Yeetmas 4 - Day 3 "Christmas and Beyond"

[Mahaloth]

I hope everyone is ready for a terrific Christmas tomorrow. Now, let’s find out who won’t be joining us….for the rest of their lives! Uh, the rest of the game.

Red Skeezix is now wrapped. He was the Mariah Carey Backup Doctor. Scum.

Pleonast is now wrapped. He was an Ordinary Mall Santa. Vanilla Town.

Guiri is now wrapped. He was the Mall Santa Doctor. Town.

That is two Town players dead at the Night, which means we have the possibility of two wraps instead of one. Only one wrap is required, but a second one will trigger if the threshold is met.

First Wrap: Automatic with the top vote getter.

Second Wrap: Requires four(4) votes placed on the player at end of Day. If no player aside from the top vote getter has four or more votes on them, only one wrap will occur like normal.

Here is a countdown to Thursday, December 29 at 7 PM, end of Day:

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdow...7&font=cursive

And here is that very useful vote counter:

https://www.giraffeboards.com/mafia_votecount.php

Play nice!

[raventhief]

Ok, another scum wrapped! Yes! Two towns, including our doctor, also wrapped, boo.

[raventhief]

I really hope our cop got more Intel, to be revealed at their leisure, of course.

[Kaiveran]

gonna be focusing on family event most of the day. but I'll tell ya...it ain't a guilty.

[Renata]

Originally Posted by raventhief

I really hope our cop got more Intel, to be revealed at their leisure, of course.

Icky comment, considering there's almost nothing that could have stopped them short of the target being exactly Red Skeezix.

I'm still sick, probably still unlikely to be around much for a while.

Skeezix had interactions on day one that should be looked at. Yesterday I don't know, the whole thing is a blur.

[mikomiya]

We take those results.

My early choices for chop right now are Burma Shave and Raventhief.

Both Burma and Raven came in to put Hal over the top once tied with Red without even mentioning Red. Raven commented about Hal/Pleo/Swammi and Burma commented about APSB/Jackie.

My secondary choices are APSB and Dizzy, with APSB leading the way there. Their gambit of "kill me then follow me" on day 1 is nothing like the rest of their posting in terms of confidence nor approach, and it coming while under a lot of pressure as the day 1 kill came near makes me think it was a ploy to sound towny. Especially after hearing others say APSB can be very convincing as town.

Dizzy is more of a hang on from day 1, but the way that Red defended them on day 1 sketched me out at the time and the way they voted me with Red once I voted Red makes me think there's a chance of a pairing there.

[mikomiya]

Apologies to Guiri and Pleonast for hounding them all game. You both played very well.

[LightFoot]

D`1

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Askthepizzaguy (5): Halfrize (24)[168], guiri (74)[543], Red Skeezix (124), Mendie Taoma (127), Swammerdami (140)[723], Pleonast (298)[434], TexCat (443), Askthepizzaguy (518)[688],Pleonast (678), guiri (700)

Texcat (3): Dizzymrslizzy (563), Kaiveran (636),Askthepizzaguy (689)

A Poor Shepherd Boy (3): JackieLikesVariety (426), Pleonast (434)[678], Renata (578), guiri (630)[672], Burma Shave (634)

Pleonast (2): Renata (146)[274], A Poor Shepherd Boy (561), mikomiya (654)

Red Skeezix (1): Bashorian Clement (30), A Poor Shepherd Boy (108)[122]

Mahaloth (0): Mahaloth (15)[15]

Kaiveran (0): Mendie Taoma (4)[33], Halfrize (590)[617]

. guiri (0): Bashorian Clement (7)[30], Askthepizzaguy (97)[517], A Poor Shepherd Boy (122)[554], Renata (274)[548], Halfrize (318)[355]
Jackielikesvariety (0): Burma Shave (81)[246]
Apoorshepherdboy (0): Renata (548)[578]
Dizzymrslizzy (0): Halfrize (224)[315], mikomiya (341)[654], Halfrize (355)[537]
Askthepizzaguyforpineapple (0): guiri (672)[700]

D2

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Halfrize (6): Pleonast (49)[92], guiri (58), Pleonast (92), Burma Shave (104)[171], TexCat (183), Red Skeezix (216), raventhief (234), Burma Shave (242)

Red Skeezix (3): Bashorian Clement (168), Swammerdami (218), A Poor Shepherd Boy (220)
Renata (2): Mendie Taoma (102), JackieLikesVariety (158)

Burma Shave (2): Swammerdami (40)[128], Halfrize (76), Swammerdami (128)[218], LightFoot (138)

Swammerdami (1): Renata (93), Red Skeezix (95)[190]
Miko (1): Dizzymrslizzy (182)
A Poor Shepherd Boy (1): mikomiya (236)

Texcat (0): Renata (56)[93]
Mikomiya (0): Red Skeezix (69)[95], [color=red]Red Skeezix [/color(190)[216]
Pleonast (0): mikomiya (79)[195], Bashorian Clement (83)[168], Dizzymrslizzy (144)[182], A Poor Shepherd Boy (162)[178]
Jackielikesvariety (0): Burma Shave (173)[242]
Red Skeezix (0): mikomiya (195)[236]

a bit more

[Swammerdami]

Until we flip an Elf Scum, the vote record has little use (except for finding Mariah Godfather). And I do NOT want to wrap that Godfather now -- it's much more urgent to find us an Elf.

By process of elimination, a good bet for Elf on the Shelf seems to be

[JackieLikesVariety]

How/why do people get wrapped at night???

[Renata]

[QUOTE=LightFoot;1787139]D`1

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Askthepizzaguy (5): Halfrize (24)[168], guiri (74)[543], Red Skeezix (124),

Please nobody try to tell me again that a Pizza team should be analyzed as though it will give a single cr*p about bussing.

[Renata]

Although third on the bandwagon is kind of amusing. (Not sure if it started out that way.)

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by JackieLikesVariety

How/why do people get wrapped at night???

Elf NK
Mariah NK
Vig

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Swammerdami

Until we flip an Elf Scum, the vote record has little use (except for finding Mariah Godfather). And I do NOT want to wrap that Godfather now -- it's much more urgent to find us an Elf.

To the contrary - even without an elf patterns may emerge
and I find it helps as a reminder of who is in game


I agree as this - let the Elves worry about the Mariah and hope the Mariah finds an Elf target
It seems to me to be stating the obvious but not everyone may have thought this way

[Mahaloth]

Merry Christmas, everyone. Hope everyone who celebrates is having a nice holiday.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Okay so Miko and Swammi are a team.

Nice reveal there.

There’s absolutely no reason either should be voting for me at this moment in time.

I’m going to stay with my

It’s the most obvious of the scums left out there.

Thank you Vig for taking care of Red.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Okay so Miko and Swammi are a team.

Nice reveal there.
~.

Can you tell me how you got there?

[mikomiya]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Okay so Miko and Swammi are a team.

Nice reveal there.

There’s absolutely no reason either should be voting for me at this moment in time.

I’m going to stay with my

It’s the most obvious of the scums left out there.

Thank you Vig for taking care of Red.

Explain it to me as if I were 5: What should I have seen to make note of your towniness? Because from my perspective you have:

1. Been defended hard by flipped scum Red

2. Buddied up to Red in the thread to push similar goals

3. Voted with Red while they were a wagon available at the end of day 2

4. Was casually called scum by pizza but never pushed and instead tried to convince me to vote TexCat eod1 when I was around instead of you, who I asked him thoughts about.


Can you be town? Sure. But if so you've been pro-scum thus far in both your votes (You've voted TexCat who was pushed by Pizza and voted Pizza themselves, Pleo a flipped town, and Me who is town) and your actions (working with Red on a similar path through the game) and acting like it's some audacity to have you in a pool of consideration baffles me.


Especially given:

1. You've come into today with no signs of reconsideration on your stances despite the person you were on the same page with flipping scum

2. You've voted me for voting you but I simply listed you as my third most desirable vote today and did not vote you, which makes me think you just skimmed my post without reading it and saw me talk about you and thought I wanted to kill you first

3. You recognized I was towny at end of day yesterday, posting in the thread that you need to reconsider, then saw the person I pushed twice and was pushing me die and flip scum, and then came into today voting me.



None of these three things line up with how I expect a town player to progress through the mid stages of the game, yet your take is that you should be such an obvious town member that me and swam being suspicious of you outs us. So please, in as much detail as possible, take the time to walk through what I'm missing.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Miko… the thing about being town… you are allowed to be wrong.

D1- The Pizza wagon grew way to fast and furious. It made me very uncomfortable.

I had a skervish with Pizza and it was very ingenuine. It’s why I did a double take on him at EOD. I didn’t get back to change my vote, but I was strongly suspecting him EOD. I wound up being right on that one. I was right going to bat for Guiri also. Really bad case there.

TexCat I still suspect is on a Scum team. Meta but the only times I’ve seen her this quiet is as scum.

You were like a bull dog with a rag on me Miko. And it was super weak D1. That kind of opportunistic voting is very scum minded, and put my radars up towards you. Are you scum, I’m not really sure but your voting record isn’t quite wonderful either.

D1 you voted late for Pleo instead of being in Scum Pizza… your reasoning is his verbiage and because he scum shaded you….

D2-
I voted Pleo early in the day. I felt as though he was alluding to being a Power Role and it felt fitting he was a scum power role. I didn’t believe his claim. I removed my vote after the inno claim…

Skeezix didn’t snuggle me day 2. He all out called me scum. But shrug, Ingress you missed that post (190)

I also voted you BEFORE Skeezix did. He followed my vote not the other way around… (me post 182, Skeezix 5 hours later in post 190)

You Miko Voted Skeezix with a revenge only vote with no explanation or merit. Good job catching scum but your vote was made with anger not scum hunting…at least that’s how it appears. (I’m sorry you found Skeezix unfriendly, that’s now how we usually jam here). PS. You voted Red in 192 after I voted and after Red voted.

So even your recollection of the scenario is way off. Just like Day 1 you are twisting things to make a case against me, and it’s really all false.

Lastly, I don’t want to tunnel you at all. I personally have a gut feel here. I also feel like Pizza’s list of players needs to have a scum partner in the middle and he places you right there.

I don’t follow conventional rules of Mafia. I play how I see fit. None of this is personal, I’m actually enjoying getting to know you.

[mikomiya]

Dizzy, gonna wordbomb this one:

Oh none of it is personal on my end either, i mentioned on day 1 i liked your vibe even if we weren't seeing eye to eye. Just trying to figure out if I am right or if I am wrong, and if wrong where to go next.

However, please note that I did not find it out of anger. I called them out on day 1 for

1. their verbiage being sketchy in their reads list (the whole thing about how active/passive voice changes)

2. Exact words about their press on me were

I find it unreasonable, dismissive, and trying to hone in on minor details (whether or not its the "biggest case" when that's subjective, I was speaking of how confidently loud and vocal Guiri's pusher was compared to everyone elses) rather than trying to understand my argument or trying to convince me of errors. I find two world's here: One is as scum with Dizzy and wanting to slap down and dismiss a case on their teammate. This would explain the narrowed focus as it would have an agenda behind it and the approach would be them thinking "how can I make this look bad" rather than starting at "does this argument hold water". The other is as an eager town that is trying to clap back on something they found. I am leaning towards the first currently as I think the follow up and the rest of the posting they've made about others doesn't line up with the intensity and tone of the post towards me if "eager town" is the answer. I think a scum team of Dizzy/Red/Shepherd makes sense based on Red's defense of Dizzy and placement of Shepherd on the reads list earlier. I would rather kill Dizzy first though because I struggle to figure out why they have that reaction as scum if not on Dizzys team.

Then when they came into the last day continuing towards me without showing the same intensity or nitpicking towards anyone else I determined the answer was scum and voted there. The anger was separate and I've done a pretty good job in my life of not letting my personal feelings stop me from making the best decisions I could. Once guiri began asking me about voting APSB over Red (they had mentioned a few times they town read Red) I attempted to go there instead as a more palatable kill for our two clears but no avail. I even mentioned twice that I thought Hal was a miss but I thought all I can do once I voted two different people was hope I was wrong.

So let's call back to that post I made on day 1 where I struggled to see town motivation from Red and landed on a Dizzy/Red/APSB team. Clearly now that has been proven false (It's Pizza/Red/X).

One option is Pizza/Red/APSB. This could explain Pizza not voting the counterwagon day one and trying to kill someone else entirely in TexCat. It could explain the active/passive discrepancy I called out on day 1 from Red towards APSB. It also would track with my current scum lean on APSB for their Pleonast gambit day 1 not mirroring any other opinions/pushes they've had (similar to how Red's nitpicking on me didn't mirror their interactions elsewhere). The biggest hangup in this team was pointed out by Guiri: Red getting voted by APSB to tie wagons near eod yesterday. Granted, that team has already showed they can bus with Red's vote on Pizza so I won't entirely discount it. Yet, it would be an awkward ploy for team to make?


The next option was Pizza/Red/Renata. I have explained how I came to an idea of Renata being Mariah godfather previously and that is the only Mariah role remaining. Renata did dance around Pizza day one - landing on guiri and APSB opposite Pizza at two points + recognizing Pizza for twisting things but claiming it's NAI - and Pizza floated the idea of peeking Renata. My issues there are Renata was very quick to call out Red for twisting the response to me and disagreed with Guiri about it and Renata has a pretty interesting post towards pizza saying they are just tired and not to read into it that came off very defensive and unaligned to me. However, Renata also didn't ever do anything towards Red that I can remember despite pointing out their approach to me being "uncharitable". So I'm not entirely discounting it because pointing out scummy things but not following through on either teammate is a pretty viable strategy for a godfather.


Then my other pairing with Red this game has been you. You were the one whos defense they jumped to. I ask myself why? I am a totally new player here. I have zero sway. Nobody is really going to listen to me - as evident by my saying Hal was a miss imo. Nobody really agreed much with the things I was saying. It's also not the way they interacted with anyone else. Nothing else was gone through with a fine toothed comb, nothing else was aggressive, nothing else got a full breakdown. So why this? The main reason I can think of is because it was right and they wanted to shut it down. Pizza already on the ropes and now another case being made against a teammate? Easier to discredit me than Guiri right? I still do have the same issues I had initially with you - I can't wrap my head around simultaneously holding the opinions of Guiri is 100% town and Guiri is always scummy to you and you struggle to read them - but now I also feel like I have supplemental evidence I can look at as well.


So that's why I had you and APSB still in my list of suspects. I think the reasoning and logic makes sense for each of you - and Ren! - but I also recognize that they aren't all correct. In fact at least two of them have to be wrong since I'm talking about specifically Mariah scum!

I've also got suspicion on those who voted Hal towards the end. The more I've thought about it today, I think Raven is an Elf Scum who just wanted to make a vote on a non-teammate with a reason and moved on. Burma is one I immediately wanted to vote after the reveal at start of day but I need to actually look into them as I feel my reasoning there is not as thorough as the rest. Rather a gut read.


So there's an entire breakdown of my current world view. I'd be curious on what aspects you agree/disagree with. Where am I mistaken in these thoughts and where am I on the right track? Do you have any personal experience with any of the players that can help me sort through there and find this last scum so we can remove a kill from the game?

[raventhief]

You can wrap me today Miko. I'm vanilla mall Santa, and I'm not especially good at the game, so. But until I get wrapped I'm still going to puzzle things out as best i can.

[raventhief]

Tho something did click in my head. No wonder that after red caused Pizza's posts ...errrr... Perfumed farts, I think? That pizza still matched into me as causing a toxic atmosphere. That was bugging me.

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by Renata

Icky comment, considering there's almost nothing that could have stopped them short of the target being exactly Red Skeezix.

I'm still sick, probably still unlikely to be around much for a while.

Skeezix had interactions on day one that should be looked at. Yesterday I don't know, the whole thing is a blur.

I'll rephrase, since you found it icky. I hope that our cop got a red result. Better?

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Can you tell me how you got there?

Yeah, I don't see that either.

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

gonna be focusing on family event most of the day. but I'll tell ya...it ain't a guilty.

Damn.

[Renata]

Originally Posted by raventhief

I'll rephrase, since you found it icky. I hope that our cop got a red result. Better?

Yes, actually.

More thoughts on the day one Pizza wagon.

Dude wound up with a whopping five votes in a 20 (? whatever) person game on day one and one of those five votes was his own partner and two more are dead town. Wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the wagon was also town; wouldn't be totally shocked if both partners bussed.

Either way, highly, highly unlikely that his wagon was super influenced by scum from the opposing team. So where the heck are they.

They're not trying to kill Pizza. Probably felt far too risky, as he might have been town and then they look bad digging the grave of such a strong player.

They're not trying to kill Pizza's chosen counterwagon (Texcat). A little bit less easily explainable. Pizza, as mentioned, is a strong player, and when he calls somebody out on day one of a multiball game there's a decent chance he's right and they could have hopped on for a shot at some cheap town cred of the same sort as Miko keeps handing out for doing the right thing re: Pizza. It seems they chose not to, and the only thing that keeps me from just voting Texcat again right now because of it is that the prospect of a town-Pizza lynch that they didn't cause must have been pretty tasty too. So there's a high incentive to go completely off-wagon, spread the votes, and let Pizza get lynched by default.

And that's exactly what happened. So I won't go after Texcat on wagonnomics; I'll either get off my butt and do it properly based on posting or I'll find a reason not to.

But whether it's because of Texcat or not because of Texcat, I'd bet a cup of coffee the three non-mariah scum ended day one on three different wagons.

[Renata]

Suspect DizzyMrsLizzy/Miko might be a town/town fight.

[Renata]

Oh!

And I guess I can talk about Pizza twisting things now that the game it happened in is over. Not that this should really influence takes on my alignment either way, but it should still explain either a) why I reacted the way I did on day one or b) why I thought I had justification to pretend to react the way I did on day one.

We were both in a game on another board recently, both town. I was vanilla. Pizza had a desperado role. He had to find somebody to shoot on day two. If that player was mafia, they'd die; otherwise Pizza would die and the desperado role would be passed on to the person they had targeted. Pizza wound up shooting a town player named Vulgard.

I missed almost all of day one for reasons. During that time, Pizza went super hard on Vulgard for various things. Waffling, for one. Various scum tells. One of those things super stands out because when I was trying to catch up day one on my own during night one, I actually wrote the post number down with a star, it seemed so scummy to me. It was what seemed to be a weird perspective shift in the middle of a thought. I can't remember the exact comment anymore.

Anyway, on day two, this comment came up. I'm the one who brought it up. Somebody else (my brain is telling me it was one of the scum ironically, but it might not have been) pointed out that I might have read the comment wrong, that it actually was consistent and made sense. Vulgard backed it up that that's what they meant. I re-read it myself; it did make sense in that light. I had to drop it as a reason for thinking they were scum. (They were a town read by the end of the day, one of the few things that game I'm proud of getting right.)

Pizza never accepted what Vulgard actually meant. Three people in the thread telling him otherwise -- Vulgard, me and the third player; he never changed his mind. So yeah, he will do that as town.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Dizzymrslizzy (1): Swammerdami (9)
Miko (1): Dizzymrslizzy (16)

Dizzy would be wrapped right now if nothing changed by end of Day.

[Burma Shave]

with two players who could get smote I wish that we could multivote

PS Merry Christmas!

[Burma Shave]

Suspects listed below And if I am right I suspect that I Will die tonight

JackieLikesVariety, Swammerdami, A Poor Shepherd Boy, Mendie Taoma, Bashorian Clement
I sense that Mendie and Bashorian are somehow connected by having zero interactions with each other, which would make them Elves

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Burma Shave

Suspects listed below And if I am right I suspect that I Will die tonight

JackieLikesVariety, Swammerdami, A Poor Shepherd Boy, Mendie Taoma, Bashorian Clement
I sense that Mendie and Bashorian are somehow connected by having zero interactions with each other, which would make them Elves

That's not quite true, as I asked Mendie a question ( or maybe two ) that she blew off and I didn't think was important enough to follow up on at that point. This was on Day 1 and had something to do with how she characterized Jackie or something.

But really I don't know why you think our lack of interaction is alignment indicative. I haven't had interaction with most of the player list I think. You can probably say that of most of us. I mean, I haven't had interaction with you until now. And I know that I don't have access to a private discord. And if you do, you know I'm not in there with you.

So given the lack of interactions of those in this player list, why accuse Mendie and me specifically of being aligned scum?

[Bashorian Clement]

The more I think about it.



I encourage a multi wrap Today.

[Swammerdami]

Players have been circumspect this game. With one class of exceptions, it's hard to find scum tells or obviously-scum rhetoric. (The difficulty is partly due to having TWO scum teams.)

The exceptions are when someone (e.g. Red Skeezix) smudges players who are near-certain Town. Scum are desperate to stir up suspicion against Townies. Red over-reached and Wrapping him became easy.

It's easier to find likely Townies: Their thinking is purer. Jackie may seem suspicious looking at the vote record, but some of her scummy look is due to being a noobie. Consider:

Originally Posted by JackieLikesVariety

How/why do people get wrapped at night???

If she were Scum, she'd know about night-time wrapping. It would be brazen of her to pretend otherwise. Hence: Jackie is probably Town. Several other players are posting very Townishly. With that and the vote record, we can almost solve the game now!

Dizzy and raventhief are by far the likeliest Scum IMO. Raven may be even likelier than Dizzy and I'll be happy to move my vote to her if that's the consensus.

Candidates for the two remaining scum slots are Renata, APSB and perhaps Burma Shave or Jackie (or the inscrutable TexCat).

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Miko…
...
Lastly, I don’t want to tunnel you at all. I personally have a gut feel here. I also feel like Pizza’s list of players needs to have a scum partner in the middle and he places you right there.

Post "Pizza's list" please; let's see what we can glean.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Pizza’s list from the end of Day 1…. (I’m on a phone so I hope this copies correctly)

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I am pretty sure my towncore is almost completely uninfiltrated.

Blue is all clears in my opinion, teals rarely ever scum, if I miss on the bottom then it can be a green.

I just would lean greens are mostly townies. Individually can be a scum, not many there though.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

So here’s my take on Pizza’s list.

He had Skeetix as neutral almost scummy.

He had himself as Blue.

I don’t think his last partner is a Blue or dark green on this list.

If I’d guess, I bet he put his last partner in the teal category or the orange/red. I’d lean more towards teal with Pizza being run out the door.

We can already cross off the known town.

We already know he was “suspecting me” outside of his rule set ( and I know I’m just an ordinary mall Santa)

[Renata]

STOP THINKING PIZZA WONT SCUM READ HIS PARTNERS good lord. I’m going to have a hernia. This is the player who preaches the gospel of hard bussing every chance he gets, who argues that it is always the right play, and you want me to believe he put neither of his partners in his scum reads? Not even that it’s possible he townread both, but that he must have?

I wouldn’t even be surprised if his partner was Texcat, let alone anyone else in that bunch.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Renata

STOP THINKING PIZZA WONT SCUM READ HIS PARTNERS good lord. I’m going to have a hernia. This is the player who preaches the gospel of hard bussing every chance he gets, who argues that it is always the right play, and you want me to believe he put neither of his partners in his scum reads? Not even that it’s possible he townread both, but that he must have?

I wouldn’t even be surprised if his partner was Texcat, let alone anyone else in that bunch.

We all need / have the right to think independently - you keep repeating your self on this subject- and I find it sus

[mikomiya]

Originally Posted by Renata

STOP THINKING PIZZA WONT SCUM READ HIS PARTNERS good lord. I’m going to have a hernia. This is the player who preaches the gospel of hard bussing every chance he gets, who argues that it is always the right play, and you want me to believe he put neither of his partners in his scum reads? Not even that it’s possible he townread both, but that he must have?

I wouldn’t even be surprised if his partner was Texcat, let alone anyone else in that bunch.

Oh this is good information.

I wonder if the correct play today is to just multiwrap and clean up the wagons from day 1 and day 2 by removing TexCat and APSB. Both have been scumread by people we know are town (Pleo/Guiri were on APSB, Kai was on Tex).

If Dizzy is correct that quiet texcat is scum texcat then that's still someone who can be scum. I've talked about APSB being in my scum pile for a bit now. So it's not just purely for information, but it does give a lot of it in addition.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by mikomiya

Oh this is good information.

I wonder if the correct play today is to just multiwrap and clean up the wagons from day 1 and day 2 by removing TexCat and APSB. Both have been scumread by people we know are town (Pleo/Guiri were on APSB, Kai was on Tex).

If Dizzy is correct that quiet texcat is scum texcat then that's still someone who can be scum. I've talked about APSB being in my scum pile for a bit now. So it's not just purely for information, but it does give a lot of it in addition.

I haven't had any scum pings from either Tex or Shep, but this is the right play mechanically I think.





I will go back to voting Burma Shave if there is will to wrap there.

These are the only three I'm interested in right now.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by Renata

STOP THINKING PIZZA WONT SCUM READ HIS PARTNERS good lord. I’m going to have a hernia. This is the player who preaches the gospel of hard bussing every chance he gets, who argues that it is always the right play, and you want me to believe he put neither of his partners in his scum reads? Not even that it’s possible he townread both, but that he must have?

I wouldn’t even be surprised if his partner was Texcat, let alone anyone else in that bunch.

If I’d guess, I bet he put his last partner in the teal category or the orange/red. I’d lean more towards teal with Pizza being run out the door.

Ummmm Didn't I say that?

[Burma Shave]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

That's not quite true, as I asked Mendie a question ( or maybe two ) that she blew off and I didn't think was important enough to follow up on at that point. This was on Day 1 and had something to do with how she characterized Jackie or something.

But really I don't know why you think our lack of interaction is alignment indicative. I haven't had interaction with most of the player list I think. You can probably say that of most of us. I mean, I haven't had interaction with you until now. And I know that I don't have access to a private discord. And if you do, you know I'm not in there with you.

So given the lack of interactions of those in this player list, why accuse Mendie and me specifically of being aligned scum?

Tried to find this question No no no Didn't see a hint of it HO HO HO

[Burma Shave]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

I haven't had any scum pings from either Tex or Shep, but this is the right play mechanically I think.

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Vote! Bashorian Clement

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Burma Shave

Tried to find this question No no no Didn't see a hint of it HO HO HO

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Are you saying that Jackie is above or below the fold because I don't understand otherwise.

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[mikomiya]

The grouping of people I have almost no real thoughts on outside of "voted for a red scum" are <Bashorian, Mendie, Swam, Tex> so at some point today I'll need to go through their posts and get an opinion on them.

Does anyone have strong opinions on any of them at the moment?

[Bashorian Clement]

Mendie's post still doesn't make sense to me even with someone trying to explain it.

[TexCat]

I'm tired of being tunneled by you. For some reason you've been hyperfocused on me and ignoring almost everything else.

[Renata]

Originally Posted by mikomiya

The grouping of people I have almost no real thoughts on outside of "voted for a red scum" are <Bashorian, Mendie, Swam, Tex> so at some point today I'll need to go through their posts and get an opinion on them.

Does anyone have strong opinions on any of them at the moment?

Swami I really want to read town because of how they AtEd at me when I pushed them on day two, but their posting itself reads scummy to me every single post they make. Not going there regardless.

Mendie no real opinion. I don't think I'm ever really reading her. It's been too long since I saw her play scum and her style is impenetrable to me otherwise.

Bashorian should take another look at when I get back to things tomorrow or the next day. Their posts don't stick with me.

Texcat just nothing. Voted them yesterday on a more or less policy vote that I still think is a decent idea, but I got too sick to follow through. Not thrilled with their current vote on me as it implies they haven't actually paid a whole lot of attention to anything I write about, but who am I to judge. I also haven't read half the thread.

So take that for what it's worth.

[Swammerdami]

Is it at all likely we will be able to wrap TWO Scum toDay? Not without a lot of cooperation. But 4 out of 6 votes are currently on people I class as likely scum (Dizzy, APSB, Renata), so maybe.

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Renata (2): LightFoot (38), TexCat (47)
Bashorian Clement (1): Burma Shave (43)
Dizzymrslizzy (1): Swammerdami (9)
Miko (1): Dizzymrslizzy (16)
A Poor Shepherd Boy (1): Bashorian Clement (40)
Burma Shave (0): Bashorian Clement (33)[40]

Dizzy isn't getting traction so I switch to perhaps the likeliest scum of all:

Originally Posted by mikomiya

The grouping of people I have almost no real thoughts on outside of "voted for a red scum" are <Bashorian, Mendie, Swam, Tex> so at some point today I'll need to go through their posts and get an opinion on them.

Does anyone have strong opinions on any of them at the moment?

Did Pizza make a suggestion that the two Scum teams help each other? So Elves that thought Red was Mariah would NOT vote for him? Sounds unlikely to me — Elves would want to help wrap Mariah for the cred — so voting for Red shows little about whether a player is an Elf.

Originally Posted by Renata

Swami I really want to read town because of how they AtEd at me when I pushed them on day two, but their posting itself reads scummy to me every single post they make. Not going there regardless.

"AtEd" ?

[raventhief]

Sorry Swammi, you'll be disappointed that your most likely to be scum candidate is just regular town.

AtE is appeal to emotion. Currently in this game, especially, I am biased against it (you can thank Day 1 for that) (also not loving the "I'll vote for myself!!11! Gambit either)