Greek History Mafia D4

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

So you offer up that there may be other answers. Yet don't want to provide any of your own?

Can I vote for you twice?

Now who is role fishing?

[LightFoot]

Follow up to post 48 ( because I said I would)

I found Pizza’s LyLo post Post 151 Day 3

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Can you offer up another explanation?

He was suspicious of double a before meekos result but is ignoring it now that meeko has cleared up that he didnt actually confirm anyone as town. I would have expected at least some sort of reaction to that.

I could also be persuaded to vote double a or lulz. Double a for reasons I've explained multiple times. Lulz because now I know he's not cleared I'm a bit suspicious that his persona is much different this game, less brash and less certainty of his scum targets that when he was town last time I played.

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[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

See post # 78 above?

Yes? I fail to see where I said I'd follow up later and didn't. Only time I said I'd follow up later was when Pizza asked me to answer his suspicions and I said I would later, and then I did.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Now who is role fishing?

Asking her to provide a theory after she claimed there were other ways is role fishing? Color me confused.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

He was suspicious of double a before meekos result but is ignoring it now that meeko has cleared up that he didnt actually confirm anyone as town. I would have expected at least some sort of reaction to that.

I could also be persuaded to vote double a or lulz. Double a for reasons I've explained multiple times. Lulz because now I know he's not cleared I'm a bit suspicious that his persona is much different this game, less brash and less certainty of his scum targets that when he was town last time I played.

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Not ignoring anything. More suspicious of another now though. Now that it's confirmed that double a is just vanilla. Not necessarily town, he's back on my list.

Meeko is also on my list because I don't see why he would wait so long to verify his results with everyone. They've been questioned for days and he held silent until it was basically dragged out of him. Stalling like that only hurts the Town. I also don't usually base anything on what a mod may or may not do, but I've only ever seen a role cop as a Scum role. Find vanilla players to shrink the night kill target pool to players with roles. It could very well be a town role, I've just never seen it (let it be noted that before my 5 or so games here I haven't played in like 5 years).

Please refer back to this tomorrow after you mislynch me.

[idrinkthere4iam]

I'd also claim, but I'm vanilla. If you're going to mislynch, it might as well be me to protect those who have roles.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

Asking her to provide a theory after she claimed there were other ways is role fishing? Color me confused.

What colour crayon would you like?



you have played this game before you know there are ways to stop/change a NK- asking for specifics - is basically asking for a player to elaborate on a subject that might just out them as a Town power-

Don't you think?

[idrinkthere4iam]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

What colour crayon would you like?



you have played this game before you know there are ways to stop/change a NK- asking for specifics - is basically asking for a player to elaborate on a subject that might just out them as a Town power-

Don't you think?

Yes. And I was willing to leave well enough alone and not ask why pizza died. I don't have a power, so I didn't speculate about it. She is the one that opened the door to other possibilities. Why say anything, then back off completely when questioned? You notice how I didn't press her further after she gave a theory for why she thought that?

People were questioning, and still are, about the lack of Night kill on Night 1. Are they role fishing?

[LightFoot]

Interesting bits from Day one

Originally Posted by Double A

~snipped~

Don't you talk about my parents having sex like that, Pizzaman .

This was Day one- we don’t think Pizza was recruited yet- but why would Double A attribute the comment to Pizza?
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Originally Posted by lulz

~snipped~
Guiri's point was a fine enough one. Zeener was RVS, and there's a least one person who's on my wagon who's scum. I attract scum votes like flies to shit.

Speaking of shit...
100% CHANCE one of these three is scum...
Guiri, lightfoot, mahaloth.

EWWW, ALL three of these "serious votes" are awful but...
since Guiri has attempted to provide content we can rule him out.

Lightfoot and Mahaloth's posts are equally gross. But Mahaloth just came off one of the worst games I've ever seen from a townie so I'm gonna ignore her for now. This post from Lightfoot pings particularly scummy...

Singled out a Scum in the three-but- voted the Town player

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Originally Posted by Archangel

Is this comment literal? You don't know which team you're on? Or was it more of an "I'm not claiming a team"?

Originally Posted by Zeener Diode

So you're a Miller?

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

In spirit, if not in role.

I shall not fight my scumminess. I am embracing moustache life.

I will focus on accusing scums and not worrying about looking like a mobster wielding a tommy while covered in blood.

The best defense for pizza is none at all.

Pizza knew he was recruitable and crumbed it. – depending on how the mechanic works he could have been recruited Day/Night One

[SisterCoyote]

Mm. I'm happy enough with my vote where it is for now, but Double A definitely needs a harder look tomorrow.

[LightFoot]

From Night One

Originally Posted by Double A

Talk shit about johnhughthom.

From the beginning of Day Four

Originally Posted by Visorslash

Askthepizzaguy was formerly Socrates, but was converted to Johnhughthom

No wonder he's dead.

Guiri Here is Pizza’s first coloured list- from Night One
____________________________
Again Night One
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Originally Posted by Double A

Pizza's right. I cannot advocate my murder enough. Mafia, come get me.

Is this a crumb?

[idrinkthere4iam]

Definitely seems like a connection between pizza and double a there.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Idrinkthere4iam (4): Sooh (35), LightFoot (78), SisterCoyote (93), Scáthach (103)
Double A (1): idrinkthere4iam (113)
Sistercoyote (1): lulz (51), idrinkthere4iam (81)[113]
Idrink (1): BillMc (89)
Lulz (0): SisterCoyote (50)[93]
Sooh (0): SisterCoyote (12)[41]
Lightfoot (0): lulz (4)[51]

there is a run away on Idrink- I liked my case- but I don't like this wagon.



Scum can't afford to lose another- but there seems to be no real movement for a rescue
( is it plausible that Idrink is the last Scum? ) I don't think so- with recruitment?



( see my post above)

It may answer a few questions- previously deceased Townies were suspect of Double A ( on re-read) and it is not a horrible idea to listen to them.

[Scáthach]

[Unvote ]Idrinkthere4iam [/unvote]



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[Double A]

Jesus fuck are you guys reading into things way too hard.

Originally Posted by idrinkthere4iam

I posted Night 2 that suspected him. No one agreed so I dropped it and just watched him. After he was so adamant to vote scathach then changed to maha my eyebrows raised. The reason was a good one, but he got on other players for the same logic. So I felt he was being hypocrital. When maha flipped scum I felt it was a staged bussing for him to gain town cred. A lot of players were following him as it was. It all felt off to me.

Why would I fucking want townie cred? I was out of the spotlight entirely and I didn't think he was going to get bandwagoned so hard.
for incredibly fishy logic. Godfather is the most important role. I would've bussed someone way less important, or more likely, no one at all because there was no reason to.

Originally Posted by guiri

But this is new, did you ever share these thoughts?

I'm still bothered by Double A and his reactions to Scathach, changing his story again.
But she DID post on page 1, just after you voted, that was my point, you lied about your reason for not voting her, simple as that.

And I'm still bothered by Scathach's reactions to my actions.

I have a genuinely atrocious memory. I can barely remember what I was thinking that day, so it's like I'm analyzing myself. I'll try to make it as clear as possible.

It's day 1, thus necessitating my traditional joke vote on Pizza (among others) while I wait for things to heat up. I voted for Pizza, and then I properly voted for drinky. I get called out for my entirely silly reason, which is honestly a first for me. I'm very used to making up bullshit reasons for voting someone on D1 on my stomping grounds, and no one even bats an eye because that's the custom. I see it's apparently somewhat more serious D1 here, but I'm just totally incredulous at how far out of hand this whole thing has gotten.

Anyway, I quicksearched Scathach on page 1 when I was making an argument about her having posted then, and saw she did on that page. I didn't check to compare the timestamp to my vote for drinky because I just didn't care terribly much about something so trivial. I really don't want to spend any more time searching threads over what I still think is a really dumb stupid boring dumb matter, so if it doesn't make sense now then I don't know what to say.

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Interesting bits from Day one

This was Day one- we don’t think Pizza was recruited yet- but why would Double A attribute the comment to Pizza?

Because it sounds like the sort of ridiculous shit Pizza would say. One of my nicknames is Batteryman.

Singled out a Scum in the three-but- voted the Town player

Was anyone pushing for a serious Maha lynch at the time? Keep in mind multiple people voted to lynch you.

Originally Posted by LightFoot

From Night One

oh my god are you fucking serious
in jokes are scummy guys did you know that

Also, I have yet to see a game where the target of a conversion will have their new role name revealed to the converter before the night is over. In other words, there is no possible way even the mafia could've known Pizza would've turned into jht. He could've been Bob Barker for all they knew.

From the beginning of Day Four

Guiri Here is Pizza’s first coloured list- from Night One

There's no possible way Pizza could've even been on the mafia team at that point. Conversion -or any other action- doesn't take place in the middle of the night.

Again Night One
-

Is this a crumb?

I was trying to bait the mafia into killing a vanilla over a power role. I would much prefer my death to a better or more valuable townie's.

Also, at this point I am almost absolutely convinced you are scum (and not just reading into things too much). Your logic scrapes by without being closely examined, but I've really looked at it, and it's so full of holes you could legally call it the American tax code in court.

Incidentally, this post:

Originally Posted by Double A

It was a really terribly-timed claim. If Meeko doesn't die tonight then he's clearly scum.

was me trying to get the mafia to not target Meeko in the hopes that because I thought he looked scummy, they would assume I'd push for a lynch and thus negate their need to murder him. I guess I may as well reveal that now because it's not like it matters if I die.

[Double A]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

them.

has it not been mentioned that I'm a guy because I think it was at least heavily implied at some point
at the very least Pizza probably used male pronouns
Them is such a clunky word.

[lulz]

unvote SisterCoyote

vote idrinkthere4iam

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Double A

has it not been mentioned that I'm a guy because I think it was at least heavily implied at some point
at the very least Pizza probably used male pronouns
Them is such a clunky word.

You have yours I have mine- I use non gender often

[LightFoot]

this didn't post

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Double A

Jesus fuck are you guys reading into things way too hard.

Why would I fucking want townie cred? I was out of the spotlight entirely and I didn't think he was going to get bandwagoned so hard.

I drink was talking about Pizza I am pretty sure?

[vote ]Idrinkthere4iam for incredibly fishy logic. Godfather is the most important role. I would've bussed someone way less important, or more likely, no one at all because there was no reason to.

Again what are you referring to? ie godfather?

~snipped~ Because it sounds like the sort of ridiculous shit Pizza would say. One of my nicknames is Batteryman.

so you were skimming? It was a post by the Mod-don't bring previous games to the table- it is counter productive

Was anyone pushing for a serious Maha lynch at the time? Keep in mind multiple people voted to lynch you.

oh my god are you fucking serious
in jokes are scummy guys did you know that

again I don't follow what you are saying

Also, I have yet to see a game where the target of a conversion will have their new role name revealed to the converter before the night is over. In other words, there is no possible way even the mafia could've known Pizza would've turned into jht. He could've been Bob Barker for all they knew.

can you explain the random use of the same name?

There's no possible way Pizza could've even been on the mafia team at that point. Conversion -or any other action- doesn't take place in the middle of the night.

You are not Modding this game how could you possibly know?

I was trying to bait the mafia into killing a vanilla over a power role. I would much prefer my death to a better or more valuable townie's.

Also, at this point I am almost absolutely convinced you are scum (and not just reading into things too much). Your logic scrapes by without being closely examined, but I've really looked at it, and it's so full of holes you could legally call it the American tax code in court.

Incidentally, this post:

was me trying to get the mafia to not target Meeko in the hopes that because I thought he looked scummy, they would assume I'd push for a lynch and thus negate their need to murder him. I guess I may as well reveal that now because it's not like it matters if I die.

He said you were vanilla they wouldn't have targeted you anyway - Town or Scum ( since they would know if 'e was telling the truth )

[Double A]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

You have yours I have mine- I use non gender often

Alright, I was just trying to clear up any confusion. I do wish there were a better gender neutral pronoun than they/them, though.

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I drink was talking about Pizza I am pretty sure?

WHOOPS that makes a lot more sense

Again what are you referring to? ie godfather?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Godfather
Godfathers are the head of the mafia team. Usually they have fancier powers than your typical goon. It's a somewhat common role, and in this game I imagine Mahaloth was a sort of cult leader/godfather hybrid.

so you were skimming?

No. I read the post, and I made a joke. In my experience, daytime anonymous messages have mostly been used to post either silly nonsense or fuck with someone. I thought this was Pizza fucking with me via joke, because he likes doing that.

It was a post by the Mod-don't bring previous games to the table- it is counter productive

So I'm supposed to ignore my six year relationship with Pizza?

again I don't follow what you are saying

I don't think it's scummy that he didn't vote for Maha because no one else was trying to lynch Maha yet. It's exactly like everyone else. Lulz, I really hope that if I die this post clears you.

Also, regarding the in-joke...

can you explain the random use of the same name?

johnhughthom is an older mafia player on the org and CFC renowned for his ability to talk shit (we actually like him though, but don't tell him I said that). He is also Pizza's role post-conversion. This is because the mafia is clearly (to me, Pizza, and Visor) TWC/CFC/org themed. Rebel Jeb, Mahaloth's role, is a douche from TWC who somehow became a mafia subforum moderator in spite of his distaste of the game. His brother, Confederate Jeb, is somewhat less douchey, and if he's not Mafia Man #2 I will eat my hat. I the other convert is probably Beskar/Takhisis based on his toned-down similarities to john. I also wouldn't be surprised if it was Earthling or General Handkerchief. Or shit, even me.

You are not Modding this game how could you possibly know?

I don't know, but if Pizza was converted mid-night then it would fly in the face of literally all the precedent set over the past, I dunno, decade? by our group's hosting culture and tendencies. Visor himself has personally never done anything of the sort. I know he said don't take other games into account, but I would find it impossibly hard to believe that Pizza was given his mafia role PM before anyone else got a nightly results PM at the start of D2. I would wager he was town for a bit longer than one night, but given the fact that he was converted, I am 99.99% certain he was a townie the first day and night, and everything he said should be taken at face value.

He said you were vanilla they wouldn't have targeted you anyway - Town or Scum ( since they would know if 'e was telling the truth )

I thought I said that before I was confirmed vanilla? Regardless, taunting the mafia is really fun.
taunt taunt taunt

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Double A

Godfather is the most important role. I would've bussed someone way less important, or more likely, no one at all because there was no reason to.

Where did this come from? Was Mahaloth the godfather?

Your explanation for your squirming/lie sounds plausible but it's 3 Days after the fact.

Originally Posted by Double A

Also, at this point I am almost absolutely convinced you are scum (and not just reading into things too much).

But you're not voting her, for self-defence?

Since Meeko does not seem to be able to, or want to, cooperate here.



I think it's 5-4. I'm not opposed to a Drinkie lynch but prefer DoubleA.

[idrinkthere4iam]

It's 5-4. Me being lynched. If scathach's botched unvote counts. Otherwise it's 6-3.

[Double A]

Originally Posted by guiri

Where did this come from? Was Mahaloth the godfather?

Your explanation for your squirming/lie sounds plausible but it's 3 Days after the fact.

Is this a trick question?

Originally Posted by Visorslash

They stitched up Mahaloth, who was pretending to be Theseus.

He was actually Rebel Jeb. What a nutter.

He was a bulletproof mafia mastermind.

That's kind of the textbook definition of godfather right there.

But you're not voting her, for self-defence?

Since Meeko does not seem to be able to, or want to, cooperate here.



I think it's 5-4. I'm not opposed to a Drinkie lynch but prefer DoubleA.

Okay, I got on Drinkie because I thought she was using really weird logic and didn't actually think to change. I'm still reasonably sure she's scum as well, but if you'd rather have everyone flip the wagon onto Lightfeet, I'm game. But right now I'm bed.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Idrinkthere4iam (5): Sooh (35), LightFoot (78)[114], SisterCoyote (93), Scáthach (103), Double A (116), lulz (118)
Double A (3): idrinkthere4iam (113), LightFoot (114), guiri (123)
Idrink (1): BillMc (89)
Lulz (0): SisterCoyote (50)[93]
Sistercoyote (0): lulz (51)[118], idrinkthere4iam (81)[113]
Sooh (0): SisterCoyote (12)[41]
Lightfoot (0): lulz (4)[51]

2 hours -minutes left-

Do you count dangling chads ( ie botched code) when doing your vote tally? if so see post 115


Voting History:
post #4: lulz voted Lightfoot
post #12: SisterCoyote voted Sooh
post #35: Sooh voted Idrinkthere4iam
post #41: SisterCoyote unvoted Sooh
post #50: SisterCoyote voted Lulz
post #51: lulz unvoted
post #51: lulz voted Sistercoyote
post #78: LightFoot voted Idrinkthere4iam
post #81: idrinkthere4iam voted Sistercoyote
post #89: BillMc voted Idrink
post #93: SisterCoyote unvoted Whoever The Hell I'm Voting
post #93: SisterCoyote voted Idrinkthere4iam
post #103: Scáthach voted Idrinkthere4iam
post #113: idrinkthere4iam unvoted Sistercoyote
post #113: idrinkthere4iam voted Double A
post #114: LightFoot unvoted All
post #114: LightFoot voted Double A
post #115: Scáthach illegally voted Double A
post #116: Double A voted Idrinkthere4iam
post #118: lulz unvoted Sistercoyote
post #118: lulz voted Idrinkthere4iam
post #123: guiri voted Double A

[LightFoot]

double A
I know what a Godfather is but didn't understand why you brought it up

If characters were brought up that are not common knowledge on this board- then it is suspect- since "we" the collective we- that play here- cannot be expected to know these things

the shorthand that Lulz used and the questions about same should have been a clue, n'es pas?

[LightFoot]

On this forum Godfather is a generally a Scum that reads Town when investigated - your definition is different it seems

[LightFoot]

Quoting Double A

I don't know, but if Pizza was converted mid-night then it would fly in the face of literally all the precedent set over the past, I dunno, decade? by our group's hosting culture and tendencies. Visor himself has personally never done anything of the sort. I know he said don't take other games into account, but I would find it impossibly hard to believe that Pizza was given his mafia role PM before anyone else got a nightly results PM at the start of D2. I would wager he was town for a bit longer than one night, but given the fact that he was converted, I am 99.99% certain he was a townie the first day and night, and everything he said should be taken at face value.

Actual conversion would only happen when the player notices they have a PM and reads it

[LightFoot]

- sidebar- I like doing these cross culture games - but players need to realize that it is cross culture and be more willing to explain some of the references when they are used.

[LightFoot]

NETA and to remember that it is NOT a scum ( wolf) tell to ask

[Visorslash]

I read what the vote counter says and go from that.

[Scáthach]

I'm around and would fix it but it looks like that would create a tie which I definitely don't want

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[idrinkthere4iam]

You fix it and it's 5-4. I still go but it's closer.

[idrinkthere4iam]

Well.

Look at double a, meeko and sister. Go Town!

[Double A]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

double A
I know what a Godfather is but didn't understand why you brought it up

Cause godfather = mafia leader. It's just shorthand in this case, really. I've also seen plenty of scan immune rather than kill immune godfathers, and there are plenty of other nicknames for the role. Really anything works. I just made up head douche and that would probably make enough sense to work.

If characters were brought up that are not common knowledge on this board- then it is suspect- since "we" the collective we- that play here- cannot be expected to know these things

Yeah which is why I finally took the time to explain it. It wasn't terribly relevant until now.

the shorthand that Lulz used and the questions about same should have been a clue, n'es pas?

or he could be fucking with what he considers to be a bad town
or I could be missing the point of what you're trying to say here

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Quoting Double A

Actual conversion would only happen when the player notices they have a PM and reads it

Have you ever had a game on here where the results PMs turn in before the very beginning of the day? I'll take a long, slow drink of some soda when you reply so I can do a spit take if you say yes, because not once in six years on three forums and brief forays into about three others have I heard of such a thing.