Night Two -- Monster Manual Mafia

[Pleonast]

Jeopardy Contestant is lynched.

Role: Beholder
Side: Monster
Win: when all Heroes are eliminated and at least one Monster remains alive.
Alignment: Lawful Evil
Powers:
1. Charm: once per game at Night, you may target another player. You will learn that player's targets and their results, if any, unless they are protected, or you are blocked or redirected.
2. Disintegrate: once per game at Night, you may target another player. That player will die, unless they are protected, or you are blocked or redirected.
3. Sleep: once per game at Night, you may target another player. That player will have all powers blocked, unless they are protected, or you are blocked or redirected.
4. Wound: once per game at Night, you may target another player. That player will have all protections removed, unless you are blocked or redirected. This power cannot be protected against.
5. Telekinesis: once per game at Night, you may target two players. Any powers the first player uses will be redirected to the second player.
6. Fear: once per game during the Day, you may use this power. Two players will be subject to the lynch, instead of one, based on the vote count and tie breakers.

Kali has all powers mod-blocked ToDay and ToNight, and earns one infraction point. They will also be substituted at the Dawn of Day Three.

Night Two will end on Tuesday 9 October, at 12 noon California time.

[Owlbear]

Wow. That's a lot of power. Why wasn't he playing?

[Eater of Socks]

I think he was, at least using powers?

2. Disintegrate: once per game at Night, you may target another player. That player will die, unless they are protected, or you are blocked or redirected.
6. Fear: once per game during the Day, you may use this power. Two players will be subject to the lynch, instead of one, based on the vote count and tie breakers.

And any other we couldn't see the obvious results of.

[Mad Mage]

Originally Posted by Owlbear

Wow. That's a lot of power. Why wasn't he playing?

That is a lot of power and it could explain the two lynches on D1? What do you think?

[Mad Mage]

Originally Posted by Eater of Socks

I think he was, at least using powers?

2. Disintegrate: once per game at Night, you may target another player. That player will die, unless they are protected, or you are blocked or redirected.
6. Fear: once per game during the Day, you may use this power. Two players will be subject to the lynch, instead of one, based on the vote count and tie breakers.

And any other we couldn't see the obvious results of.

I see you got there before I did.

[Bahamut]

I concur; the question in front of us (iocaine included) is whether he used any of his other powers.

[Mad Mage]

Originally Posted by Bahamut

I concur; the question in front of us (iocaine included) is whether he used any of his other powers.

Well, he did say he had nothing to report.

[Owlbear]

Telekinesis would account for me getting the message about Gazebo.

[Onna Role]

2. May account for one of the deaths N1
5. May explain why Owlbear got results from a power he didn’t claim.
6. May account for one of the Lynches D1

and on preview I am spouting old news

[Alan_Tudyk]

My power yields no information, and is completely passive. However, Purple Worm, if you target me with a power, you are likely to get through my defenses.

Onna Role, Bahamut, Ogre Jelly: you will not get through, so it is not in your best interest to target me with powers.

Everyone else: It's possible, but I cannot say for sure without knowing who shall target me.

[Eater of Socks]

Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

My power yields no information, and is completely passive. However, Purple Worm, if you target me with a power, you are likely to get through my defenses.

Onna Role, Bahamut, Ogre Jelly: you will not get through, so it is not in your best interest to target me with powers.

Everyone else: It's possible, but I cannot say for sure without knowing who shall target me.

Err, how do you know whether or not specific people would be able to target you? Not following the logic, here.

[Alan_Tudyk]

Originally Posted by Eater of Socks

Err, how do you know whether or not specific people would be able to target you? Not following the logic, here.

And I'll keep the reason why to myself, for the moment.

[Onna Role]

Nice red cape you have there, Alan_T
El Toro!
Ole!

[Gelatinous Cube]

Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

And I'll keep the reason why to myself, for the moment.

*Cube quivers*Intriguing

[Bahamut]

Originally Posted by Eater of Socks

Err, how do you know whether or not specific people would be able to target you? Not following the logic, here.

He has stated he has a self-protective power that is completely passive. Purple Worm can apparently bypass those defenses. The three he has named, at least one of whom was not coincidentally on his suspects list yesterDay (that is, me), cannot.

Either the power is passive but limited, and he cannot control who can and who cannot get through, or he is not telling the truth about the power being passive. There's probably a third option but I'm too dim to come up with it just at the moment.

And while we're throwing WiFoM out there, my power is also primarily passive.

[Bahamut]

Ah, found my third option: his ability is somehow related to those who have voted him.

[Owlbear]

I'm a-gonna guess that Jeopardy Contestant, having used his powers and found only Town dead, decided that, with that kind of luck in choosing, he'd better lay low.

Or somethin'.

[Onna Role]

Originally Posted by Owlbear

I'm a-gonna guess that Jeopardy Contestant, having used his powers and found only Town dead, decided that, with that kind of luck in choosing, he'd better lay low.

Or somethin'.

That is a reasonable assumption, and one I came to also.
He could have cleared up your information ( if he did it) though.

[Friendly_Illithid]

Fuck.

[Bahamut]

Yeah, pretty much exactly that.

The Dead 1. Zumsandorala -- Monster -- Hobgoblin -- Lynched Day One 10. Jeopardy Contestant -- Monster -- Beholder -- Lynched Day Two 13. Stocaryn Dragonsoultouched -- Monster -- Doppleganger -- Killed Night One 14. Chamber Pot Thieve -- Monster -- Goblin -- Killed Night One 17. Paladin of Slaughter -- Monster -- Orc -- Killed Night One The Living 2. Ogre Jelly 3. Alan_Tudyk 4. Onna Role 5. Bahamut 6. Roving Mauler 7. Erinyes 8. Kali -- 2 infraction points To be replaced at Dawn (do the infraction points carry?) 9. Gelatinous Cube 11. Eater of Socks 12. Mordenkainen 15. Owlbear 16. The Gazebo 18. vichyssoise please 19. Mad Mage 21. PurpleWorm The Special Case (because there's always one ) 20. Friendly_Illithid -- Monster -- Zombie

Already an awful lot of blue on that list.

[Onna Role]

Originally Posted by Bahamut

Ah, found my third option: his ability is somehow related to those who have voted him.

How so ? I didn't vote him at any time, nor has he voted for me

[Onna Role]

my definition of passive ( i mean the one I go by )"accepting or allowing what happens or what others do, without active response or resistance."

How can selected players be influenced as stated by Alan with this definition?
unless he gets a randomized list?

curiouser and curiouser

[The Gazebo]

Originally Posted by Bahamut

Yeah, pretty much exactly that.


Already an awful lot of blue on that list.

So 15 remaining living players, with a Monster:Hero ratio somewhere between 2:1 and 4:1? Unless there was mention in the set-up threads about how many Heroes there would be?

In a slower-paced game, I would guess we'd have three more mislynches before the Heroes would claim victory?

But there have been five deaths in two cycles, and if that rate kept up we would be down to 10 players at the end of N3 and 5 at the end of N4. I'm guessing that's unlikely. Still, we need a good Vig action and/or to limit our mislynches.

[Onna Role]

I ruffled some feathers so if I die tonight


We now know the wagon on me was not to save a Hero Jeopardy.
Could it have been to prevent Mordenk***** or Alan_T**** from getting too close to the noose?
The rockin’ and rollin’ didn’t start until after I voted Morden and continued after Erinyes joined me .

‘Magic baggers’ Information that isn’t clarified.
Roving Mauler D2:88
Erinyes D2:122
Eater of Socks D2:127
Alan_T multiples including D2:180, and N2:10

And to a lesser degree
Bahamut seemed to understand Erinyes/Eater of Socks. D2:128
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[Onna Role]

For Ogre Jelly

Originally Posted by Ogre Jelly

I've caught up as best I can. The ones that stand out for me are Onna Roll and Jeopardy Contestant.

I too noted that Onna Role threw out a line but their power that seemed out of place. What was the point? Don't we all have powers? Seemed like a not-so-subtle implication that they had something useful and therefore important not to lynch.

Jeopardy Contestant strikes me as one who is discussing but not really saying anything. Scum often hide there.

vote] Onna Roll [/vote]

While I'm suspicious of JC and this is a multi-vote game, I'm not voting for them since I want Onna Roll lynched more.

My point was that I did not have anything useful, and as I stated D2:204 “ If I ask someone to take off their shoes, I should be barefoot”
You ,misread/ didn’t really read what I said
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[vichyssoise please]

Originally Posted by Onna Role

For Ogre Jelly

My point was that I did not have anything useful, and as I stated D2:204 “ If I ask someone to take off their shoes, I should be barefoot”
You ,misread/ didn’t really read what I said
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If you had something useful but giving it away might keep it from being as useful in the future, would you take off your shoes then? Or would you use your best judgment about going barefoot or not?

[The Gazebo]

Originally Posted by Onna Role

I ruffled some feathers so if I die tonight


We now know the wagon on me was not to save a Hero Jeopardy.
Could it have been to prevent Mordenk***** or Alan_T**** from getting too close to the noose?
The rockin’ and rollin’ didn’t start until after I voted Morden and continued after Erinyes joined me .

‘Magic baggers’ Information that isn’t clarified.
Roving Mauler D2:88
Erinyes D2:122
Eater of Socks D2:127
Alan_T multiples including D2:180, and N2:10

And to a lesser degree
Bahamut seemed to understand Erinyes/Eater of Socks. D2:128
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Maybe not the best thing to ask for answers at Night, but for follow-up the next Day, I agree to keep this in mind.

@Mordenkainen - did you ever figure out your vote picture for yesterDay? And you said ( http://www.giraffeboards.com/showpos...&postcount=254 ) that Owlbear's vote for Kali seemed like a town action to you. Could you elaborate a little?

[Owlbear]

Originally Posted by The Gazebo

So 15 remaining living players, with a Monster:Hero ratio somewhere between 2:1 and 4:1? Unless there was mention in the set-up threads about how many Heroes there would be?

In a slower-paced game, I would guess we'd have three more mislynches before the Heroes would claim victory?

But there have been five deaths in two cycles, and if that rate kept up we would be down to 10 players at the end of N3 and 5 at the end of N4. I'm guessing that's unlikely. Still, we need a good Vig action and/or to limit our mislynches.

Someone (I don't recall who) told me early on that the Mod had stated a 25% ratio of Scum, or 5.25. So, 5 or 6, if that's correct.

[Alan_Tudyk]

Originally Posted by Onna Role

I ruffled some feathers so if I die tonight


We now know the wagon on me was not to save a Hero Jeopardy.
Could it have been to prevent Mordenk***** or Alan_T**** from getting too close to the noose?
The rockin’ and rollin’ didn’t start until after I voted Morden and continued after Erinyes joined me .

‘Magic baggers’ Information that isn’t clarified.
Roving Mauler D2:88
Erinyes D2:122
Eater of Socks D2:127
Alan_T multiples including D2:180, and N2:10

And to a lesser degree
Bahamut seemed to understand Erinyes/Eater of Socks. D2:128
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...why did you asterisk out the ends of my name and Mordenkainen? Are those somehow non-english profanity?

[Mordenkainen]

Originally Posted by Owlbear

Someone (I don't recall who) told me early on that the Mod had stated a 25% ratio of Scum, or 5.25. So, 5 or 6, if that's correct.

Approximately 25% of the players are Heroes.

From the rules post: -

Originally Posted by Pleo

Every player will be either on the Monster side (about three quarters) or the Hero side (about one quarter).

So 5 or 6.

Gazebo: I need to assemble a few posts from Yesterday. Back soon.

[Onna Role]

Originally Posted by The Gazebo

Maybe not the best thing to ask for answers at Night, but for follow-up the next Day, I agree to keep this in mind.

@Mordenkainen - did you ever figure out your vote picture for yesterDay? And you said ( http://www.giraffeboards.com/showpos...&postcount=254 ) that Owlbear's vote for Kali seemed like a town action to you. Could you elaborate a little?

I wasn't asking for answers toNight, just getting it out there in case I wake up dead

[Onna Role]

Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

...why did you asterisk out the ends of my name and Mordenkainen? Are those somehow non-english profanity?

So I didn't misspell them

[Mordenkainen]

Originally Posted by The Gazebo

Mordenkainen - did you ever figure out your vote picture for yesterDay? And you said ( http://www.giraffeboards.com/showpos...&postcount=254 ) that Owlbear's vote for Kali seemed like a town action to you. Could you elaborate a little?

Sure.

To take the Owlbear vote on Kali first.

Owlbear voted for Kali in post D02.058. The main reason was because if Kali was modkilled another Monster player would also be killed.

There was (and is) no support for that in the rules.

Given that, I found myself agreeing with comments by Alan Tudyk in post 244.[quote=Alan T}Owlbear looks very good for town for his Kali vote. No-lynch had me suspecting him earlier, but the Kali vote tells me he's alone, and thus much less likely to be a hero.[/quote]Primarily, that if Owlbear were a hero, they might have had that misapprehension cleared by discussion in the Hero board. So, until contrary evidence appears, I tend to believe Owlbear is Town.

Yes, I finished a vote tracking spreadsheet for Yesterday. I find the exercise of compiling my own helps me retain at least some of the activity that goes on during a game Day.

[Bahamut]

Originally Posted by Onna Role

How so ? I didn't vote him at any time, nor has he voted for me

Sorry, that was me spitballing about another thing that could result in his knowing how he might be able to know who can/cannot affect him. Has nothing to do with you at all.

Originally Posted by Onna Role

Bahamut seemed to understand Erinyes/Eater of Socks. D2:128

Read that post again because I understood nothing of what the two of them were on about.

[Onna Role]

Originally Posted by Bahamut

Sorry, that was me spitballing about another thing that could result in his knowing how he might be able to know who can/cannot affect him. Has nothing to do with you at all.

Read that post again because I understood nothing of what the two of them were on about.

When I read "OK. Fair enough, and agreed." from you, I took it to mean you 'got' part of it. YMMV

[Mad Mage]

Originally Posted by Onna Role

When I read "OK. Fair enough, and agreed." from you, I took it to mean you 'got' part of it. YMMV

I didn't get that Bahamut understood, I thought he was just staying away from it.

[Bahamut]

Context:

Eater of Socks said:

I *think* I know what Erinyes is asking about, but I'm not positive. I don't want us losing a good monster over it.

Broken down, my response was:

I *think* I know what Erinyes is asking about
Me: OK

but I'm not positive
Me: Fair enough

I don't want us losing a good monster over it
Me: Agreed.

[Mad Mage]

Originally Posted by Bahamut

Context:

Eater of Socks said:

I *think* I know what Erinyes is asking about, but I'm not positive. I don't want us losing a good monster over it.

Broken down, my response was:

I *think* I know what Erinyes is asking about
Me: OK

but I'm not positive
Me: Fair enough

I don't want us losing a good monster over it
Me: Agreed.

That is what I understood.

[Onna Role]

Originally Posted by Bahamut

Context:

Eater of Socks said:

I *think* I know what Erinyes is asking about, but I'm not positive. I don't want us losing a good monster over it.

Broken down, my response was:

I *think* I know what Erinyes is asking about
Me: OK

but I'm not positive
Me: Fair enough

I don't want us losing a good monster over it
Me: Agreed.

I can see it that way now. I didn't initially

[Pleonast]

Night Two is over. Give me a bit to hash things out.

Day Three at http://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=47614