Yeetmas 4 - Day 4 "Triple Santa Whammy...with a cherry on top"

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Burma Shave

Some people include themselves in lean lists and some don't. But in this list I think you should include yourself in both the Never Voted For A... categories.

The omission was unintentional- the list I was using to sort didn't include me.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Swammerdami

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So why did Miko Vig-kill Mendie? I think he must have had higher suspicion, but kept it secret knowing Mendie was not a candidate for Day-Wrap. He didn't want Elf Doctor to protect Mendie. (Of course we needn't worry about that BC gone: Elf Doc will be protecting the Elf Backup no matter what.)

Why did Mariah Night-Kill Miko? Perhaps because he had a correct hunch of the 3rd Mariah: Burma Shave or Raventhief. (He once considered Renata the likely Mariah Godfather but Day 2 in posts 203 and 215 he moved his suspicion to Burma Shave.)

So my nominees for the Double Wrap are Burma Shave and Raventhief.

[vote]Burma Shave[vote]

I have read this a few times and I can't see where you came up with who killed whom.
Miko didn't have a high suspicion of Mendi - from the ist you quoted.

Mariah or Elf could have been the Miko killer.

What are you seeing I don't?

[LightFoot]

I am reading more than 3 players [ I didn't note who] FOSing Burma Shave
and yet, there is one vote there.

[LightFoot]

I am currently talking to myself, so ust tossing my thoughts about

[JackieLikesVariety]

I'll vote in the morning but hoping for more clues. you know, that I understand.

[Burma Shave]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I have read this a few times and I can't see where you came up with who killed whom.
Miko didn't have a high suspicion of Mendi - from the ist you quoted.

Mariah or Elf could have been the Miko killer.

What are you seeing I don't?

Miko didn't kill the cop. BC basically ordered the Elves to do that. Right there in the thread.
Miko didn't commit suicide.
Ergo, Elves got Kai, Mariahs got Miko, Miko got Mendie. Can't see it any other way. Sure the Elves could've shot Miko and the Mariahs could have shot Kai but it seems unlikely.

As to why Miko shot Mendie, I dunno. I didn't see suspicion there. I was surprised to wake up alive.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Burma Shave

Miko didn't kill the cop. BC basically ordered the Elves to do that. Right there in the thread.
Miko didn't commit suicide.
Ergo, Elves got Kai, Mariahs got Miko, Miko got Mendie. Can't see it any other way. Sure the Elves could've shot Miko and the Mariahs could have shot Kai but it seems unlikely.

As to why Miko shot Mendie, I dunno. I didn't see suspicion there. I was surprised to wake up alive.

I assume you were referring to this

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

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I'm assuming the elves are wrapping Kai tonight since they're not a threat to mariahs.

I wonder who " they" are in that sentence.
And is it almost too blatant?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by JackieLikesVariety

I'll vote in the morning but hoping for more clues. you know, that I understand.

You have been involved from what I can see- do you have opinions even w/out the vote?

[Burma Shave]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I assume you were referring to this

I wonder who " they" are in that sentence.
And is it almost too blatant?

Kai's pronoun is either "they" or "ey." Kai, cop. No threat to Mariahs because only Mairah left is GF. And yes, it was blatant.

[LightFoot]

Burma and Swammi seem to be on the same page here- Did y'all see that was it obvious conclusion - and I ust missed it?

I mean the way My questioning was explained, not what I ust said

[LightFoot]

another way- was it super obvious that that chain of events made sense that way..
shit I am not saying that right either.. sleep me will

[LightFoot]

I have made a few posts that I thought / hoped would get a reaction
they fell flat -so what I was looking to see the reaction to fizzled- poof

Burma explained Swammi''s post instead of Swammi doing it - that is the only thing I see
but no one else seemed tot hink it was obvious
or maybe didn't think it was noteworthy
I wi attempt to process

[Swammerdami]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I have read this a few times and I can't see where you came up with who killed whom.
Miko didn't have a high suspicion of Mendi - from the ist you quoted.

Mariah or Elf could have been the Miko killer.

What are you seeing I don't?

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Burma explained Swammi''s post instead of Swammi doing it - that is the only thing I see

I'm in a different time-zone, and often a late riser. I just saw your question a moment ago. Elves needed to kill the Cop ASAP. Even if Mariahs also wanted Kai dead they knew Elves were already killing Kai.

If we rule out Miko killing himself, he killed Mendie by elimination. Why had he never expressed suspicion of Mendie, yet killed him? His posts came while three Elves were still alive; he wanted to assure that Elf Doc had scant reason to Protect Mendie.

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Meanwhile apathy runs rampant in the Game. Will we get to 3-3? I've tried to "do the numbers" and think Town will probably win if we get to a 3-3 Wrap toDay, and probably lose if we don't.

I can make it 2-2. Almost there?

[Swammerdami]

When we get to a 3-3 vote, the drama isn't over: It's just begin! 3-3 doesn't lead to Double-Wrap: It leads to TRIPLE-Wrap! Scum will be fleeing about, trying to control the third Wrap or to escape from the trap.

But it will take Town co-operation to get 3-3. Not only must we Vote; we should state who our 2nd Wrap choice is. (I'm fine with a TexCat Wrap.)

Waiting for the last few minutes is recipe for disaster. And I won't be there. 7 AM my time and I need my beauty sleep!

[Burma Shave]

Originally Posted by Swammerdami

I'm in a different time-zone, and often a late riser. I just saw your question a moment ago. Elves needed to kill the Cop ASAP. Even if Mariahs also wanted Kai dead they knew Elves were already killing Kai.

If we rule out Miko killing himself, he killed Mendie by elimination. Why had he never expressed suspicion of Mendie, yet killed him? His posts came while three Elves were still alive; he wanted to assure that Elf Doc had scant reason to Protect Mendie.

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Meanwhile apathy runs rampant in the Game. Will we get to 3-3? I've tried to "do the numbers" and think Town will probably win if we get to a 3-3 Wrap toDay, and probably lose if we don't.

I can make it 2-2. Almost there?

Town will win if three scum get executed as there are only three left. However, at least one town (me) is on the block right now and if it gets to 3-3 with it only needing one vote for the third wrap scum can easily control it. I am not so confident in my reads that I would pick out the right three. You seem to be.

I also had a problem with your town council. Not the idea, but the players. It could be that raventhief has fooled me, it could be that A Poor Shepherd Boy has fooled me, but it looks to me like YOU have picked out the three towniest people (from my POV) for suspicion. And yet now you have selected Texcat for 2nd wrap, who was lately one of your favored town council members. Could you explain that? This is question 1

I also point out that if one townie votes another townie, which may have happened, scum can finish that one off. To elaborate on the "may have," you have voted for town, but I don't know that you are town. APSB has voted for Jackie, and while I don't know about either of them, my read is they are more likely to be town than Texcat is.

TexCat is my best guess right now, and I'm swinging between two others. APSB said Jackie hadn't asked a lot of questions but I thought the one asking why you stand aside was a good one. And your answer was that you didn't have strong opinions about who is scum.

This is question 2. Like, specifically what have you found scummy about me? I know on D2 when you voted me you said I hadn't posted that day. But I had. And you may have been one who said "late vote on Halfrize and not voting for Red." But I was parked on Halfrize from fairly early until fairly late, when I thought I was gonna be wrapped, and I wanted the vote record to reflect my suspicions at the time. I switched back when someone else led the vote at EoD.

Not gonna @ you but I would like to know the answers.

[Burma Shave]

Originally Posted by TexCat

I don't like your characterization of my D1 posts at all. I think voting Pizza was somewhat controversial. Quite a few unvoted him. But I stuck with him and certainly his wrap moved the game forward.

I'm finding that people who use the "a quiet TexCat is a scum TexCat" card are almost always scum, thinking that they can get me mis-wrapped that way. That's one reason I questioned Renata and thought they were scum, they went after a quiet me: but not after a quiet Lightfoot or Raventhief.

This post by Burma Shave may be the scummiest post of the game, certainly the scummiest after Day one.

How is it the scummiest post? That's some stretch there. It is mostly summarizing/paraphrasing your posts. You were the lowest poster D1 and in comparison to almost everyone else only had a couple of noncontroversial things to say about pizza.

[Swammerdami]

With a single wrap toDay Town probably wins if we hit Scum; probably loses if we hit Town.

With a triple wrap toDay Town probably wins if we hit 2 Scums; loses if we hit zero Scum.

The interesting case is when we triple wrap but hit exactly one Scum. In that case it's good for Town, I think, if the one scum we wrap is the Mariah.

Originally Posted by Burma Shave

Town will win if three scum get executed as there are only three left. However, at least one town (me) is on the block right now and if it gets to 3-3 with it only needing one vote for the third wrap scum can easily control it. I am not so confident in my reads that I would pick out the right three. You seem to be.

Not at all. That's why I ask the "Council" for recommendations.

Originally Posted by Burma Shave

I also had a problem with your town council. Not the idea, but the players. It could be that raventhief has fooled me, it could be that A Poor Shepherd Boy has fooled me, but it looks to me like YOU have picked out the three towniest people (from my POV) for suspicion. And yet now you have selected Texcat for 2nd wrap, who was lately one of your favored town council members. Could you explain that? This is question 1

Let me rephrase the proposal then. EVERYONE should feel free to nominate the Wrappees. I hope that the Townies will compromise with others whom they think to be Townies and establish a consensus.

SOON. Time is running out.

Originally Posted by Burma Shave

I also point out that if one townie votes another townie, which may have happened, scum can finish that one off. To elaborate on the "may have," you have voted for town, but I don't know that you are town. APSB has voted for Jackie, and while I don't know about either of them, my read is they are more likely to be town than Texcat is.

TexCat is my best guess right now, and I'm swinging between two others. APSB said Jackie hadn't asked a lot of questions but I thought the one asking why you stand aside was a good one. And your answer was that you didn't have strong opinions about who is scum.

This is question 2. Like, specifically what have you found scummy about me? I know on D2 when you voted me you said I hadn't posted that day. But I had. And you may have been one who said "late vote on Halfrize and not voting for Red." But I was parked on Halfrize from fairly early until fairly late, when I thought I was gonna be wrapped, and I wanted the vote record to reflect my suspicions at the time. I switched back when someone else led the vote at EoD.

Not gonna @ you but I would like to know the answers.

If you're not the Mariah Godfather, then who is?

Originally Posted by Burma Shave

Stepping out of little red ragtop to post this. Have given every player a ranking, depending on where I see them. Higher = less scummy.

8. Renata. Likelihood of being conf/town 75%. Have actually never seen a cop hit a GF and BC’s flip makes that even less likely
7. raventhief. The only thing that makes her look not towny to me was Dizzy’s reaction EoD3, absolute refusal to vote her, and defense of her play earlier in the day. I think that’s just Dizzy. Probably town, say 60%.
6. A Poor Shepherd Boy. He was on my D1 list for something to do with pizza’s plan. I never really understood that plan, maybe a little more when Pleonast explained it, and that could be why I thought APSB looked scummy. But less so now. Probably town 55%
5. Dizzymrslizzy. EoD3 she was not very townsided for sure, but that doesn’t make her scum. I think she just has strong convictions, and sometimes they are wrong (BC innocent, flip not revealing anything worthwhile). Sometimes mine are too (Mendie). Still a town lean here but it has gotten more perpendicular. Town lean 51%
. . .

Your list of the Towniest, especially raventhief and perhaps Renata, looks to me like a list of the likeliest Mariah GF alternatives to you.

But I am not at all sure of anything anymore. That's why I hope that players more tuned into the game than I am will make suggestions I can follow. I think Renata and LightFoot are Town — I'm likely to follow their lead if it looks like it will lead to Triple Wrap.

[Swammerdami]

Especially important — and I did mention this earlier — is that we are rather certain that the last Mariah killed Miko. Why kill Miko? The last Mariah was probably NOT Renata; Miko was no longer suspicious of her; she had little urgent reason to wish him dead. Instead she wanted him alive to help wrap others.

Similar reasoning applies to APSB and Dizzy. Following this argument, Burma Shave and raventhief become the likeliest Miko-killers. (I might support double wrap of these two but there may be a consensus to make TexCat one of the wrappees.)

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Texcat (2): Dizzymrslizzy (41), Burma Shave (48)
Burma Shave (2): Swammerdami (10)[21], TexCat (15), Swammerdami (63)
Jackielikesvariety (1): A Poor Shepherd Boy (16)

Texcat is set to be wrapped if nothing changes. We have 5 votes from 9 active players.

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Swammerdami

Especially important — and I did mention this earlier — is that we are rather certain that the last Mariah killed Miko. Why kill Miko? The last Mariah was probably NOT Renata; Miko was no longer suspicious of her; she had little urgent reason to wish him dead. Instead she wanted him alive to help wrap others.

Similar reasoning applies to APSB and Dizzy. Following this argument, Burma Shave and raventhief become the likeliest Miko-killers. (I might support double wrap of these two but there may be a consensus to make TexCat one of the wrappees.)

Ding ding ding. We have a winner. We have to wrap Burma today. That will prevent him killing tonight. I'll volunteer to be the second wrap if we can get Burma killed. I almost always think that a town for a scum is a good trade.

[JackieLikesVariety]

vote TexCat

I have to vote because I might not get back here before the end not sure how the rest of my day will play out.

[Swammerdami]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Ties will be broken by wrapping the player who got to the wrap-total first.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Texcat is set to be wrapped if nothing changes. We have 5 votes from 9 active players.

Burma Shave got to two votes os post #15 (TexCat). TexCat didn't get to two votes until #48 (Burma Shave).

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Ties will be broken by wrapping the player who got to the wrap-total first.

[raventhief]

I have not been able to get into this game and stay there for some reason. I'm at a loss.

I'll

[Burma Shave]

Well great, I have to deal with something and I probably won't be back, in any sense.

Hope that is a nice ranch I end up getting.

In the extremely unlikely event that Tex is town, get raventhief tomorrow

If Tex is scum, get LightFoot

[Burma Shave]

I may have accidentally edited that post above. Trying to get around the 403 FOrBIDDEN error, again.

Dim your lights
behind a car.
Let folks see
how bright YOU are!

(imagine some little drive-bys in between those signs, apparently I am limited to one)

[Swammerdami]

Are we not now 3-3-1 ? A triple-wrap if the 3-3 holds.

If Jackie is wrapped and flips Town, wrap APSB toMorrow.

But variations are still possible.

We have yet to hear from LightFoot and Renata. If two of toDay's three wrappees are determined, LF and Renata can set the third.

[Burma Shave]

Repeating because I feel even more confident in this now:

Originally Posted by Burma Shave

In the extremely unlikely event that Tex is town, get raventhief tomorrow

If Tex is scum, get LightFoot

I probably didn't need to say it, I think you'll see it



If you don't know whose signs these are
you haven't driven
very far

If you don't know what
these signs mean
In '63 you weren't
even a gleam...

[LightFoot]

I don't know the vote count and I don't have much time

if I can read anything I will try to return

[Swammerdami]

It is anti-Town and therefore Elfy for LightFoot, or any of the candidates for Elf, to vote the possible Mariah while giving no opinion about Elves.

I would be willing to move my vote from BS to LF but this would risk getting a single-wrap toDay instead of triple-wrap.

I would make the move with cooperation from Renata, APSB, Jackie.

[JackieLikesVariety]

vote count

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Burma Shave (4): Swammerdami (10)[21], TexCat (15), Swammerdami (63), raventhief (73), LightFoot (78)
Texcat (3): Dizzymrslizzy (41), Burma Shave (48), JackieLikesVariety (71)
Jackielikesvariety (1): A Poor Shepherd Boy (16)

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by Swammerdami

It is anti-Town and therefore Elfy for LightFoot, or any of the candidates for Elf, to vote the possible Mariah while giving no opinion about Elves.

I would be willing to move my vote from BS to LF but this would risk getting a single-wrap toDay instead of triple-wrap.

I would make the move with cooperation from Renata, APSB, Jackie.

I’d much rather LightFoot over Burma.

I think a LightFoot/Tex team is very possible.

The fact that LightFoot added onto the Burma case makes me feel awkward. All of my FOSs are on Burma right now. This post here moves you Swammi higher to the town pile….

[Dizzymrslizzy]

@TexCat. I’d be perfectly willing to move off of you if you would answer any of my thoughts on you. Don’t get your lack of fight at all!

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Burma Shave (4): Swammerdami (10)[21], TexCat (15), Swammerdami (63), raventhief (73), LightFoot (78)
Texcat (3): Dizzymrslizzy (41), Burma Shave (48), JackieLikesVariety (71)
Jackielikesvariety (1): A Poor Shepherd Boy (16)

Burma Shave, Texcat, and Jackie will all be wrapped if nothing changes in 25 minutes or so.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

I guess that’s that huh…

[JackieLikesVariety]

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