Vegas Mafia Day Two

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by TexCat

What's up with the votes for me? Why the revote Mahaloth? Reasons for your vote LF, or was it just my speculation about Vanta?

Your observations o Vanta are off base and a handy way to set up a lynch bankrupt? that will not hurt you
pushing of buttons and a desire to resolve the 'tie' from yesterDay

[Mordenkainen]

Evening all.

Just finished a read of the Day's activity. I need to digest and reread. I have an appointment which will keep me out all morning. Back in the late afternoon sometime.

Anyway, on the two Night kills, I can see a few options.

Vanta hid behind PCM. who got shot.
Vanta hid behind a Mafiate (in which case Kaiveren becomes the prima facie first candidate).
There were two separate killers operating last Night; the Mafia and a Town Vig or Serial Killer.

As an aside, why assume that a Third party had to be some sort of killing machine? There are nonhostile 3P roles, although many of them (eg a Survivor) tend to have very hard rows to hoe.

Sleep is calling so night all. Back after my appt.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

Evening all.

Just finished a read of the Day's activity. I need to digest and reread. I have an appointment which will keep me out all morning. Back in the late afternoon sometime.

Anyway, on the two Night kills, I can see a few options.

Vanta hid behind PCM. who got shot.
Vanta hid behind a Mafiate (in which case Kaiveren becomes the prima facie first candidate).
There were two separate killers operating last Night; the Mafia and a Town Vig or Serial Killer.

As an aside, why assume that a Third party had to be some sort of killing machine? There are nonhostile 3P roles, although many of them (eg a Survivor) tend to have very hard rows to hoe.

Sleep is calling so night all. Back after my appt.

No one is assuming a second anti-town force has a kill. But if one exists, it is likely it does.

Vanta could not have been killed if hiding behind Town unless that Town was Precambrian. Vanta left a fairly strong crumb, one that tracked exactly what the role was, that hiding behind Kaiveran was being considered. LightFoot, however, could be correct that it was coincidental. And the crumb was left during Day 1, rather than Night 1. With night talk operative, leaving a crumb at night would seem to me to be preferable. But even if we discount the "crumb," and Vanta did not hide behind Kaiveran, we still are compelled to consider the scenario that was laid out: A killed Precambrian, Vanta hid behind maf (or exactly Precambrian), and B did not kill or was blocked (or does not exist).

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

No one is assuming a second anti-town force has a kill. But if one exists, it is likely it does.

Vanta could not have been killed if hiding behind Town unless that Town was Precambrian. Vanta left a fairly strong crumb, one that tracked exactly what the role was, that hiding behind Kaiveran was being considered. LightFoot, however, could be correct that it was coincidental. And the crumb was left during Day 1, rather than Night 1. With night talk operative, leaving a crumb at night would seem to me to be preferable. But even if we discount the "crumb," and Vanta did not hide behind Kaiveran, we still are compelled to consider the scenario that was laid out: A killed Precambrian, Vanta hid behind maf (or exactly Precambrian), and B did not kill or was blocked (or does not exist).

There also exists the simple option that Vanta did not use his power, was the scum kill directly, and PCM was a vig or SK target, no need for lucky doctors or blockers.

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by Meeko

That has to be the crumb.

One would not use the word "phase" naturally there, unless they are informed by P.I.S. intentionally or not.

Is "phase" not established here as generic-speak for Day or Night of the game?

Originally Posted by LightFoot

BOLDING MINE
I didn't check the time line but you now know ( per the Mod) how Vanta's power worked right?

Yes if there was an additional killing power they could have held off or been thwarted ( blocked in some manner)
to my underlined bit
that is hard to address without a power role outing their existence so what are you wanting to see?

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I see what you are looking at but as someone who has used a turn of phrase unintentionally it could be a red herring.

It seems Vanta was saying they could vote Kai at a later date but with their ( Vanta's ) role it seems highly unlikely they would hide behind what they felt could be a Scum.


If that makes sense?

I think I have to accept that Lightfoot's posts will be brusque, but I have seen peeks of independent thought from him, continuing here.

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

I don't want any reveals unless someone wants to do so. What I'm asking is:

Why has no one asked why there weren't three kills?

Am I missing something?

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

I should reword that. I don't want PRs to reveal themselves at this time, unless they think they absolutely need to.

Def town. Lag and damage control all in one, plus the earlier.

Originally Posted by guiri

There also exists the simple option that Vanta did not use his power, was the scum kill directly, and PCM was a vig or SK target, no need for lucky doctors or blockers.

I have acknowledged this possibility. I've said it's pretty implausible by cold read, but if D1 left too much Fog of War for Vanta to form a cogent power strat, I could see it.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

Is "phase" not established here as generic-speak for Day or Night of the game?

This was more or less my exact point.

You would use the word " phase " only if you suffered from P.I.S.

If you did not suffer from P.I.S. you would use ANY A N Y other word.

This achieves a multiple effect, if you are trying to craft a breadcrumb.

A crumb is what P.I.S. aspires to be


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I see you voted for me. Noted.

I'm not looking to move my vote on you. Again, it is not, and never was personal.

I personally want to welcome you to stay with our group. This game has been a weird one for me. But not to far removed from my style, if I am honest. I look forward to non-mafia conversations with you.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

Evening all.

Just finished a read of the Day's activity. I need to digest and reread. I have an appointment which will keep me out all morning. Back in the late afternoon sometime.

Anyway, on the two Night kills, I can see a few options.

Vanta hid behind PCM. who got shot.
Vanta hid behind a Mafiate (in which case Kaiveren becomes the prima facie first candidate).
There were two separate killers operating last Night; the Mafia and a Town Vig or Serial Killer.

As an aside, why assume that a Third party had to be some sort of killing machine? There are nonhostile 3P roles, although many of them (eg a Survivor) tend to have very hard rows to hoe.

Sleep is calling so night all. Back after my appt.

I think the 3P has to be anti Town just because of the way the PM was written, if they weren't a threat why would we need them eliminated in order to win?