already?

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Then I propose the investigation be on me, or on you, and no one else.

How's that?

I'm pretty sure at least one of you, me, or Lulz has been scanned. If I don't see a cop tomorrow claiming one of you is scum, I'm gonna keep assuming otherwise.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Double A, I'm handing you the football if I die.

Are you ready to run with it and be the pizza, only Double cut?

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I respect your read but I don't agree. He's not acting that frustrated and he has no right to be because he's barely invested in the game.

It is fake.

Let's focus on what we can agree on I suppose.

Mahaloth- your take?

I have not suspected Archangel. I see the frustration as likely genuine and kind of townie.

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Archangel- purely from an information standpoint, Scathach is scum and we have people's reactions to that.

Where people stand on Mahaloth is a mystery. Would you lynch him before Scathach?

I would not lynch me before scathach. Ha ha. Anyway, I do believe I said I am up for a scathach lynch. I still have a feeling lulz will turn out to be scum, but I am up for a scathach lynch instead.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Mahaloth-

My read on you hasn't changed, but I was frustrated earlier.

I'm probably in a better mood to talk this out if you can plan on being online for the next however many minutes you can spare.

Deal?

[Askthepizzaguy]

How much of your time can I borrow?

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Mahaloth isn't a high volume player and doesn't give elaborate reasoning either way, but he's starting to feel like he is intentionally skating under the radar rather than just being at a loss. (This is one of the reasons I suck as town-- I play on feel more than analysis.) I think if forced to articulate a reason why this feels this way to me, I'd say he posts even more fluff when he's town. He seems to be restrained in his posting, which is normally restrained anyway, if that makes sense.

Huh, I have no idea. I haven't thought about my playstyle or posting levels at all. I just have said what I think and gone with it. It is true I don't give huge reasoning, but I have talked extensively* about my thoughts on the game of mafia. I rarely(very rarely, actually) have much more than a vibe. So I've gone with lulz because of crappy voting, but there is vibe as well. I dunno. I have a vibe on scathach as well, so I'm up for his lynch.

My vibe on Pizza is town and that you are town. I'm not sure I have an itemized "vibe" list for everyone, though.

*Look up the "let's improve our mafia game" thread on the Straight Dope. It's a read on what a lot of us think about the game.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

How much of your time can I borrow?

Sure, go for it. I have some time. Make a little numbered list and I can respond.

I feel like I work for pizzaguy now.

[Double A]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Double A, I'm handing you the football if I die.

Are you ready to run with it and be the pizza, only Double cut?

PROBABLY NOT I suck at convincing people

[Double A]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Huh, I have no idea. I haven't thought about my playstyle or posting levels at all. I just have said what I think and gone with it. It is true I don't give huge reasoning, but I have talked extensively* about my thoughts on the game of mafia. I rarely(very rarely, actually) have much more than a vibe. So I've gone with lulz because of crappy voting, but there is vibe as well. I dunno. I have a vibe on scathach as well, so I'm up for his lynch.

My vibe on Pizza is town and that you are town. I'm not sure I have an itemized "vibe" list for everyone, though.

*Look up the "let's improve our mafia game" thread on the Straight Dope. It's a read on what a lot of us think about the game.

isn't it fun when people metanlyze you and then you change to fuck with them

But anyway, how often are your vibes right? They're a pretty useful tool, frankly, but not if your gut is as bipolar as mine.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Double A

But anyway, how often are your vibes right? They're a pretty useful tool, frankly, but not if your gut is as bipolar as mine.

Heh. No better than chance. I'm not the best player. I hit sometimes and feel great, but I miss a ton as well. Love the game, though.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I'm probably in a better mood to talk this out if you can plan on being online for the next however many minutes you can spare.

Deal?

Deal, as stated, but I'm going to bed now. Sorry. I thought you were going to post thoughts or inquiries more or less immediately. Anyway, I should have time in the next day or two, so no rush. I'm going to bed.

[Double A]

I mean if he gets NK'd you kinda can't talk to him

[Askthepizzaguy]

My fault.

I got distracted.

[Sooh]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

My fault.

I got distracted.

And that's my fault... oops

[lulz]

@Mahaloth

Are you an adult?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay, so I didn't get to interrogate Mahaloth like I wanted, but that's my fault.

I respect the fact that he sat and stayed there for like an hour after I asked him to. Also there's just something strange about his tone there... you have to recognize I had just spent half the posts in this night phase tearing at three players in particular, and one of them was Mahaloth.

His reaction felt... like he hadn't read my posts or he didn't care that I was accusing him. But it feels weird for either alignment. I know Mahaloth doesn't typically get rustled or upset or reacts too strongly regardless.

@Mahaloth:

The bolded stuff is really important to me.

In post 46, I asked....

1. Why am I a villager? First I'm not scummy for no reason, and tonight, I'm a villager for no reason. Elaborate on how you went from having no opinion on me to having one, to having a strong one. Which posts specifically.

It's important to me, not busywork, because I need to put myself in your shoes and see if it fits a progression I can identify. Be as specific as you can with your reasons why.

2. What is it about lulz and his tone which feels off to you? Additional thought, it's not hard to fake, but I get a lot from his tone which is passionate, struggling, defiant, and there's a sincere desire there to make a lynch happen which he feels will result in the death of a mafioso.

Now, you can fake that. But look at the other side of the coin. You have several players here who I can name, and you can name, that have no passion, they aren't struggling, and they're the opposite of defiant. They're.... compliant. They're pushing the status quo, but not that hard. They aren't saying why people are villagers and why people are wolves beyond just the bare minimum perfunctory surface level.

That is what I feel wolves do. I feel that especially when I have seen the player in question have some passion about what they do as a villager, rattle some cages, take some controversial stands, and when it comes to me, actually stand up to me, argue with me, and call me scum up and down if they think there's the slightest thing off about me. And they'll go into great detail why I'm scum if they think so.

Because then it's a real thought that inhabits their head. It may or may not be correct but they BELIEVE in it.

Look only at Day One, Night One, Day Two. Tell me which people have said there's something wrong with me, and tell me which of them you actually believe feel that way.

Look at the folks who have commented about me but have zero position on me.

Which position feels real to you? Which opinions feel like they are absolutely real, coming from the mind of a person who wants to win the game for village?

I'm not even concerned about the accuracy of it. Anyone who has accused me or not thought I was a sterling villager has been completely wrong. But did they have any vehemence behind their opinion, any effort, any sincere belief that you could see?

3. What is wrong with Scathach, in your opinion? You've played with her before many times. What makes her a valid lynch this time?

4. Where do you stand on Drink and why? What did they do, on which days, in which posts that makes you feel that way?

5. Where do you stand on Meeko and why? What did they do, on which days, in which posts that makes you feel that way?

6. Where do you stand on Dizzy and why? What did they do, on which days, in which posts that makes you feel that way?


You're a great big blank space to me this game.

Even if I die, I'm asking you to respond well to these questions. It will help the other players read you.

I wish I could have asked you that in real time, but this will have to do.