Nextdoor Mafia Day 2--WINTER

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Thanks ever so for answering for Bear
I wager guiri did not pronounce himself Scum in your 'hood though.

Guiri doesn't have to be scum for you to know that Bear and I are neighbors. You understand that don't you.

Once you flip Scum, I can re-evaluate Guiri and what he's up to.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

No your scum, because Bear didn't say anything about me being his neighbor in this main thread. At all, just re-read every last post, and no where does he crumb it, say it, suggest it. No where.

You outted me Lightfoot. You and you alone, and I'm not that thrilled with it, and there's really only one way you would know that I was paired with Bear.

Your opinion. But I saw it posted in game.


I see no reason to rehash

Question for other players: Does anyone else see what I saw?





Hell- If you are determined that guiri is Scum and shared your secrets on the Scum board than All Scum know this anyway.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Guiri doesn't have to be scum for you to know that Bear and I are neighbors. You understand that don't you.

Once you flip Scum, I can re-evaluate Guiri and what he's up to.

You contradict yourself.


Then how else did I know besides the method I explained?
Re- read the post of Bears that you quoted if you would please


NOW the horse is dead to me for now.
I need to go shopping.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

You contradict yourself.


Then how else did I know besides the method I explained?
Re- read the post of Bears that you quoted if you would please


NOW the horse is dead to me for now.
I need to go shopping.

No I never said anything about Guiri…. That was Bear…. I actually don’t get a scum vibe from Guiri….

But no matter the break up, except if all scum are in one neighborhood which I still believe is possible but not probable, scum will know who is in what neighborhood by process of elimination, or be pretty close to sure.

[LightFoot]

With the information that I have from IN GAME and my 'hood I now know who is in what 'hood.

unless there has been misinformation shared.
It gives me no advantage at this point- not sure it will but it is.


I am looking forward to others commenting in game ( other than the current talkers)
it is hard to not vote those that appear to be wrong headed- But those that are not weighing in on the subjects at hand need to feel suspected by their absence.

[Bashorian Clement]

To answer your question, LightFoot, there's been no conversation in my neighborhood. I've tried to engage both members with specific questions, and neither has replied. I think the hood state lends itself to a two-scum community.

As for who visited guiri and/or Bear_Nenno, it wasn't me. I didn't go anywhere Night 1.

I would remind people that I posted information in the Night 0 thread regarding my occupation.

I would vote one of my neighbors, but we do need a majority to eliminate; I don't think my case (non-communication and apparent lurking) is all that persuasive to gain a majority vote on either of them, and I think either Bear or Kaiveran would be a good elimination.

I lean toward Bear because of the defensiveness. My vote at the beginning of the Day was just to get a vote down, and Bear was the one that raised my hackles most, a hunch. As the Day has progressed it seems that he has gotten quite defensive. I don't discount, however, his bead on Kaiveran for Bear's stated reason, that Mendie is Town and therefore Kaiveran is scum. But that seems a weaker case, and it's too much of a leap at this point. I will note, however, that Kaiveran, it seems, as scum always posts something about how they don't have time to catch up and will make a big catch-up post later, but then goes ahead and makes a significant sized post on the game state. It seems to me that, in general, when players complain about not being able to catch up, there's a greater than random chance that they're scum.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Fact - I told him in our neighborhood chat He was visited last night.

You, as neighborhood watcher, were able to tell both that someone from outside the neighborhood visited the neighborhood, and who they visited specifically?

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

You, as neighborhood watcher, were able to tell both that someone from outside the neighborhood visited the neighborhood, and who they visited specifically?

Or are you also a Watcher in the traditional sense?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

To answer your question, LightFoot, there's been no conversation in my neighborhood. I've tried to engage both members with specific questions, and neither has replied. I think the hood state lends itself to a two-scum community.

When you ask someone a pointed question and they respond - I myself, and I assume others would appreciate a direct response/reaction in kind

As for who visited guiri and/or Bear_Nenno, it wasn't me. I didn't go anywhere Night 1.

I would remind people that I posted information in the Night 0 thread regarding my occupation.

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

I'm an IT security guy. That's pretty neat.

Got it.what ever that is..............

I would vote one of my neighbors, but we do need a majority to eliminate; I don't think my case (non-communication and apparent lurking) is all that persuasive to gain a majority vote on either of them, and I think either Bear or Kaiveran would be a good elimination.

I lean toward Bear because of the defensiveness. My vote at the beginning of the Day was just to get a vote down, and Bear was the one that raised my hackles most, a hunch. As the Day has progressed it seems that he has gotten quite defensive. I don't discount, however, his bead on Kaiveran for Bear's stated reason, that Mendie is Town and therefore Kaiveran is scum. But that seems a weaker case, and it's too much of a leap at this point. I will note, however, that Kaiveran, it seems, as scum always posts something about how they don't have time to catch up and will make a big catch-up post later, but then goes ahead and makes a significant sized post on the game state. It seems to me that, in general, when players complain about not being able to catch up, there's a greater than random chance that they're scum.

I voted there yesterDay - but I question if a Town would be so very determined with an unpopular/unfounded theory so blindly.

[LightFoot]

OOG promising job interview tomorrow- wish me luck
actually I don't need luck- just an interviewer that understands my worth

[Bashorian Clement]

Good luck! Knock their socks off.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Good luck! Knock their socks off.

Hope they don't have gnarley feet

[LightFoot]

NETA no offense Charlie

[guiri]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Thanks ever so for answering for Bear
I wager guiri did not pronounce himself Scum in your 'hood though.

I did not. Bear suspects I am scum by process of elimination (his theory that there’s 1 scum in every hood) and because I was not comfortable sharing details about my power (with someone who avoided our neighborhood all D1 and N1 and was my #1 scum candidate). I confirmed the stuff about Dizzy as you were both going down rabbit holes.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Bear_nenno (4): Bashorian Clement (5), Mahaloth (21), Mendie Taoma (28), guiri (67)
Kaiveran (1): Bear_Nenno (24)
Dizzymrslizzy (1): LightFoot (44)
Lightfoot (1): Dizzymrslizzy (141)

Not voting: Kaiveran, Plumpudding, raventhief, TexCat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to evict.

Dizzy: Hugs to Mini-Dizzy and you
LightFoot: Good luck!

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Not voting: Kaiveran, Plumpudding, raventhief, TexCat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to evict.

Dizzy: Hugs to Mini-Dizzy and you
LightFoot: Good luck!

Are our non-voters ready to vote? I think it is important we vote someone out today and I highly recommend Bear or Mendie. I have no inside information or anything, like I'm not claiming a power. I just think they are fine choices for the vote out.

It would be great to get a vote in today so we have at least 24 hours to discuss the situation. I kind of hate when votes all fall in the last couple hours, which is tomorrow.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

I am not voting Bear at this time.

[raventhief]

I don't agree with the idea of over scum pretty neighborhood. Depending on number of scum or might break correctly ... Or not. IF there are 3 scum, that theory would be 1 scum per, then the 3p in the 4th. I feel like if that were part of the design, it could potentially be a bit game breaking (can one break something a little? Or is it more like being "a little bit pregnant"?)

I see what Lightfoot said about Lizzy and what Bear said. The only way he could know that Lizzy has a neighborhood dependent power is if she said so in the neighborhood chat. I don't remember where Pleo said his was neighborhood dependent.

The lack of confidence b in the theory is why I'm not convinced Guiri "must" be scum.

I don't know about Bear. As I think I said before, it looked like theories, and not PII.

I'm inclined toward Kai at the moment. But that's a vague sort of inclination. My lunch break is over, and I'll return anon.

[guiri]

@raventhief I think your first paragraph got over-autocorrected or something, it’s tough to parse.

[Mendie Taoma]

Originally Posted by guiri

@raventhief I think your first paragraph got over-autocorrected or something, it’s tough to parse.

Well, I mean PIS Perfect Information Slip, and PII ... Personally Identifiable Information .... Kinda the same thing, in this context?

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Bear_nenno (4): Bashorian Clement (5), Mahaloth (21), Mendie Taoma (28), guiri (67)
Kaiveran (1): Bear_Nenno (24)
Dizzymrslizzy (1): LightFoot (44)
Lightfoot (1): Dizzymrslizzy (141)

Not voting: Kaiveran, Plumpudding, raventhief, TexCat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to evict. Tick-tock!

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by raventhief

I don't agree with the idea of over scum pretty neighborhood. Depending on number of scum or might break correctly ... Or not. IF there are 3 scum, that theory would be 1 scum per, then the 3p in the 4th. I feel like if that were part of the design, it could potentially be a bit game breaking (can one break something a little? Or is it more like being "a little bit pregnant"?)

I see what Lightfoot said about Lizzy and what Bear said. The only way he could know that Lizzy has a neighborhood dependent power is if she said so in the neighborhood chat. I don't remember where Pleo said his was neighborhood dependent.

The lack of confidence b in the theory is why I'm not convinced Guiri "must" be scum.

I don't know about Bear. As I think I said before, it looked like theories, and not PII.

I'm inclined toward Kai at the moment. But that's a vague sort of inclination. My lunch break is over, and I'll return anon.

Neta to make this more legible.


I don't agree with the idea of one scum per neighborhood idea. Depending on number of scum it might break correctly (4 scum, 4 neighborhood, one per neighborhood... Or not. IF there are 3 scum, that theory would be 1 scum per neighborhood, then the 3p in the 4th.

I feel like if that were part of the design, that the mod out 1 non town in each neighborhood deliberately, it could potentially be a bit game breaking (can one break something a little? Or is it more like being "a little bit pregnant"?) Because if that's by design, evicting a scum clears their neighbors.


I hope that clears up my post? Swype and autocorrect are my enemies.

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

To our townie graffiti artist:
Why did you not share your name? Did you assume this would be disclosed by the mod automatically? Either that is the case, or you are not allowed to say your name. If the latter, I suggest you write something that includes a number. The number should be where you fall on the list of players in the sign-up thread. That way, we know who the mod-confirmed townie is. There are enough powers in this game, that I think scum would be crazy to target you at Night. So, let us know who you are.

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

There is a non-zero chance that the graffiti artist power belongs to scum. We are already significantly underpowered and under-advantaged by the "majority vote" requirement and these weak ass "powers" we all have. What purpose does a scum graffiti artist serve in this game other than to just rub it into our faces that we're going to lose? Some assumptions are more likely than others, and I can understand the caution in accepting anything as "fact". But as much as anything in this game can be "known", I think it's pretty damn certain the graffiti artist is town.

I don't think the graffiti artist needs to claim right away. It is possible, though, for it to be a useful role. It might be possible for an investigator of some sort to communicate privately with the artist. The artist could then let us know of the results while letting the investigator remain anonymous. A lot of speculation, but it's possible for it to be useful.

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

So here you go Lightfoot.....You vote me on what you already seem to mysteriously know. No where does Bear say that he's in my neighborhood.

Here's my explanation for this post.

I am a watcher for my neighborhood.
I have no animals that alert me. I don't have a bell or a whistle to blow, but I peer out of my awesome little home and see everything going on around my beloved piece of neighborhood.

I saw last night someone *cough* visited Bear.
I also saw last night someone visited Guiri.

So why are you pushing so hard to out me Lightfoot? Why is that necessary? And do you want to explain your whereabouts last night????

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

No your scum, because Bear didn't say anything about me being his neighbor in this main thread. At all, just re-read every last post, and no where does he crumb it, say it, suggest it. No where.

You outted me Lightfoot. You and you alone, and I'm not that thrilled with it, and there's really only one way you would know that I was paired with Bear.

Dizzy, Have you figured out how Lightfoot knew you were Bear's neighbor? Bear did say that your power was affected by the neighborhoods. But that was not public information. Bear had private info about you, and so LF assumed that you were in the same neighborhood.

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

Well, I mean PIS Perfect Information Slip, and PII ... Personally Identifiable Information .... Kinda the same thing, in this context?

PII at my work means personally identifying information. My brain just went to PII automatically I guess.

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by raventhief

PII at my work means personally identifying information. My brain just went to PII automatically I guess.

So Mendie hit it in the great, it's an initialism I use a LOT.

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by raventhief

So Mendie hit it in the great, it's an initialism I use a LOT.

FUCK AUTOCORRECT.

MENDIE HIT IT ON THE HEAD.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by TexCat

~

I don't think the graffiti artist needs to claim right away. It is possible, though, for it to be a useful role. It might be possible for an investigator of some sort to communicate privately with the artist. The artist could then let us know of the results while letting the investigator remain anonymous. A lot of speculation, but it's possible for it to be useful.



~

I said much the same - although differently,earlier.

at least someone is on the same page as I am, occasionally

[LightFoot]

I can't help but wonder what the bond is with Dizzy and Bear.
well ,for certain Bear has Dizzy hard in the Town column, and Dizzy "won't vote Bear at this time"
I like my neighbours, but I have no way / reason to trust them .

That reminds me I have a neighbour I need to check on- They haven't been picking up the papers on their porch.

[raventhief]

I'm still puzzled by when Pleo said his power was neighborhood specific- can someone point me to that post?

Pretty please with sugar on top?

[Dizzymrslizzy]

I’m in my phone… but it was the Jedi one

[Mendie Taoma]

Originally Posted by raventhief

So Mendie hit it in the great, it's an initialism I use a LOT.

The U.S. Government let me Enumerate the 2010 Census. There was training covering this.

Seven years later, I would apply to be a mail carrier, and the online application process would reject my application. They cited psychological reasons. * **.

* Meeko / Mendie going Postal? ... Ueah. No. I think they might have been on to something there.

For real. I had no idea that those cars didn't have A/C or any of the other assumptions I made about that job.

** The above is all true. That Census job was amazing for the month I had it. $18.75 hour in 2010 money.

[raventhief]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

I’m in my phone… but it was the Jedi one

Thank you!

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by TexCat

I don't think the graffiti artist needs to claim right away. It is possible, though, for it to be a useful role. It might be possible for an investigator of some sort to communicate privately with the artist. The artist could then let us know of the results while letting the investigator remain anonymous. A lot of speculation, but it's possible for it to be useful.

How could any player communicate to any other player without the possibility of scum seeing it? It feels like you're saying, "Don't claim in the game thread where all of town can see it. Claim in the neighborhood thread where only a couple down, but ALL OF SCUM will get it. How else would you propose such a secret exchange of information occur?

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I can't help but wonder what the bond is with Dizzy and Bear.
well ,for certain Bear has Dizzy hard in the Town column, and Dizzy "won't vote Bear at this time"
I like my neighbours, but I have no way / reason to trust them .

That reminds me I have a neighbour I need to check on- They haven't been picking up the papers on their porch.

Or maybe she just doesn't want to vote for a townie? You're really stretching hard to see things where you want to see them. Mendie earlier stated the opinion of both hem and Kaiveran as if hey were a single person with a single opinion. "We believe you are scum" (or something to that affect). To me, such a statement is much greater evidence of having a "bond" with another player. But you don't see that. How could you, though? After all, you have your Bear blinders on as always. Every single game I play in you're "Bear is scum. Bear is scum...." Every game from Day 1. You never see anything else.

Dizzy and I don't share a bond, neighborly or otherwise. There are plenty of people in this game who are more likely scum than either of my neighbors. I wouldn't feel comfortable voting for either of them at this time. That's not because we share a bond, it's because we are sharing information. Shared information is great--even a lie will help find scum. Especially a lie. The important thing is the three of us are talking. Our neighborhood is often more chatty than this place. Where is everyone?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

~How could any player communicate to any other player without the possibility of scum seeing it? It feels like you're saying, "Don't claim in the game thread where all of town can see it. Claim in the neighborhood thread where only a couple down, but ALL OF SCUM will get it. How else would you propose such a secret exchange of information occur?

Well, if it was a neighbourhood without a Scum there would be a benefit.
Also IF the info was leaked that 'hood would know for certain they had a Scum among them.

could be a calculated risk

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Bear_Nenno

Or maybe she just doesn't want to vote for a townie? You're really stretching hard to see things where you want to see them. Mendie earlier stated the opinion of both hem and Kaiveran as if hey were a single person with a single opinion. "We believe you are scum" (or something to that affect). To me, such a statement is much greater evidence of having a "bond" with another player. But you don't see that. How could you, though? After all, you have your Bear blinders on as always. Every single game I play in you're "Bear is scum. Bear is scum...." Every game from Day 1. You never see anything else.

Dizzy and I don't share a bond, neighborly or otherwise. There are plenty of people in this game who are more likely scum than either of my neighbors. I wouldn't feel comfortable voting for either of them at this time. That's not because we share a bond, it's because we are sharing information. Shared information is great--even a lie will help find scum. Especially a lie. The important thing is the three of us are talking. Our neighborhood is often more chatty than this place. Where is everyone?

No need to be so harsh. I am not out to get you I am questioning statements made.

I don't even remember the last time(s) I played with you .

Wait didn't your Scum in every 'hood theory lead you to state that guiri was Scum?

Are you rescinding that?

[Dizzymrslizzy]

I have no bond with Bear or Guiri aside from we have our little neighborhood.

My initial impression of Bear was that He was gung ho to share all about our neighborhood but hadn’t shown up to even say hi to Guiri or I. It was odd behavior, that I found scummy.

Add to that his theories seemed a little to PIS for me the combination lead to my D1 vote.

Since then we’ve chatted and my initial reasonings are not valid anymore. Plain and simple.

[Bear_Nenno]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Wait didn't your Scum in every 'hood theory lead you to state that guiri was Scum?

Are you rescinding that?

I stated that guiri was most likely the non-town player in my hood because I think every hood has one and guiri was more likely than Dizzy because guiri hadn't shared as much info. Guiri has since shared PR information with the hood. So, now, neither is more likely than the other to be not town. Therefore, I will not be voting either until one appears more scummy than the other.

Either Kaiveran or Mendi is not town. Kaiveran is more likely than Mendi.

[Mahaloth]

I still don't get the point of neighborhoods as a town player. I'm not going to say anything much in my neighborhood as I have zero special information on who to trust.

If it plays some kind of role in scum game, I have no idea. I mean, they could listen to us if they are distributed amongst the neighborhoods, but I'd advise town to be silent in their neighborhood unless you have some kind of power related to it.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

You, as neighborhood watcher, were able to tell both that someone from outside the neighborhood visited the neighborhood, and who they visited specifically?

Dizzy, I don't think you got to this.

[Bashorian Clement]

I don't think I have a Town read other than LightFoot. Raventhief and Mendie are close.

[Plumpudding]

I really struggling to keep up. I'm sorry folks. For now I'll



In case I miss EOD. A bit too much weird there I think.

[Bashorian Clement]

Yeah it would be helpful if people posted their reads. It's hard enough coming to some sort of consensus without knowing what others are thinking.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I still don't get the point of neighborhoods as a town player. I'm not going to say anything much in my neighborhood as I have zero special information on who to trust.

If it plays some kind of role in scum game, I have no idea. I mean, they could listen to us if they are distributed amongst the neighborhoods, but I'd advise town to be silent in their neighborhood unless you have some kind of power related to it.

Who's scum, Mahaloth?

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Who's scum, Mahaloth?

I've said my thoughts:

Bear or Mendie

Or both, to be honest. My vote is on Bear and will remain so unless enough folks say Mendie, which I can get behind.

[raventhief]

I'm going to echo myself from yesterday:



Re-reading - a small thing that jumped out at me is their " pressed for time" post.

They're short of time, and yet takes a few minutes to reminisce about a prior game where they were a wolf. And link to another game that explains the lag they are experiencing.

It's a minor thing, but I'm still trying to get a better read on... Well, everyone.

[guiri]

Bear_nenno (5): Bashorian Clement (5), Mahaloth (21), Mendie Taoma (28), guiri (67), Plumpudding (192)
Kaiveran (2): Bear_Nenno (24), raventhief (196)
Dizzymrslizzy (1): LightFoot (44)
Lightfoot (1): Dizzymrslizzy (141)
Not Voting (1): Kaiveran, TexCat

@LightFoot @Dizzymrslizzy do you refuse to vote either Bear or Kai?
@Kaiveran @TexCat plan to vote toDay?

I’m happy to switch to Kai if we can get a majority there, I’m cooling off on Bear.

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

I don't think I have a Town read other than LightFoot. Raventhief and Mendie are close.

I agree with Lightfoot and Raventhief. Town leans there. Why are you leaning town on Mendie?

[TexCat]

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Bear_nenno (5): Bashorian Clement (5), Mahaloth (21), Mendie Taoma (28), guiri (67), Plumpudding (192)
Kaiveran (3): Bear_Nenno (24), raventhief (196), TexCat (199)
Dizzymrslizzy (1): LightFoot (44)
Lightfoot (1): Dizzymrslizzy (141)

Not voting: Kaiveran

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to evict! You have a little over an hour.