Day Four -- Monster Manual Mafia - Page 2

PurpleWorm · #51 17th October 2018, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Owlbear

I wanted everyone to claim so that errors might be found. That's a Town thing. A Mod-crafted cover role might well not fit the actualities of gameplay, and reveal itself as false.

If the mod has created fake roles for the Heroes, we won't find an error in the role, but we might find discrepancies in the results of those roles. This is why I'm so suspicious of Gelatinous Cube. He hasn't claimed results. And why I voted Onna, her results did not match what happened.

PurpleWorm · #52 17th October 2018, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

You were on the bottom of the list. If anyone could get through, it would be been you. Did you ever end up using a power on me and were you ever redirected?

No.

Alan_Tudyk · #53 17th October 2018, 08:20 AM

Except I never said "top" and "bottom." I named specific players. I never said how my power worked. I named those players that would not get through, and named the one player that had the best chance.

You are making an argument that I did something then out of information that you did not possess earlier. Its false.

Alan_Tudyk · #54 17th October 2018, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by vichyssoise please

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Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

See, that's not entirely accurate. I said one player, Purple Worm, would be most likely to get through, and I wasn't encouraging anyone to do it. You seem to be misremembering things.

What I remember is you saying Worm had a better chance of breaking through your defenses, and the players at the top of the list did not. You didn't mention the list, but it was obvious what you meant.

I was obvious then that is what I meant, or only obvious now?

Bahamut · #55 17th October 2018, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by vichyssoise please

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Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

See, that's not entirely accurate. I said one player, Purple Worm, would be most likely to get through, and I wasn't encouraging anyone to do it. You seem to be misremembering things.

What I remember is you saying Worm had a better chance of breaking through your defenses, and the players at the top of the list did not. You didn't mention the list, but it was obvious what you meant.

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Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

Except I never said "top" and "bottom." I named specific players. I never said how my power worked. I named those players that would not get through, and named the one player that had the best chance.

You are making an argument that I did something then out of information that you did not possess earlier. Its false.

It wasn't obvious to me that you were talking about the player list.

Pleonast · #56 17th October 2018, 10:18 AM

Confirming no shenanigans occurred in deleted post.

Mad Mage · #57 17th October 2018, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

1) I assumed the heroic nightkill was not a power.
2) I also discouraged the use of powers against me, if you recall.
3) I was trying to see if proposing myself as an alternate wagon would draw any scummy reactions if I wasn't lynched outright.

Also: Does anyone want to confirm my power claim? Were your powers knowingly redirected from me to one of my voters at any point? I have no way of knowing.

And did that gain any scum responses, being second in line. Oh no, it wouldn't have because you never were. You confuse me totally. Noone jumped on a wagon for you and you seem to just be baiting everyone, it might be good play though if you are Town and fishing.

Alan_Tudyk · #58 17th October 2018, 12:03 PM

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1) I assumed the heroic nightkill was not a power.
2) I also discouraged the use of powers against me, if you recall.
3) I was trying to see if proposing myself as an alternate wagon would draw any scummy reactions if I wasn't lynched outright.

Also: Does anyone want to confirm my power claim? Were your powers knowingly redirected from me to one of my voters at any point? I have no way of knowing.

And did that gain any scum responses, being second in line. Oh no, it wouldn't have because you never were. You confuse me totally. Noone jumped on a wagon for you and you seem to just be baiting everyone, it might be good play though if you are Town and fishing.

I was town and fishing.

Why would I intentionally ask to set myself up to be the alternate lynch target when things could have swung to me at any moment?

Why would I discourage power use on me when they wouldn't help town anyway? Scum-me with my powers would have WANTED as many powers coming his way, so as to reduce the chance of powers being directed at buddies to begin with.

Mad Mage · #59 17th October 2018, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

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And did that gain any scum responses, being second in line. Oh no, it wouldn't have because you never were. You confuse me totally. Noone jumped on a wagon for you and you seem to just be baiting everyone, it might be good play though if you are Town and fishing.

I was town and fishing.

Why would I intentionally ask to set myself up to be the alternate lynch target when things could have swung to me at any moment?

Why would I discourage power use on me when they wouldn't help town anyway? Scum-me with my powers would have WANTED as many powers coming his way, so as to reduce the chance of powers being directed at buddies to begin with.

Okay, I think, but scum would also discourage power usage on them? Sorry, it's late and I do think you are Town, at the moment, and why would scum want to catch a scum when they already know the answer to that. Does that make sense?

Alan_Tudyk · #60 17th October 2018, 12:32 PM

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I was town and fishing.

Why would I intentionally ask to set myself up to be the alternate lynch target when things could have swung to me at any moment?

Why would I discourage power use on me when they wouldn't help town anyway? Scum-me with my powers would have WANTED as many powers coming his way, so as to reduce the chance of powers being directed at buddies to begin with.

Okay, I think, but scum would also discourage power usage on them? Sorry, it's late and I do think you are Town, at the moment, and why would scum want to catch a scum when they already know the answer to that. Does that make sense?

No. But I'll think on it some more. You make it sound like your questions come from a towny place, so I'll reassess.

vichyssoise please · #61 17th October 2018, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bahamut

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What I remember is you saying Worm had a better chance of breaking through your defenses, and the players at the top of the list did not. You didn't mention the list, but it was obvious what you meant.

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Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

Except I never said "top" and "bottom." I named specific players. I never said how my power worked. I named those players that would not get through, and named the one player that had the best chance.

You are making an argument that I did something then out of information that you did not possess earlier. Its false.

It wasn't obvious to me that you were talking about the player list.

If you thought to look at the list it was obvious. The three players he said would not get through were on the top, with PWorm at the bottom.

Bahamut · #62 18th October 2018, 06:58 AM

A quick player breakdown, mostly for my own sake:

Did I miss or mix up anything?

Alan_Tudyk · #63 18th October 2018, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by vichyssoise please

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Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

Fair:

Role: Displacer Beast
Side: Monster
Win: when all Heroes are eliminated and at least one Monster remains alive.
Alignment: Neutral
Powers:
1. Displacement: each Night, you automatically use this power, unless you are blocked (you cannot be redirected). Any powers targeting you are listed in the player-list order of the players targeting you. The first power targeting you is redirected to the first player who ended the Day with an active vote on you. The second power is redirected to the second player, etc. If more powers are targeting you than active votes on you, the excess powers will affect you normally. Powers that cannot be redirected will affect you normally, but not take up a slot.

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. The power described is a Scummy one.

. The alignment detective makes no sense for Town so it probably matters to Scum. I think the "no lynch" votes on Day 1 would have certainly had 1 scum on board so as not to group all of the Scum in one anti NL subset. The only "no lynch" survivor left is GC.

for blocking the Town vig. He had no right to do that if Town.

because I have not felt in general agreement with the arguments from this player.

for hiding in the game without making much of a fuss. Scum BZ play.

Probably 5 Scum. So am guessing these five and hope for a quick wrapup of the case.

It's LYLO, so quick is not the way we should be going about anything. I don't know why I didn't see this before.

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Do you suspect me, Owlbear?

The only people I don't suspect at this point are myself, Illithid and Gazebo ('cause the Mod sent me a note saying he was a Monster). 5 out of 8 should be easier.

Did you forget that Illithid was night-killed when Mordenkainen was?

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Originally Posted by Bahamut

A quick player breakdown, mostly for my own sake:

Did I miss or mix up anything?

My current instinct is to vote for VP because not only does he not have a claim, he's voting for me with poor justification regarding the power I have claimed. If VP is scum, his 5 man-list is probably more town than scum, and I know I'm town, he's not voting Mad Mage, which looks like obvious scum to me, and none of his choices for scum are well explained. I shall be looking back to see if there is any progression on these reads, or if they were plucked out of thin air at the time of this post as I suspect they were.

vichyssoise please · #64 18th October 2018, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

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. The power described is a Scummy one.

. The alignment detective makes no sense for Town so it probably matters to Scum. I think the "no lynch" votes on Day 1 would have certainly had 1 scum on board so as not to group all of the Scum in one anti NL subset. The only "no lynch" survivor left is GC.

for blocking the Town vig. He had no right to do that if Town.

because I have not felt in general agreement with the arguments from this player.

for hiding in the game without making much of a fuss. Scum BZ play.

Probably 5 Scum. So am guessing these five and hope for a quick wrapup of the case.

It's LYLO, so quick is not the way we should be going about anything. I don't know why I didn't see this before.

Did you forget that Illithid was night-killed when Mordenkainen was?

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Originally Posted by Bahamut

A quick player breakdown, mostly for my own sake:

Did I miss or mix up anything?

My current instinct is to vote for VP because not only does he not have a claim, he's voting for me with poor justification regarding the power I have claimed. If VP is scum, his 5 man-list is probably more town than scum, and I know I'm town, he's not voting Mad Mage, which looks like obvious scum to me, and none of his choices for scum are well explained. I shall be looking back to see if there is any progression on these reads, or if they were plucked out of thin air at the time of this post as I suspect they were.

Alan_Tudyk, I will make you a side game gambit. I am guessing 5 Scum. When I get home from work later tonight I will post a list of five players I think are most likely to be Scum. Then you post your list. Whichever has the most right at the end of the game will win the side gambit. Agreed?

PurpleWorm · #65 18th October 2018, 09:27 AM

Huh? You think Alan is scum and you're still willing to bet with him? If he's scum, I'm pretty sure he can win the bet.

PurpleWorm · #66 18th October 2018, 09:32 AM

And you're going to post a list when you get home? Does that mean that the 5 people you're voting for are not the 5 you think most likely to be scum?

PurpleWorm · #67 18th October 2018, 09:35 AM

And while I'm at it,

I think his claim of alignment cop with only 1 result that conveniently "clears" Soup smells like a pile of old gym socks.

vichyssoise please · #68 18th October 2018, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by PurpleWorm

And you're going to post a list when you get home? Does that mean that the 5 people you're voting for are not the 5 you think most likely to be scum?

Currently I am only voting for 4. Skim much?

I am tempted to remove Alan_T because he seems to be trying, and Scum are so far ahead they no longer have to try.

How about it Worm? You got a list of 5? I dare you.

Alan_Tudyk · #69 18th October 2018, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by vichyssoise please

Alan_Tudyk, I will make you a side game gambit. I am guessing 5 Scum. When I get home from work later tonight I will post a list of five players I think are most likely to be Scum. Then you post your list. Whichever has the most right at the end of the game will win the side gambit. Agreed?

What exactly is the purpose of the gambit? The only way I think someone proposes this is if the person proposing this thinks the challenged is town. Scum would know I'm town, so if you are town, why are you still voting me?

vichyssoise please · #70 18th October 2018, 08:53 PM

First,

vichyssoise please · #71 18th October 2018, 09:32 PM

For low Scum hunting and being generally uninvolved. I think Scum have been operating on the periphery, allowing Town to post and go after each other. Their reactive vote on me is a good example. So easy. Just show up, find something to vote against, and then slink back into the Earth.

For having what seems to be a useless power...and being so friggin' unconcerned about it. Also, I don't think every Scum would avoid the "No lynch" vote. Scum do not like to clump together. All other "no lynch" supporters from the final vote Day 1 have been shown to be Town.

Because something has seemed off since this player joined the game. I feel like the posts have been pretending to analyze and find Scum.

*****

Now it gets harder.

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because of periphery play. I have not gotten a Town feel for this player. I realize this is weak but there it is.

because two involved players I think are probably Town are voting for this player, and I should give them some credence.

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I am very conflicted about Owlbear. My gut says Monster. But the blocking of FI is very problematic as is the non-protection of Mord. Still there is the support for mass claim, which I think is Towny. I could be persuaded here and if Owlbear is Scum then

the Gazebo could also be Scum. Other than Owlbear's mod note saying Gazebo is Monster, this player has not been involved. Scum Owlbear would love to "clear" a Scum partner in this manner. But maybe this is all too paranoid conspiracy theory.

I feel like Bahamut, Erinyes, and now Alan_T have all been playing and trying. If any of these turn out to be Scum I will concede a deserved "well played" to them no matter how the game turns out.

vichyssoise please · #72 18th October 2018, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan_Tudyk

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Originally Posted by vichyssoise please

Alan_Tudyk, I will make you a side game gambit. I am guessing 5 Scum. When I get home from work later tonight I will post a list of five players I think are most likely to be Scum. Then you post your list. Whichever has the most right at the end of the game will win the side gambit. Agreed?

What exactly is the purpose of the gambit? The only way I think someone proposes this is if the person proposing this thinks the challenged is town. Scum would know I'm town, so if you are town, why are you still voting me?

The gambit arose because you said my scum list was more Town than Scum and it ticked me off.

Town doesn't just have to be right toNight. Town has to be right over and over again now to somehow win this game. It's time now to call out players. It is time to try and see where we are at and what players think. If you are Town and have not tried your best then there is still a chance to make a showing. Think I am Scum and my cases are weak? Fair enough. Who else do you think and why? Perhaps we can find some consensus.

Eileen Dover · #73 19th October 2018, 12:53 AM

Sorry I've been absent for a couple of days, life getting in the way. I feel like some of us have given up (especially those who are absent) and are just wanting the game to end. Even some who have posted votes seem a bit despairing. I haven't got time right now to analyse and vote, but I will do so well in advance of end of Day, for now I just wanted to say that I have NOT given up hope and I still believe we can pull this one out of the bag. Come on, people, let's get some positivity in the room!

Alan_Tudyk · #74 19th October 2018, 04:10 AM

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What exactly is the purpose of the gambit? The only way I think someone proposes this is if the person proposing this thinks the challenged is town. Scum would know I'm town, so if you are town, why are you still voting me?

The gambit arose because you said my scum list was more Town than Scum and it ticked me off.

Town doesn't just have to be right toNight. Town has to be right over and over again now to somehow win this game. It's time now to call out players. It is time to try and see where we are at and what players think. If you are Town and have not tried your best then there is still a chance to make a showing. Think I am Scum and my cases are weak? Fair enough. Who else do you think and why? Perhaps we can find some consensus.

Well, first off, I like your scum list a lot better now. I think Owlbear is in the mix of reasonable doubt, so he could be scum, but if he's replacing anyone in your list, it's purple worm OR Eileen Dover. I have less confidence in their scumminess than I do for Ogre Jelly, Mad Mage, and Gelatinous Cube.
So while I'm thinking on it:

Alan_Tudyk · #75 19th October 2018, 06:15 AM

Am I alone in thinking we need another filibuster? We have 4 players that haven't voted, and 1 player that has unvoted without a replacement vote.

Owlbear · #76 19th October 2018, 06:16 AM

I thank you all for your confidence in my ineptitude.

Because his "know alignment" power only makes sense to me if he's a Scum Investigator who is working under a fake cover, but who actually gets more information than just alignment.

vichyssoise please · #77 19th October 2018, 06:17 AM

Owlbear · #78 19th October 2018, 06:27 AM

It couldn't hurt.

Alan_Tudyk · #79 19th October 2018, 07:45 AM

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I thank you all for your confidence in my ineptitude.

Because his "know alignment" power only makes sense to me if he's a Scum Investigator who is working under a fake cover, but who actually gets more information than just alignment.

I also thought for a second about what monsters would know alignment, and a Gelatinous Cube isn't one of them. Then I realized he hadn't actually claimed any monster, let alone Gelatinous Cube. But usually Know Alignment and alignment detection is a hero type ability. And as much as I think on it, I can't remember a monster that has know alignment or an equivalent as a power.

Pleonast · #80 19th October 2018, 07:47 AM

I've just been "volunteered" to for some last-minute baby-sitting at work, so I'll probably won't be able to make any updates to vote counts for a while. If there's six votes on filibuster, consider it automatic. If there's not, be patient.

Owlbear · #81 19th October 2018, 08:23 AM

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I thank you all for your confidence in my ineptitude.

Because his "know alignment" power only makes sense to me if he's a Scum Investigator who is working under a fake cover, but who actually gets more information than just alignment.

I also thought for a second about what monsters would know alignment, and a Gelatinous Cube isn't one of them. Then I realized he hadn't actually claimed any monster, let alone Gelatinous Cube. But usually Know Alignment and alignment detection is a hero type ability. And as much as I think on it, I can't remember a monster that has know alignment or an equivalent as a power.

Maybe a Rakshasa? I'd have to dig out my manual to know for sure.

Bahamut · #82 19th October 2018, 08:51 AM

Most of the Big LG/CEs might have that kind of power, but I think some of the dumber animals can also sniff out alignment. I think.

Owlbear · #83 19th October 2018, 09:16 AM

Bahamut, will you vote for filibuster?

Bahamut · #84 19th October 2018, 09:17 AM

Gelatinous Cube · #85 19th October 2018, 09:47 AM

Because soup is voting for them and killing me would be bad even though I haven't been playing because I suck.

Owlbear · #86 19th October 2018, 09:52 AM

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Because soup is voting for them and killing me would be bad even though I haven't been playing because I suck.

That's no excuse. I've been playing and I suck worse.

Owlbear · #87 19th October 2018, 09:56 AM

O quiverous one, care to vote for filibuster?

Gelatinous Cube · #88 19th October 2018, 10:03 AM

*Cube quivers*

*Cube quivers*

*Cube quivers...and a thick dark smoke begins to fill the room. The shadow of the cube the slowly transmogrifies in a a huge, humanoid form. A hulking muscular bear with horns and goat legs and what appears to be an elongated lute. The body of the lute is a V shape. Strumming the strings creates a massive sound that vibrates everyone to their very souls! A raucous vibration that makes you question your senses, morals, and faith!*

Let the rock off begin! Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha!
I'm the devil, I love metal!
Check this riff, it's fucking tasty
I'm the devil, I can do what I want,
Whatever I got I'm gonna flaunt,
There's never been a rock off that I've ever lost
I can't wait to take Kage back to hell
I'm gonna fill him with my hot demon gel
I'll make him squeal like my scarlet pimpernel

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Originally Posted by Pleonast

Role: Devil
Side: Monster
Win: when all Heroes are eliminated and at least one Monster remains alive.
Alignment: Chaotic Evil
Powers:
1. Know Alignment: each Night you may target another player. You will learn the alignment of that player, unless they are protected, or you are blocked or redirected. Note that alignment is not the same as side.

Do with that what you will...

Owlbear · #89 19th October 2018, 10:07 AM

So... you're quivering but you're tenacious? Nice.

Owlbear · #90 19th October 2018, 10:08 AM

Less than an hour to go, and we need 2 votes to filibuster.

Owlbear · #91 19th October 2018, 10:09 AM

GC, it looks like a straightforward claim, but why didn't you post it earlier?

Gelatinous Cube · #92 19th October 2018, 10:12 AM

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GC, it looks like a straightforward claim, but why didn't you post it earlier?

I haven't been around to do so. I'm so far behind that I have no idea what is going on except for the vote record.

Owlbear · #93 19th October 2018, 10:29 AM

Half an hour to go. At this point we need one more filibuster vote. If not, Ogre Jelly is lynched.

Owlbear · #94 19th October 2018, 10:53 AM

It looks like Ogre Jelly (if not lynched) and Gazebo won't be using their Night powers.

Owlbear · #95 19th October 2018, 10:54 AM

Give a hoot, be astute! Screeeech!

Mad Mage · #96 19th October 2018, 10:57 AM

Erinyes · #97 19th October 2018, 10:59 AM

Sorry for the late post. I’m in a car on the interstate and lost a couple of drafts due to lost connections.

for reasons detailed by others

Eileen Dover · #98 19th October 2018, 10:59 AM

So sorry guys, I thought I'd have a chance to be back sooner but life got in the way.

Ogre Jelly · #99 19th October 2018, 10:59 AM

It's either him or me.

Owlbear · #**100** 19th October 2018, 11:00 AM