Can we leave Charlie Sheen alone?

[timbicile]

The guy makes a ton of money. He makes CBS a ton of money. 2 and 1/2 men helps feed the cameramans family. Quit screaming for re-hab. He is a grown man. If he happens to flame out spectacularly, I will watch but his choices are his.

[The Superhero]

I don't disagree, generally, but if Sheen is unable to perform, that affects the work and livelihood of all the people who work on the show. I don't much care if he wants to die facedown in a Scarface-style mountain of blow with a hooker on each arm. But I can see why the other people who work on the show might be a wee bit miffed with him.

[Zombies!]

But in the end, that's between Uncle Charlie, his coworkers and the bedsheets. The rest of us have no stake in it.

[Dudley]

Originally Posted by The Superhero

I don't disagree, generally, but if Sheen is unable to perform, that affects the work and livelihood of all the people who work on the show. I don't much care if he wants to die facedown in a Scarface-style mountain of blow with a hooker on each arm. But I can see why the other people who work on the show might be a wee bit miffed with him.

I could, as well, but then again, what about the producers who don't just kill off the Sheen character and find a replacement? I mean, it's been done before with other shows. I think if I were part of the cast or crew, I'd be a little more pissed at those who choose who's on the show.

[eleanorigby]

I gotta go full Craig Ferguson* on this Charlie Sheen debacle (and Lindsay Lohan for good measure): she and Sheen need help. It's sad to watch the disintegration of these people--of anyone who is addicted to whatever and out of control. I've done my share of pointing and laughing (or at least scorning) celebs (and even people in my own life), but our derision serves no purpose. It certainly doesn't help them. No doubt they have hurt and are hurting those close to them; the public sneering can't help their families (although Lohan's seem to be a bit insulated from reality) either.


*When he stood up for decency.

CraigFerguson

[Orual]

He's a grown fucking wife beater and I hope he dies in a puddle of his own vomit.

[timbicile]

If you are really good at your job would you want the media looking at your personal life? I do feel for anyone who relies on the show for income, but he is a man that does not need the show.

[Chacoguy]

Originally Posted by Orual

He's a grown fucking wife beater and I hope he dies in a puddle of his own vomit.

There's no need to sugar coat that for us.

[Anacanapuna]

He gets paid for people to look at him. When your livelihood consists of, "Hey, lookit me! Whatch what I'm doing!" you don't have the right to say, "Oh, no, don't look now!" when you get caught getting a blow job from a $500 hooker (or whateverthefuck he was doing when he was arrested the last time.) Lots and lots of people make their livings by saying, "Hey, lookit me!" and they don't flame out publicly, and they don't make drunken asses of themselves.

No, let's not leave Charlie Sheen alone. Yes, he does make a shitpotful of money by entertainng us, and his off-camera meltdowns are just as entertaining and just as worthy of public critique as his on-camera antics.

[AuntiePam]

Originally Posted by timbicile

The guy makes a ton of money. He makes CBS a ton of money. 2 and 1/2 men helps feed the cameramans family. Quit screaming for re-hab. He is a grown man. If he happens to flame out spectacularly, I will watch but his choices are his.

But the unusual thing about Sheen is that he doesn't care if we're all up in his business. He's put it all out there hisownself. You know he's getting off on the attention. He's proud of his lifestyle -- hasn't tried to hide anything.

What was it he said on the radio recently -- something about everybody else is in bed with their ugly wives while he's taking hot babes to the Bahamas in a private jet? He doesn't care. He's like Jimmy Cagney just before the tanks blew up.

[Colonel Plink]

Originally Posted by Orual

He's a grown fucking wife beater and I hope he dies in a puddle of his own vomit.

I'm not inclined to be as generous in my assessment.

[eleanorigby]

Hookers are $500? For a blowjob?!?
I thought only call girls made that kinda money. I am so in the wrong profession.

[severe delays]

Originally Posted by eleanorigby

Hookers are $500? For a blowjob?!?
I thought only call girls made that kinda money. I am so in the wrong profession.

It is possibly a mark of how uncivilised this forum is that this was my first thought.

Really? What would one have to do for $500?

[Zeener Diode]

Originally Posted by eleanorigby

Hookers are $500? For a blowjob?!?
I thought only call girls made that kinda money. I am so in the wrong profession.

In the interest of advancing your education, I am willing to step up and donate my living body for all practical purposes.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by severe delays

Really? What would one have to do for $500?

Hang on, I'm sure I've got a list here somewhere.

[Anacanapuna]

Originally Posted by severe delays

It is possibly a mark of how uncivilised this forum is that this was my first thought.

Really? What would one have to do for $500?

I dunno, maybe I'm paying too much. Anbd, again, that's in Vegas, not L.A.

[eleanorigby]

Originally Posted by Zeener Diode

In the interest of advancing your education, I am willing to step up and donate my living body for all practical purposes.

I am not sure I have the pleasure of understanding you. You will donate your body to me so that I may learn this new profession and craft my skills?


Sorry, but I'm only interested in the Pell Grant version of this program.

[IronHorse]

Originally Posted by eleanorigby

Hookers are $500? For a blowjob?!?
I thought only call girls made that kinda money. I am so in the wrong profession.

Well, when you have rich clients, you can get away with inflating your prices. If you have a lot of money, there's not that much difference between $50 and $500.

[THespos]

I'm usually the first to urge folks to avoid giving celebrity attention whores that which they crave so much. Sheen needs help, because it's completely obvious what's going on and we all know where this one ends - In a hotel room, with coroners, gross photos and a scared call girl whimpering in the corner.

That said, the stuff coming out of Sheen's mouth has unbelievable entertainment value. I can't stop laughing when I read his latest coke-fueled boasts on Twitter and elsewhere. I think it's somewhat funny because many of us have that friend who goes completely apeshit bonkers after thinking they're somehow immune to the downfall that cocaine inevitably delivers. Even making $1.8 million an episode (or whatever), it's really easy for public figures with coke habits and a penchant for prostitutes to piss through that kind of money quickly and tragically. Yet Sheen's ego persists. It's like watching the Cocaine Bear meme spread - just in real life, and nuttier.

Part of me really hopes that he has some close relationships that are still intact and that someone he trusts intervenes successfully. The other part of me realizes that some people just want to flame out spectacularly, and if Sheen wants to do that, there's probably little we can do to stop it.

[Scarlet4511]

My hubby loves his show, I'm more meh about it. But the guy definitely needs some help. Especially if he wants to be a good father to his kids. I hope he gets off drugs and rehabilitates himself.

[Mako]

FWIW, I find him hugely entertaining in the same was THespos appears to.

As for leaving him alone, I reckon that's absolutely the LAST thing Sheen wants!

[Taur]

Gotta thank the guy for my custom title.

[Mr. Buttons]

It's all the fun of rubbernecking while passing a highway accident, without the bothersome traffic jam. The above poster has the best prediction of when this will end. Clue answer- Col. cocaine w/ a rolled up $1 bill, in the hotel room via overdose.

[Metallic Squink]

Originally Posted by Board Taurus

Gotta thank the guy for my custom title.

You forgot "from Mars"!

[Borborygmi]

Offered without comment:

http://livethesheendream.com/

[Taur]

Originally Posted by Metallic Squink

You forgot "from Mars"!

I tried! I was stymied by Giraffe's ill thought out title character limits. Plus I thought if I used 'Rock Star from Mars' that everyone would think I was David Bowie.

[Veb]

Never seen his show, so no caveats for his artistic skills going to waste. The fact that I know anything about his personal life is a depressing. From what I do know, he and his ex-wives, girlfriends, whatevers are a Venn diagram of Hollywood sleaze. It sounds like the guy is seriously ill, mentally if not from addictions as well. So on a human level, I hope he gets himself to a point where he wants to heal.

But gutter press or not, nobody lives their lives in tabloid hell without some degree of consent. Nobody dragged him onto talk shows, Twitter or in front of reporters. Maybe he's so used to life in front of media scrutiny that he forgot he can choose privacy. So for making himself chum in the tabloid shark tank...sorry, Charlie. He screwed himself.

[Zombies!]

I'm wondering now if he was actually pinging when I watched the interview with him last night, or if he's had some sort of psychotic break from trying to go cold turkey after doing so much coke for so long.

Poor Uncle Charlie.

[Lord Blackmore]

Originally Posted by Borborygmi

Offered without comment:

http://livethesheendream.com/

Yeah, I ran into that site earlier today. It's pretty funny.

I hope he gets his act together. I haven't seen the TV show, but CS is a pretty funny guy.

The little bit of reading I've done about CS and the show leads me to believe that CS isn't the only problem. The writer/producer of the show, Chuck Lorre sounds like a real tool.

[Taur]

Originally Posted by Lord Blackmore

The little bit of reading I've done about CS and the show leads me to believe that CS isn't the only problem.

They're the new Toxic Twins.

[puttering]

I saw more Charlie Sheen last night (20/20 interview) than I've seen of him during the last, what, 8? 9? seasons of his show, but I watched in disbelief at the same time he was cracking my shit up. Does he really expect anyone to believe the stuff that comes out of his mouth, or is it all a big show? He might be approaching an Andy Kaufman-esque level of performance art.

But OK, I'll lay off him. Instead I'll talk about his two girlfriends. One of them was kind of cute, but the other? Ew, not so much. She ain't gonna last long.

[Lord Blackmore]

Originally Posted by puttering

But OK, I'll lay off him. Instead I'll talk about his two girlfriends. One of them was kind of cute, but the other? Ew, not so much. She ain't gonna last long.

One of them is alleged "former" porn star Bree Olson. Not sure about the other one.

[Fish]

Nothing succeeds in the media like failure.

[Hamadryad]

If he stops waving his arms around and jumping up and down and screaming, "LOOK AT ME!!!" in my face, then yes, I'll be happy to leave him alone. I can't go anywhere on the stupid Intertubes without seeing some reference to him, usually a quote, because he won't SHUT. UP.

[Uthrecht]

If he has money to burn, wants attention and likes getting the occasional mug shot, he should stop the silly drug use and start going around beating up Westboro Baptist folks at their protests.

[Taur]

He's tweeting now.

...signed up for a Twitter account yesterday, and his followers have grown exponentially. By late Tuesday, he had attracted 360,000 fans. By noon, he had racked up more than 830,000. By 1 p.m., he'd attracted 30,000 more -- 8 new followers a second -- despite the news that he'd threatened to cut his estranged wife's head off.

Fish is right; we lurves our train wrecks.

[Borborygmi]

Blown opportunity to name his Twitter account shitcharliesheensays.

[Fish]

In other news, today Charlie Sheen was arrested for DUI while fleeing Randy Quaid's house on his way to steal Lindsey Lohan from Wesley Snipes.

[rayh]

Now he's had his kids taken away - story.

His ex-wife says - I am very concerned that [Sheen] is currently insane

He says - My fangs are dripping tiger blood.

[puttering]

Originally Posted by Lord Blackmore

One of them is alleged "former" porn star Bree Olson. Not sure about the other one.

I think that was the cute one, but I'm not sure. I may have to do some research to confirm.

[timbicile]

I notice Martin and Emilio have been conspicuously (you no what I mean) invisible.

[rayh]

Originally Posted by timbicile

I notice Martin and Emilio have been conspicuously (you no what I mean) invisible.

What could they say? They may think it better to try and help Charlie in private, or they may have tried and just given up.

[Zombies!]

It's been pointed out in the other thread that Martin has tried to help Charlie, repeatedly and at great length. In his 70s, having his own health problems, with Charlie seemingly innured to all attempts to talk him down, I can see why Martin is just giving up.

[Fish]

Poor Charlie. Imagine if he actually had any tragedies in his life that he'd want to drink away. If this is how high he gets when life is good, my stars what a show we're in for when his father passes away.

[KidVermicious]

What I wanna know is what Gary Busey is gonna do about this.

[Detroit Hoser]

Originally Posted by Zombies!

It's been pointed out in the other thread that Martin has tried to help Charlie, repeatedly and at great length. In his 70s, having his own health problems, with Charlie seemingly innured to all attempts to talk him down, I can see why Martin is just giving up.

I don't believe for a minute that Martin Sheen has given up on his loser son. However, the elder Sheen is a recovering alcoholic himself, and more than likely understands that there is only so much that one can do to help an addict who refuses to admit there's a problem, much less one like Charlie Sheen who has such outrageous grandiose opinions of himself.

There's a saying in AA -- "Let Go, Let God." It doesn't mean you give up, it just means you realize that there are parts of life that aren't in our control. I suspect Martin Sheen knows that he can't change his son's behavior, but he'll do everything a good dad would ever do for his child if Charlie comes to him for help with this. That's not giving up, it's being realistic for the sake of self.

If I were going to expend energy on worrying about some celebrities I'll never meet, I'd be worrying about Martin Sheen in all of this. How heartbreaking for a parent to go through this. (I say this having put my own parents through it more than a decade ago.)

[Zombies!]

Not so much giving up giving up, as not making hugely public gestures about it, because he knows it's not going to help Charlie until he WANTS help.

[Colonel Plink]

Originally Posted by KidVermicious

What I wanna know is what Gary Busey is gonna do about this.

Do?

Shit.

I'd just like to hear what he has to say about it.

[Anacanapuna]

Originally Posted by Colonel Plink

Do?

Shit.

I'd just like to hear what he has to say about it.

I think this thread covers that subject nicely.

[wring]

I appreciate it when celebrities go out of their way like this to give us some defining moments- like "that's Paris Hilton level stupid" or "That's Charlie Sheen-shit crazy"