Greek History Mafia N2

[Visorslash]

Brave Achilles, Greek Hero was left to die.

Lightfoot was Achilles, town one shot vigilante.

48 hours for night, 8pm 10th of august.

Send in your orders, even if it is nothing - so I can open earlier

[guiri]

Oh, farewell Lightfoot.

[lulz]

So it's double visions all over again.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I should feel bad but I don't. Simply refused vote anyone but my villagers.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by lulz

So it's double visions all over again.

I'd suggest you stop drinking if you are still having double visions.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you want to find mafia I'm a wasted investigation.

Don't bother looking here. Don't look at the folks I've been defending either.

Look at the folks who wanted to lynch Lulz and Double A, somewhere in there.

It's a much wider list of people and my bet for where the actual scums are hiding, plus some villagers. Differentiating between those people is important.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Look at Drink, Scathach, SisterCoyote in my opinion to find scum or at least get suspicions moved off of them. But if you think I have an agenda then don't, go for someone who is more neutral.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Meeko, I think enough time has passed for you to get a handle on things.

What do you think is going on here?

Specifically, is Pizza defending his scum crew, is pizza the scumbag defending villagers, or is pizza, double a and lulz all a bunch of villagers?

I'm curious. Because as loud as I've been, I've really struggled to make an impact here- I've pointed out all kinds of reasons to defend Double A and Lulz, but it's not changing a lot of minds.

Look at this first- I am a villager.

Let's say I'm wrong about double a and lulz. They're scum, or one of them is.

Don't you think the scumbags on their team would be like yeah, Pizza, you're right, they are less scummy than I thought. And not try to keep trying to lynch them every round?

If they are scum and I'm a villager, either one of them, who is their teammate at this point?

It's really easy for the scums to hang back here and deny momentum to the village. It was obvious to me that the day one lynches were both going nowhere. And then we still follow up with double a and lulz, and then I couldn't get lightfoot to even remove herself from that equation, she basically decided she'd rather die than give any other scum suspect of mine a chance.

So that's village.

I see that. So where's the scums?

Who is benefiting from this dynamic?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh I suppose I'll hard claim Socrates the vanilla townie at this point.

Just my gut, that's all so far.

You have other vigilantes? You think pizza and crew are scums? You could at least deny day three being round three of this same BS.

You won't hit a scumbag unless I'm really really off my game this game. But objectively speaking I am not.

Investigate or vig kill inside my suspects for great justice.

[Visorslash]

I am a trafficker of information, I know everything I can. The question is, do you know why you are here?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm here because I was born and haven't died yet.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Meeko, I think enough time has passed for you to get a handle on things.

What do you think is going on here?

Specifically, is Pizza defending his scum crew, is pizza the scumbag defending villagers, or is pizza, double a and lulz all a bunch of villagers?

I'm curious. Because as loud as I've been, I've really struggled to make an impact here- I've pointed out all kinds of reasons to defend Double A and Lulz, but it's not changing a lot of minds

Snipped.

My whole entire position is that this game guzzled down jet fuel and shot itself into outer space on day one. Some of us are playing mid to late game, and in actuality, it's barely out of the gate. We are suffering for it as a result.

I think scum is getting away with everything, and that whatever it is that they are doing, they are doing it right, and at this point, will win. But at least we can read the scum board after and it will be a one time deal.

I was thinking I was confused as to how fast this game was going, but I think the rest of town is even more confused. Do I get off the sidelines, and help mislynch? I would think not.

I'm confused, and you have a struggle. I wonder if at a point in time, confused and struggle don't overlap.

[Meeko]

In summary, this is how I feel scum is playing this game.

https://imgur.com/tRXf4CQ

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Meeko, I think enough time has passed for you to get a handle on things.

What do you think is going on here?

Specifically, is Pizza defending his scum crew, is pizza the scumbag defending villagers, or is pizza, double a and lulz all a bunch of villagers?

I'm curious. Because as loud as I've been, I've really struggled to make an impact here- I've pointed out all kinds of reasons to defend Double A and Lulz, but it's not changing a lot of minds.

Look at this first- I am a villager.

Let's say I'm wrong about double a and lulz. They're scum, or one of them is.

Don't you think the scumbags on their team would be like yeah, Pizza, you're right, they are less scummy than I thought. And not try to keep trying to lynch them every round?

If they are scum and I'm a villager, either one of them, who is their teammate at this point?

It's really easy for the scums to hang back here and deny momentum to the village. It was obvious to me that the day one lynches were both going nowhere. And then we still follow up with double a and lulz, and then I couldn't get lightfoot to even remove herself from that equation, she basically decided she'd rather die than give any other scum suspect of mine a chance.

So that's village.

I see that. So where's the scums?

Who is benefiting from this dynamic?

I would be convinced you were scum if not for the fact that you tried to get Lightfoot to save herself (although that would be an excellent scum play if you knew lulz and DoubleA were town). I'm going with Occam's Razor, which makes you town.

DoubleA is on my short list after this. Unlike you, I think there is scum on the leading lynch candidates and that the swings moved on to town both days.

My top scum candidates are Idrink, DoubleA, and Sario. Scathach is moving up my list.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

pizza I love you but I'd waste an investigation on you or lulz anyway. 😍😍😍

As I said before. Lightfoot was Town, and I wish I was up in the middle of the night to swing it.

Lulz, Guiri, pizza all look guilty as hell.

[LightFoot]

Damn my foot hurts! " shakes fist" Avenge me!

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by Archangel

I would be convinced you were scum if not for the fact that you tried to get Lightfoot to save herself (although that would be an excellent scum play if you knew lulz and DoubleA were town). I'm going with Occam's Razor, which makes you town.

DoubleA is on my short list after this. Unlike you, I think there is scum on the leading lynch candidates and that the swings moved on to town both days.

My top scum candidates are Idrink, DoubleA, and Sario. Scathach is moving up my list.

No comment on my comments regarding your suspicion of me? Ignoring them, or just didn't see them?

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

No comment on my comments regarding your suspicion of me? Ignoring them, or just didn't see them?

I saw them, replied in my head, and then never posted my response. Going back to respond now, sorry.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Previously stated? This?

Bandwagon started when Double A jumped on the vote immediately. And didn't really explain why. But since I was reasonable about my reason, I'm the Scum. Got it. Thanks for clarifying. Maybe I should just blind vote next time. That couldn't possibly make me appear Scummy. Shall we ask lulz how that tactic works? Everyone is trying to look reasonable. Don't agree with it, that's fine. But don't accuse me of being Scum because I'm backing up what I say. That's hypocritical.

If I'm wrong I apologize, I can understand where you are frustrated if you're town and getting called out for making a reasonable argument. This post struck me as very defensive, though, and I'm not sure why it would have to be, since there's no momentum growing on a lynch for you (apart from Pizza apparently adding you to his short list).

This and the next post (where you describe your play style) almost convinced me I was wrong about you, but one thing bothers me about it. You were paying careful enough attention to the voting on Day One to be able to tell me that DoubleA jumped on your vote on Zeener a few posts after (and in your opinion created the bandwagon), yet this wasn't cited as a reason for voting him. That's a big thing to notice and yet not comment on until it's made an issue of (by me).

That being said, I think we need a reveal of lulz or DoubleA toMorrow in order to figure out what's going on here and I think DoubleA should go first. (I think Pizza's tunneling on him being innocent and this he's escaping doom.)

[Archangel]

Pizza, why did you claim now? If you're town you've created enough controversy that surely scum will want to keep you alive for another day. Or was that claim in response to the idea that you were soft-claiming mason?

[Archangel]

Idrinkthere4Iam, just reread my earlier post and I see it makes it look like you are my number one scum candidate. I didn't mean it that way, rattled off the three names randomly. In fact in order of preference, you've moved to third favorite. Sario is #2 and DoubleA is #1 for me.

[lulz]

Try this. Eat a PB^J sandwich but instead of using bread, use a Pop-Tart or waffles. It'll change your life.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by Archangel

This and the next post (where you describe your play style) almost convinced me I was wrong about you, but one thing bothers me about it. You were paying careful enough attention to the voting on Day One to be able to tell me that DoubleA jumped on your vote on Zeener a few posts after (and in your opinion created the bandwagon), yet this wasn't cited as a reason for voting him. That's a big thing to notice and yet not comment on until it's made an issue of (by me).

I was keeping that in my back pocket. I wanted to see Double As reaction to my vote. Or see if anyone tries to defend him. When it became apparent I was not going to be lynched I just held it back all together to post toMorrow.

Speaking of defending Double A, pizza was a big supporter of keeping him alive. My vote for Double A even seems to have gotten me on his short list. But he was more focused on others. I thought it was pretty apparent lightfoot was town when she basically refused to save herself by changing her vote. Yet pizza kept his vote on her. So because of that, pizza is rising in my eyes as potential Scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Pizza, why did you claim now? If you're town you've created enough controversy that surely scum will want to keep you alive for another day. Or was that claim in response to the idea that you were soft-claiming mason?

If I were a scumbag I would want to at least keep a claim of cop, tracker, watcher, etc etc etc on the table.

basically I understand that I am now "hard" to read as a townie because I was the decider (tm) and have been hard defending people.

I need to clear up the fact that I do not have investigation results, masonries, tracking, watching, blocking, or any other powers which would lead me to believe anyone is town or scum. Just my instincts.

Honestly, I really should be okay to cold read for intent. You mentioned one motivation, trying to get Lightfoot to save herself.

There are others, I am certain my game is full of really obvious villager tells. But people don't really want to read my posts so I continue to be on folks like dizzy's scum list.

If I must be an investigation then I must, but you won't learn anything you don't already know, that I am a townie who is struggling.

If you check an actual scumbag, that will give us direction. A dead scumbag. Someone we can read for spew.

Seriously, people need to gut check and read me harder or at all.

I put way, way too much of myself, my brain wave, and my motivations into this thread to be a mystery.

Look at people NOT investing in this game. What are they hiding, and why?

You can't tell if they're town or scum by their posts, check those people out.

I should be easy as hell to read by mid-to-late game. Sorry I haven't found a scum yet but my team isn't being very cooperative day one or day two, and I'm just one guy.

We need to get on the same page or it's just divided town, mafia skating to an easy win.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

So because of that, pizza is rising in my eyes as potential Scum.

Then I propose the investigation be on me, or on you, and no one else.

How's that?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Either have the balls to call me scum or don't. All this soft footing around is pissing me off.

No offense to you as a person. I'm frustrated and there's not three villagers inside Scathach, Drink, and any X player calling me a scumbag.

[Sooh]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Look at people NOT investing in this game. What are they hiding, and why?

You can't tell if they're town or scum by their posts, check those people out.

This! A whole lot of this!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Or look at drink.

Scum will use the divided town against town and side up with the folks who can't read me to lynch me.

The people who are anti-pizza right now? There's at least 2 scums there. Look.

Look, look, look look look look look. LOOK.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Then I propose the investigation be on me, or on you, and no one else.

How's that?

If it's on me then it'll be a waste as you say. As I am town. But to each their own. I won't begin to tell others how to use their powers or play the game. Especially when I don't even know what to do myself.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Either have the balls to call me scum or don't. All this soft footing around is pissing me off.

No offense to you as a person. I'm frustrated and there's not three villagers inside Scathach, Drink, and any X player calling me a scumbag.

You're on my list. Double A is at the top though. Not you. Are you Scum, I have no freaking clue. And I'm not calling you Scum. But I'm mightily suspicious of you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

You're on my list. Double A is at the top though. Not you. Are you Scum, I have no freaking clue. And I'm not calling you Scum. But I'm mightily suspicious of you.

Why? Name the posts that ping you. Name the behaviors that ping you.

You have one hour to justify your suspicions. Show me the thought process that makes me not on your team if you are a villager.

Show me what process I'm using which is scummy. Show me what process you're using which is what a villager does.

What are you doing to solve this game? Sitting there and going I have no clue but you're suspicious is not solving it or acting like a villager.

If you and I are villagers, and I AM, then I need you to be my teammate for 1 whole hour and respond WELL to this challenge.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you guys want me to stop caring and phone it in let me know.

I could do other things than this game.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Why? Name the posts that ping you. Name the behaviors that ping you.

You have one hour to justify your suspicions. Show me the thought process that makes me not on your team if you are a villager.

Show me what process I'm using which is scummy. Show me what process you're using which is what a villager does.

What are you doing to solve this game? Sitting there and going I have no clue but you're suspicious is not solving it or acting like a villager.

If you and I are villagers, and I AM, then I need you to be my teammate for 1 whole hour and respond WELL to this challenge.

I'm not going to provide exact posts. As I don't them, I'm posting from my phone, and it's not specific posts that make me suspicious. It's your general behavior in this game. Everyone expects you to mix it up and try to confuse everyone, but more importantly the Scum. I've only played with you once before but that's seems to be your style and from what I gather from others I think I'm right. But this game you just stand out as a little over the top. Maybe I'm wrong, only time will tell, and like I said, I've only played with you once, so that's not a lot to go on. But it's that, which made you rise on the list from hovering around the middle.

As I said a few posts above. It was how yesterDay ended. Lightfoot basically commiting suicide so we wouldn't have a tie. Anyone would force a tie, myself included. But only a Townie would willingly die so we get some bit of information. You pushed her lynch hard. You were on at EoD with a chance to save her. You did nothing. That stands out.

As for what I'm doing to solve the game? I'm reading, contributing and theorizing. You disagree, but that's all well and good with me.

Hopefully that satisfies you. If not, then go ahead and vote for me tomorrow. I don't give into scare tactics and I will not take your word as gospel until proof is provided. And no, because you "know" something isn't proof enough for me.

[idrinkthere4iam]

But it's not that*.

Correction for the end of the first paragraph.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

But only a Townie would willingly die so we get some bit of information. You pushed her lynch hard. You were on at EoD with a chance to save her. You did nothing. That stands out.

Or, I offered her a way out, which was to help me lynch someone else, but not my town-reads.

She did nothing.

So until we agree on what actually transpired, yes, I'll vote you tomorrow. Or Scathach.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

I'm not going to provide exact posts. As I don't them, I'm posting from my phone, and it's not specific posts that make me suspicious. It's your general behavior in this game. Everyone expects you to mix it up and try to confuse everyone, but more importantly the Scum. I've only played with you once before but that's seems to be your style and from what I gather from others I think I'm right. But this game you just stand out as a little over the top. Maybe I'm wrong, only time will tell, and like I said, I've only played with you once, so that's not a lot to go on. But it's that, which made you rise on the list from hovering around the middle.

I want people to seriously consider these words.

What posts or behaviors are suspicious?

No specific posts, just my behavior in the game.

What behavior? What am I doing which is scummy behavior? Why is it scummy behavior and not townie behavior?

What goes through your brain that makes you think why, pizza isn't being a villager, he's a scumbag.

And why does it make you think that.

Nothing, no process, no explanation for why you think the way you do.

Pizza is scummy because I've played with pizza once before and from what I'm gathering from others (Who?) my style is to "confuse people".

I'm pretty sure I haven't been stuttering this game or saying anything too convoluted.

I think X and Y are villagers, and this is why I think that way. I do not want them to die. I have no special knowledge. I do not want to lynch these people because they do not fit what I understand scumbags to do, for these specific reasons.

How come I can say all these things but all drinkiepoo has to say about me is that I am suspicious because I am over the top.

What does that mean?

What general behaviors are we talking about? We're being generic about generic overall suspicion.

Hopefully that satisfies you. If not, then go ahead and vote for me tomorrow. I don't give into scare tactics and I will not take your word as gospel until proof is provided. And no, because you "know" something isn't proof enough for me.

Can anyone tell me how this is a thought in a mafia game that villagers have after I claimed to be vanilla?

"I don't give into scare tactics." No, but you hopped and danced real quick when I told you to come up with reasons why I'm suspicious, the one thing you won't do is provide actual content, just the most generic non-answer that has been provided by any player, under any circumstance, since the game began.

"I will not take your word as gospel until proof is provided".

Oh good, well at least I know where the bar is. If I can get the game host to admit that Scathach is scum, then you will take my word as gospel.

Good to know!

What proof does a vanilla townie provide?

Let me know.

I could always provide you with the same level of answer you're giving here.

Scathach is suspicious because of her general behavior this game, which even though I haven't played with her in a while, I understand to be suspicious. Unnamed others feel the same way. I can't say what she's doing that's so suspicious and I'm not saying she's scum, not at all, just that she is suspicious for her behavior, which I have yet to specify. I will suggest that her behavior is "under the top."

I won't be bullied into thinking otherwise, with all your scare tactics of asking solving questions!

My word, it's just not proper behavior in a game such as this.

You are directing a witch hunt sir, and I want no part of that! Now excuse me while I vote for someone who is acting like a villager, repeatedly, because it tickles my fancy to do so.

You are a cardboard cut-out of a villager, but there's nothing underneath. And the resolution is hardly life-like.

I'm pretty sure setting you on fire will cure you of all your ills, drink.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Not drinking. Well I was. But that's not my excuse. New work schedule. Lack of sleep. That pretty much sums up my absence. Reading now. May post if something strikes me. Otherwise going to bed. New schedule messed up sleep cycle. So trying to get it on track.

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Appears we will go down this road again...

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Let it be noted that the last game lulz played here he did the exact same thing. And he was Town.

Bolded.

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Beaten to the punch. Fact still stands though.

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

No one knows what it's like
To be the sad man
To be the bad man
Behind blue eyes

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Well I'm not inactive. I was at the time. But I've been here sense. And stuck around. While I don't see his original vote as Scummy, he's been back since I started posting. And hasn't made a reference to the fact that I'm back, nor changed his vote. I don't find him Scummy either way, but facts are facts.

Bolded.

You don't find lulz or Double A scummy.

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Something about this post doesn't sit well with me. Zeener knows lulz is the vote leader at this moment. His vote is also on lulz. Yet he tells others to not vote based on grudges. He admits his vote is not grudge based, as he was not in the pervious game with lulz, which is a fact. This just smells to me. He is jumping on a wagon when he disagrees with everyone one it. And then in the event lulz is Town an point at everyone and say "well they all voted based on a grudge, I had a real reason." I don't like it.

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Should matter to you where Scum are placing their votes. Why would you want to vote with them? Also, I'd argue that pizza has been more distracting to both town and scum than anyone in this game. Lulz has hardly done anything distracting in my opinion. He posted a naked vote. Then a random rant about horses. So? There's been a few others posting fluff things. Want an example?

Hey I did it too so don't worry about that. But I'm not accusing others of being distracting.

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Doesn't that read as lulz in the lead with 4 votes? Or did I miss something...?

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Oh, my bad. Robot doesn't catch the different names. Ignore my last post. 4-4 lulz and Zeener.

That's it. Double A and Lulz look ordinary to Drink day 1.

Zeener looked like scum and was not.

That is the entirety of Drink's reads.

====================DAY TWO

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

From day one.

You essential vote parked on me Day 1. Also, til our reaction to lulz' post looks like role fishing to me. Basically asking him to provide more about his role PM.

So, for behavior that he did not find scummy on Day One, and with LITERALLY nothing happening since then except his being wrong about Zeener, Double A is now scum.

How's that process working for you?

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Haven't seen it. So couldn't say.

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Previously stated? This?

Bandwagon started when Double A jumped on the vote immediately. And didn't really explain why. But since I was reasonable about my reason, I'm the Scum. Got it. Thanks for clarifying. Maybe I should just blind vote next time. That couldn't possibly make me appear Scummy. Shall we ask lulz how that tactic works? Everyone is trying to look reasonable. Don't agree with it, that's fine. But don't accuse me of being Scum because I'm backing up what I say. That's hypocritical.

Wow, this is so villagery.

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Ok. Let me explain how I play Mafia games. I've a very analytical player. I may not post a ton, I have a very busy schedule OOG and my hours are very erratic at times. But, I read everything. And I weigh it. I make patterns and look for logical explanations in them. I don't throw votes around willy-nilly. Usually I wait near EOD to vote (last 2 days of the Day). I like to have concrete reasons when I vote as well. That's just me. I've only been here for 4 games (maybe 5?). You can look back over them and see. This is how I am in these games. Take that for what it's worth.

Clearly.

I see all the analysis, the logical progression of your vote, and your concrete reasons!

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

I was referencing that you did it. And everyone jumped on you. Then when I provide rationale for my vote I get voted for because being providing reason being why I voted for who I did.

This is your contribution to the game, Drink.

Bottom line: Set on fire, put in the river of death.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd spoiler all this, but no.

Take a look:

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

My list of villagers, based on one hour of effort.

1) Askthepizzaguy, and it should be rather obvious to all of you by now. Sooh hasn't known me that long and she has picked up on it pretty hard.

Reason: I went way outside my normal hurr hurr I'm scum and it was mostly all I talked about day one, and it was in good humor. And it served a pro-town purpose, it got people accusing and stirring and commenting. Plus I don't go this far against the grain as scum, I'm more of a judo champion as scum than a sumo wrestler who forces everyone to agree or makes a big shoving match about it. I opposed too many people's opinions and denounced too many actions here.

I could also have invented even ONE reason to think Zeener was scum to justify moving to him. Please. I'm the expert at that as scum.

I can find the Virgin Mother to be whorish if you give me a scum role, I'll find all the evidence to support it and you'll stone her to death, guaranteed. Me voting Zeener based on nothing but "lulz is town" is why I'm town.

If that's not good enough then you still can't read me and that's fine! That's how I liked it, and it's also just how it should be. Mwa, ha, ha. Etc. Moustache. Evil. Distinguished.

2) Lulz

Because he isn't an unserious trollish mafia player like you folks seem to think he is. I've seen none of that elsewhere. So he's just different, and different is something you can generally control.

You know how I suddenly look a lot less scummy and a lot more agreeable and more rational and fun to be around.... when I'm a scumbag?

That.

That's people knowing what not to say and what not to do when they're scum.

Lulz has demonstrated zero of that and I know he's capable of it because he's not a noob and he has crossed several cultural borders, so he'd know to be extra sensitive to your sensibilities here if he were scum. He'd also be less vocal about calling out so many people. It's just disastrous for his survival. He's a villager, so get the heck off of him tomorrow. I mean it.

Need more evidence, look at his conviction about Zeener being scummy. Scums don't like to bury their credibility so early, and this was from earlier in the round than his imminent death. See 180.

I think Lulz is correct you'll find scum inside Lightfoot, Guiri, and Mahaloth. Not all, but at least one.

I am not sucking up to Lulz. He can find me scummy all day and lynch me like a big fat silly banana. He's just not scum and he's wrong about me being scum. Like a few of you, except some of you are scum.

3) Sooh

Because of the no-vote day one after all the work she did.

She is rapidly becoming an insanely good mafia player because she is capable of fooling me as scum now and she's also become quite adept at reading me, of all people. She kind of puts you guys to shame on that, having nabbed me almost every time I've been scum.

She's been scum enough and seen ME be scum enough that she knows not to no-vote on Day One, especially after I prompted her to vote.

Why because it sticks out. Because it will become the basis of votes in her direction in the future. It already stuck out and people commented on it. And she's not unaware of why that's something to avoid as scum.

So she decided to do that for a different purpose than avoiding suspicion or playing the diplomatic game.

She must have thought it was the best decision for town.

That decision is, uniquely, and for this purpose and this analysis only, a villager tell from Sooh. And unfortunately that's going to result in people reading her wrong, again why I warned her off of doing so.

My fingers are crossed on that assessment, because I do not believe I can say she's villager with supreme confidence anymore. But I still am saying she's a villager. Let's see if I can improve my guess the Sooh record.

_______________________________

4) BillMc- doesn't really have a reason for doing what he did as scum unless both were villagers. But even then.... that's ballsy.

It's not solid, I wouldn't put BillMc out of his scum range entirely for that move but it feels like he was attempting to make a choice to help his own investigation and also he seemed to want to see what I would do.

He's coming to a lot of incorrect conclusions but I can follow why he is. I think he needs to adjust his scumdar to account for the fact that I don't play on such a basic level as scum and my village game is really weird looking and looks scummy as hell.

Ask Giraffe. Poor bastard always thinks I'm scum because it's the only way he can't get fooled by me. Results in more mislynches than successes but hey, at least he can say I didn't fool him I guess.

5) Double A- To be clear, it's not outside his scum meta to not give two shits.

He's done that A LOT as scum. I'm just saying I still get the villa vibes from him.

Buuuut if you wanted to take a peek at him I wouldn't mind.

It would always stop a mislynch this game or nab a scum, so that's a great peek.

And turning him into a murder target instead of a mislynch is still amazing for village even if that's a "wasted" peek because he died, so I feel zero remorse for saying peek Double A and then he dies by murder. Better than the alternatives.

207 looks villagery from Double A.

6) DizzyMrsLizzy- her angst versus lulz feels genuine and her delivery does as well. See 149 and 150, that rings villagery.

Like, really villagery. Not good villaging, but still villagery. Super villagery.

In fact why is she green? She could probably be blue.

I just feel like our brain waves are too disparate for me to read her solidly.

7) Meeko a little bit villagery. It's vague, because it's based on so much fluff. But he lacks an agenda so much that I think he's someone on the town side who dislikes the role he's been randed and is just here to socialize. This can reverse but I see no reason to go there yet.



Some neutralish comments-

Archangel versus Guiri, I would look into that. Arch looks good if Guiri is bad, and vice-versa. See 174.

Drink's vote in 205 could be legit, but it also feels like too much justification. An attempt to make a defensible, yet incorrect vote.

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Okay opinions on the other side

SisterCoyote, particularly post 49 and 99. Both feel bad to me, meaning not villagery.

I am willing to give her all the space in the world for her real life struggles, but that doesn't invalidate my read on her as not being a villager yet.

I don't buy her suspicions at all.

Guiri. 197 felt terrible. I think bill and mine's reaction to end of day was villagery, Guiri's was not that good. It also wasn't the scummiest thing that happened this game by a long shot. But there's suspicion there.

For all the terribleness of 197, 199 felt better. I'm waffling here, but then...

222 feels pretty rough. Guiri is too good, and posts like this make me feel like he's scummy. 223 feels like the kind of stuff he'd toss at Sooh if he were scum.'

227 he's telegraphing that he will break the tie so the scums get their lynch on a townie, and therefore, that both lulz and Zeener were townies, if he is scum. By the way.

I was literally doing nothing until BillMc's vote at 5:59. I was okay with the tie.

Guiri was not expecting BillMc's move and he was responding to me. That was Guiri breaking the tie, but instead re-establishing it by mistake. Then I broke it with my deliberate response to BillMc, trying to re-establish the tie.

That's how it went down and that's what needs to be looked at soon.

Lightfoot a little bit, because I feel none of her suspicions are being directed correctly. Also her call about BillMc feels like she knows he's a villager. I don't trust that call coming from someone besides me. 148 feels too crowd-controllish.

210 feels much more prescient of the impending end of round than a villager normally would be. I sure as hell wasn't aware it was about to end. Also more concerned about the No Lynch rules than a villager should be.

It hadn't even crossed my mind that there was a tie in progress or how it would resolve until she posted that.

Scathach the scumbag who has to die very soon. So scummy she made me move my very serious vote on BillMc off of BillMc. And I'm glad she did.

All of her posts reek. Literally, all of them. Super bad. 151 is essentially a howl. 157 is the kind of stuff scum think of to accuse villagers. Attacking a villager's thinking process when it's completely normal for them, because it isn't 100 percent logical, systematic, or thorough.

UGH.

How you didn't lynch Scathach day one is beyond my mortal comprehension. Please get your act together and end her immediately day 2.



Everyone else I did not mention has a neutral lean, meaning no lean. I can't see why you're a villager except that it is mathematically likely that you are, especially if I'm correct about several scums. But you could be because you've done nothing outside of what scums can do and have not established yourselves. Get on the ball and lynch my red, and then we'll discuss my orange. Assist me.

For my villagers, I pointed to specific posts, specific behaviors and said why I think they are a bad lynch.

For my suspects, I pointed you to specific posts and said why it isn't villagery.

Day three, whenever it is convenient for you, you can either do the same, or you can be set on fire and hurled into the river of death.

And that's not a scare tactic. It's not terrorism. That's a very reasonable expectation in a game of suspicion where there are a group of people who want to make everyone else die.

It's not over the top, either.

Why is it necessary to have to badger people to provide content?

When you're a villager, you have to provide your actual thoughts and put in effort to solve the game. You cannot just float by like a piece of driftwood.

When you're a scumbag, you certainly can, because you can solve the game at night, with murders. You don't need anyone else's permission and you have no need to build consensus. You can just lean on the ropes.

The people who are providing no content, drifting through each round of the game not being dynamic, and are making no serious effort to convince people to lynch their suspects, but are content to vote for them, those are the scumbags.


Update: Archangel is looking pretty good right now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I need to explain any of this again day three, I am voting for the first person who asks me to explain it.

Call it a scare tactic and I'll leave my vote there the entire round.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I seriously will stop posting and leave my vote there, because I will be all out of ducks for charity.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

pizza I love you but I'd waste an investigation on you or lulz anyway. 😍😍😍

As I said before. Lightfoot was Town, and I wish I was up in the middle of the night to swing it.

Lulz, Guiri, pizza all look guilty as hell.

Dizzy, I gave you a pass on tone for Lulz. I can't keep doing that.

I need a lot more from you Day Three. A lot more.

I need your help. I need you to also recognize why I need your help in this situation, and why I need more from you.

If this is not okay then if you are a villager we are going to lose this game together.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If Scathach were townie then Sario's move D2 looks bad.

If she's scum it's more neutral from a veteran player but if Sario is brand new it's more town-indicative.

Please pay close attention to Scathach-Sario, and Double A-Certain Folks trying to lynch Double A, and Archangel-Drink.

Those are dynamics that need to be addressed and cannot and should not be ignored.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Let's discuss Lulz and why he's a villager and why you really need to understand this.

Originally Posted by lulz

vote: lightfoot

Originally Posted by lulz

Pizza, I'm just gonna sheep you on Scathach if you don't mind. The aspects of your case I understand are the "scum hypocrisy" claim and the "trying to blend in" aspects you mention.

In that regard I would also have to FOS:Sooh for trying to blend in.

fos meeko for trying to fly under the radar. I don't think Meeko has done anything game related besides vote. All will be forgiven if you want to turn this game into a chat about final fantasy tactics though.

But anyway...
unvote:lightfoot
vote: scathach

Originally Posted by lulz

@Sario

Snip

What do you think about Obama importing Ebola into the U.S. so that Americans would get scared and allow their freedoms to be taken away?

@Double A
Why do you think so many people are acting scummy?

@Askthepizzaguy

Why do you think Bowser can't get knocked out of his shell but regular koopas can get knocked out of theirs?



@SisterCoyote

which one of these people is scum...

(lightfoot, mahaloth, guiri)

@idrinkthere4iam
Why is Pixels such a terrible film?

Bolding mine.

Originally Posted by lulz

S.C. who's the scum on my wagon if you don't think it's any of those three?

This is a villager.

Originally Posted by lulz

If I may interject. Lightfoot accused me of dodging. Several people at this time have pointed out that I have answered all questions directed at me.

Am I to understand that you're not scumreading lightfoot?

Lulz is not scum with scathach.

Originally Posted by lulz

You can sit in the corner until you're ready to get specific about the exact comments you want responses to.

This is villagery.

This is attempting to solve. This is putting pressure. This is setting realistic expectations.

For everyone's protestations about how crap a player Lulz is, he's putting the rest of you to shame.

Originally Posted by lulz

For everyone following along these are the comments that lightfoot thought was very important.

Here is my response.
unvote:scathach
vote: lightfoot

^
THIS IS VILLAGERY.

It's villagery because it's in response to content Lightfoot was in control of.

The voting is dynamic, and is attempting to push a suspect and lynch a scum!

This is villaging! This is how village villages in a villagery manner!

It is villagery because he's trying to make something good happen for the town and explaining his reasons why, and he's not hanging back and letting others do the mislynching for him.

He's pushing. Others are content to defecate out a vote and let it sit on someone all round like so much dog feces on a neighbor's front lawn.

Originally Posted by lulz

Of the four points presented the fourth one is the most important. Lightfoot somehow misses that to focus on...

1.Trying to get bogged down on the definition of rolefishing near the end of day
2.Another instance of trying to get bogged down when "I disagree" is ultimately going to be the end result
3. Defining V/LA.

I will point out though that ignoring point 4 was not the only slip. Lightfoot has been bringing up the fact that I've "dodged" her statements but completely ignores several things that should be important...

1) Once again I was on V/LA. Even after I explained V/LA and announced that I was being selective so I can't respond to everything. Since then I had forgotten the comment existed

2) She immediately accuses of dodging instead of taking into account maybe I hadn't seen them. Yes in this instance I was actually ignoring the comments (because of V/LA) but why is Lightfoot jumping to that conclusion first instead of considering that maybe I just didn't see it? However on this I will give leeway. It appears that jumping to conclusions without considering other perspectives is actually the norm here.

3) The comment is so innocuous that several other players couldn't even find it. This is why I was directly asking other players to comment on it. Because I literally had no clue what Lightfoot was talking about and none of the other respondents did either.

.

Originally Posted by lulz

@SisterCoyote

S.C. who's the scum on my wagon if you don't think it's any of those three?

Solving questions!

Thread presence!

Follow-up!

Originally Posted by lulz

If we could lynch lightfoot that would be great. Double A is town.

Taking stands!

Originally Posted by lulz

No new posts in 12 hours despite the slew of people logging in suggests both people getting run up are town.

When are we lynching lightfoot?

sistercoyote
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This is really "scummy" behavior here, folks!

I'm just saying, he's acting like wayyyyyyyyyyyy more of a villager than youuuuuuuuuuuu!

Originally Posted by lulz

Let's challenge this assertion.

Magic horses poop gold and fart rainbows.

Now let's look at some game mechanics discussion...

You see, game mechanics discussion is wasting time and doesn't actually move the game forward. Game mechanics discussion provides everyone with just as much information as discussing magic horses. However while a discussion about magic horses is obviously not productive and nobody would pretend it is such, setup speculation can masquerade as a productive discussion and can be used to pretend to be busy when really you're not doing anything at all.

For example. How has lightfoot's "talking about game mechanics" moved the game forward? Has she used it to push a case or defend anyone? Has she used it to scumhunt? Has she done anything with it at all? No, but she's more than happy to use it as an excuse to make it seem like she's been productive this game when she really hasn't done much of anything at all.

I'm more than happy to stand corrected. If someone can point out how lightfoot has used "game mechanics" to move this game forward then I'd like to see it. Just like how nobody could pinpoint whatever important points it was that I was missing that lightfoot kept talking about, I think nobody will be able to find how lightfoot has used game mechanics to move the game forward.

This sounds like a villager talking to me.

This sounds like content.

This sounds like someone who is invested in this game and their team.

Frankly I'd rather lose to Lulz than let half of the alive players win this game at this point.

Do You C Why?

Originally Posted by lulz

I'm fine with voting Scathach or Lightfoot.

@idrinkthere4iam
If you wanna blind vote go ahead. Not sure why you think I have a problem with it. Maybe you should reference someone who actually mentioned that it's suspicious?

Feels natural, flows. Interacts with people. Asks pertinent questions.

Originally Posted by lulz

I disagree. Do we have five weak scum? For average powered scum? Three powerful scum? Do we have multiple scum teams or a serial killer? Nobody knows anything about the game mechanics except the scum team, the mods, and people with PR's. I just finished a game where the first post of the game talked about game mechanics, the third post of the game was a discussion about game mechanics, and then by the 10th post of the game one person was confirmed town and two more people were nearly confirmed to each other.

If game mechanics are important it would be proven very quickly. Otherwise it's just useless. It's absolutely fair to hold someone's feet to the fire to eliminate timewasting garbage that bogs down the town.

Cites example.

Gives strong reasoning.

Makes a really, really important point about not wasting time.

Sense of Urgency. <---------------- WAY TOWNIER THAN HALF THE TOWN.

Originally Posted by lulz

I understand your point. I just wanted to bloviate on what successful mechanical discussion looks like.

Lightfoot still scum because what kind of one shot vig doesn't shoot me if she's scumreading me that hard.

^
NOT AN UNREASONABLE POINT.




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If anyone has a problem with the points I'm making lemme know.

I just wanna know why THIS GUY is on so many people's need-to-die lists when he's town-telling way more than you are.

PARTICULARLY THE PEOPLE WHO KEEP BLOODY VOTING HIM.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Here's Scathach and her Day Two.

Originally Posted by Scáthach

Sorry for missing EOD /night - I had Friday off and today is a bank holiday here so I was basically either too drunk or too hungover to participate all weekend

I still see nothing to really convince me that lulz was scum, except maybe all the last minute vote switching around EOD? Doing a proper reread now but I'm on my phone and it's kind of a pain.

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What do you see that convinces you he's townie?

Because you should see more than just Not-Scum from lulz. It's easy for scums to know he's not scum.

Where are your reasons, where is your process?

How did a villager who knows nothing arrive at said conclusion?

Originally Posted by Scáthach

Ok nothing has really changed from yesterday after reading d1 again. Still think double A's scummy - if they'd just said "oh I just noticed idrinkthere4iam ' s name" or something it would be fine but they doubled down on it when challenged.

Maha, LightFoot and guiri are all a bit oogy to me because of voting for lulz for the same exact thing he did in the last game when he was town (which they all played in).

I also hate hate hate pizzas push for no lynch. Even if you think both players are town most of the time a no lynch just pushes the same debate a day forward and we end up lynching one of the two the next day anyway. (Interesting though for a mafia variant actually, no one gets lynched til day 5 then everyone votes in order for who they want lynched in one big bloodbath and we see who is left standing at the end )

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Inertia. Nothing dynamic.

Not attempting to change the flow of the game.

The Status Quo is OKAY.

Hates my push for No Lynch but doesn't name me town or scum for it!


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Note: I am ignoring the posts related to Zeener for the sake of the integrity of the game.
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Originally Posted by Scáthach

That's a terrible reason and you know it. If you focus on me as scum then of course everything I say will come across scummy. Honestly sometimes I understand how people see me as scum, people always do in every game, but I'm really not following the reasoning right now.

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Wants to know why I think she's scum.

Am I a villager for thinking she's scum, or scummy for thinking she's scum?

Isn't that important for a villager to take a stand on?!?

Originally Posted by Scáthach

True, but I expect better

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You've got it, old friend.

You deserve not a half-assed accusation from me, and you have it now.

Originally Posted by Scáthach

You keep asking this then ignoring the answer.

This isn't solving, it's badgering Double A.

Originally Posted by Scáthach

Also, confusingly, he doesn't say flinch in that post at all so I'm not even sure why you're talking about definitions of words that weren't used

This is also not solving. It is commenting and continues the above smearing of Double A.

How does the bolded lead to the conclusion he's scum?

Are you even re-assessing your original thought on him?

You're being lazy even for a scumbag here. The inertia is suffocating me and my entire village to death. I blame you!

Originally Posted by Scáthach

If you're just asking if I find Lightfoot scummy for accusing you of dodging, then honestly I hadn't really noticed her doing it, if anything dizzy was the one who keeps saying you weren't answering questions (when in fact you had).

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Neutral.

Originally Posted by Scáthach

I thought I'd already voted for some reason -

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Lazy, inertia.

No sense of urgency. No pushing.

Scathach the villager is rolling over in her grave. You are doing your villager game a severe disservice if you think this resembles you at all.

Originally Posted by Scáthach

Yeah Zeener if you're still watching can you just come in and post unvote all so the vote counting robot isn't confused?

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That's all you did day two.

That's why you need to be lynched Day Three.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Stop me folks if you think I'm way off base in these assessments.

Take a stand. Shock me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now I'm going to attack Mahaloth.

Because what are you doing?

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Why pizza and guiri if it isn't lulz? I guess I'm forgetful. Have they been buddies?

I don't suspect pizza at all. He's hard to read. Guiri has me leaning town for the most part. Lulz? Well, he is an odd one. He swore up and down I was scum last game, just like he did about zeener.

I'm still kind of seeing lulz as scum. I know he acted like a jerk last time. I know pizza(who I think is town) thinks that doesn't matter. But, still, his tone just makes me suspect him. I don't have a huge suspect aside from him, but I am open to another case if something strong comes along.

vote lulz

But you have made no attempt to read me.

Not suspecting me isn't enough.

That's not the same doing something.

Say why I'm a villager.

His tone makes you suspect him. Why?

Tell me why my defense of him N2 that I just did is all invalid if you continue to vote for him.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I would not hold your breath.

What is the basis of this?

Why are you simply aligning against lulz?

That's not how villagers solve games.

All you're doing here is ostracizing him. And that infuriates me to no end.

Nothing personal Mahaloth, but this is beyond sub-par from you.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I like him.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I'm not against lynching scathach, really. I just think lulz is scum.

What do you mean he is town 95% of the time here? He's only played one prior game here and he was Town. All of us are town most of the time, but hardly 95%. I am not sure the percentage, but isn't it more like 80-85% that anyone gets a town role?

So, lynch her first. I triple-dog-dare you.

Or come up with actual reasons why he's a scumbag.

Anything will do. His tone looks pretty villagery to me.

What else do you have on Lulz?

And why is Scathach lynchworthy? Got anything for me on that, or were you just saying that?

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

You wish. Stop hitting on me.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Huh, that was actually reasonably well thought out and actually explained, lulz. Wish you'd participate like that on a regular basis. I still think you are scum, though.

Lazy.

Inertia.

Status Quo.

Not solving. Not taking any risks.

Not pressuring anyone else in the game!

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

:snipped:

Is that what you guys are saying? If so, I will remove my vote from lulz. I am not skimming, but I do appear to have missed where they appeared to claim some sort of masonary(sic).

And the vote remained.


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You guys are looking pretty horrendous.

What's going to happen next is that Scathach is going to be lynched.

Then, when she flips scum, you are going to lynch Mahaloth or Drink. In any order you wish.

Double A is town and Mahaloth is not.

Lulz is town and Scathach is not.

Archangel is town and Drink is not.

Askthepizzaguy is town. Sooh is town.

I cannot read Meeko because he's not investing in the game.

Dizzy and Bill aren't giving me much to work with. But I would rather leave Bill alone. Dizzy needs to start making sense.

Guiri, I dunno, Sario, I dont know!

But if they help me lynch three scumbags, I'll consider them my village, because who do I have to help me?

• Guiri is a scumbag or the equivalent of one until he stops voting for Double A. I could really use your help here, Gooey, stop tunneling Double A for one round.

• Guiri is doing the best out of the people I'm not sure of to pretend to be a villager if he's not one. So I'm content to lose the game to Guiri if he's scum, much like Lulz.

Originally Posted by guiri

Got my popcorn, wonder if it'll be another exciting EoD.

I was on the fence about her but I don't buy Lightfoot's claim, I don't see a town vig with a strong scum candidate worrying about multiple one-shot vigs all shooting at the same target and therefore wasting her one-shot power.

I still think Double A is scum.

This post took a stand. Thank you.

You're not clear but look man, this is what I have to work with.

I'd love to be able to check off more people as clear, and I can't.

It's not for lack of trying, I assure you.

Sario looks better if Scathach is mafia, repeating what I said before.

We need to resolve Scathach, Dizzy, or Mahaloth.

Have I done this exhaustively yet?

Can we do something interesting day three please? Anything?

Lynch me tomorrow. Take a shot at me being the scums here. I'd love to see someone try that right now.

Fair warning: I will bite and claw and kick you and generally not be jovial. So heads up.

Step into the arena, I feel like returning to my Hoplite roots and spearing one of you right now.

SisterCoyote: I dunno. I can't find a villager here either and I've tried.

Welp. *washes my hand of it* I will chalk this one up to real life has drained you.

Congratulations, you just became a villager because I don't have a village without you.

This is all I got. This is not Pizza the scumbag.

I trust Sooh, Double A, and Lulz to read these posts. Someone carry on my legacy when I die. I am trusting you, you three are my core village.

Bust them in the mouth, make them bleed for me. This is my plea.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is all you can generally expect from Bill, just chalking that up to real life as well.

He still took more of a stand in 4 posts than most of you have taken this whole game.

That's the bar. You have to hurdle that bar or you're not a villager.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Double A
@lulz
@Sooh
@guiri
@BillMc
@Archangel
@Sario
@SisterCoyote

~Seven of you are villagers, in my opinion.

Please make an attempt at considering the points I've made in the posts directly above this one, all the way to Drink's last post.

If, after you have done so, you wish to lynch me, or lulz, or Double A, then do so.

You are now my village.

I need your help. Thank you for listening.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In exchange for half of you saying you have actually read the above, I will vote and not post unless someone asks me a direct question day three.

I'm pretty drained now anyway.

[Askthepizzaguy]

We need to resolve Scathach, Dizzy, or Mahaloth.

^Drink.

Dizzy too, maybe, I don't know. What's the difference at this point?

Show me which one of them is a villager if one is. It's not both.