Vegas Mafia Day One

[Archangel]

Meeko, you're voting me why? What exactly has gotten old already?

[Archangel]

@Kaiveran thank you for your detailed explanation. I should have been able to figure this out from your multiquotes (when I went back to look at the post I can see them, but I'm on a desktop now and I didn't notice them on my phone).

But I'm good with you now.

At everyone else except Meeko but especially Vanta, I was asking this question because he (Kaiveran) was continuing to respond to the question "do I know you" after I already posted my explanation, which to me is a scum tell. It's a way to discuss things and look productive but be noncommital.

But now that he's explained his process to me I think he just answered the question when he saw it, and then got to my response later.

@Meeko my process is my process and you are jumping to incorrect or malicious conclusions. I'm allowed to ask questions, and as Kaiveran is a player in this game, he is not off-limits from suspicion.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Colby11

This combined with the vote from earlier (which seems like a joke vote) screams that Vanta is blending in by announcing their decisions? Something smells fishy…
vote] Vote Vanta Black [/vote]

Lol, if i ever want to be outstanding in a field there had better be a field nearby that I can go out and stand in. I hope you warmed up good before this stretch.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

What is meant by "the current state" and how would that lead you to post more than you usually would?

The current state--we're kind of not very active at the moment, summer lassitude or mafia fatigue or I don't know. It would lead me to post LESS. Because I get kind of alarmed when (a) I'm the post leader, and (b) I have the last post and it sits there for 12 hours with no one else coming in.

Archangel didn't ask me, but I do all the things depending. Usually I start at a post where I left off before and answer it, and then I'm at the end so I read the rest of them (and answer them) backwards. I only know this because I just did it that way...I never thought about it before. So it still seems like a strange question to me.

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

The current state--we're kind of not very active at the moment, summer lassitude or mafia fatigue or I don't know. It would lead me to post LESS. Because I get kind of alarmed when (a) I'm the post leader, and (b) I have the last post and it sits there for 12 hours with no one else coming in.

Archangel didn't ask me, but I do all the things depending. Usually I start at a post where I left off before and answer it, and then I'm at the end so I read the rest of them (and answer them) backwards. I only know this because I just did it that way...I never thought about it before. So it still seems like a strange question to me.

I was, no joke, going to suggest a 3 month break for all of us over the summer. Like, compulsory. Simply agree to it and possibly even set up a 3 month email reminder for when we resume. Breath of fresh air?

Is there any interest in a site-wide break after this game? I could setup some kind of reminder for us to resume and even offer to mod the return game.

It might give us some energy?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

You appear to be hung up on Precambrian's punctuation. Can you explain what about the punctuation is scummy?

It’s just humor, or attempts at humor, conversation starters.
Absolutely nothing is scummy about the punctuation, I used to be a teacher so seeing things like this rub me the wrong way, like nails on a blackboard. I just made comment in an early post that the scummiest thing so far was PCM’s extra spaces before commas and periods. PCM has since posted just twice, once to reply to my post - in which he asked if my nitpicking his punctuation was related to his nitpicking a role PM in a previous game (it wasn’t), and once to explain his punctuation to TexCat (phone, autocorrect, not paying attention). So when Archangel placed the naked vote, and since PCM hadn’t given us much to go on, I asked if the punctuation played a role in her vote reasoning. Now if someone knows an actual punctuation tell in mafia, I’d love to hear it! I can possibly imagine a self-aware scum who edits their post multiple times before posting, worrying about how it will be read by others, hesitating, removing or changing the text but leaving orphaned spaces without noticing…

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I was, no joke, going to suggest a 3 month break for all of us over the summer. Like, compulsory. Simply agree to it and possibly even set up a 3 month email reminder for when we resume. Breath of fresh air?

Is there any interest in a site-wide break after this game? I could setup some kind of reminder for us to resume and even offer to mod the return game.

It might give us some energy?

If anything I tend to have more time in summer to play than the rest of the year, YMMV.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Archangel

@Kaiveran thank you for your detailed explanation. I should have been able to figure this out from your multiquotes (when I went back to look at the post I can see them, but I'm on a desktop now and I didn't notice them on my phone).

But I'm good with you now.

At everyone else except Meeko but especially Vanta, I was asking this question because he (Kaiveran) was continuing to respond to the question "do I know you" after I already posted my explanation, which to me is a scum tell. It's a way to discuss things and look productive but be noncommital.

Could you highlight where he did this? Because I only see one response addressing this from Kaiveran, not a "continuing" response.

But now that he's explained his process to me I think he just answered the question when he saw it, and then got to my response later.

@Meeko my process is my process and you are jumping to incorrect or malicious conclusions. I'm allowed to ask questions, and as Kaiveran is a player in this game, he is not off-limits from suspicion.

Must add that I was kinda tempted to vote Kaiveran but (a) then I forgot why and now I don't see it and (2) it's their first game here so first-day pass.

(even though I'm still suspicious)

[Archangel]

By continuing I mean specifically that he explained he likes to use multi quote. To use multi quote you compose a post but you continue to read and you don’t finish the post/publish it until the end. What I mean is that he answered my question when he quoted me but it’s possible/likely that he continued to read the thread and respond and then just posted the entire thing without going back and editing it.

[Precambrianmollusc]

I am here, I am not being a ghost and I will read through and catch up this evening .
I have followed through the first page, not sure why Maha was getting voted for

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

Evening all.

Never been to Las Vegas before. I'll be looking over next year's GP course if you want to talk.

*Goes on a stroll down the Strip.*

Hope you find your way back to the casino…

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

At least I was hoping everyone would've posted by the time I got back. Oh well, still got plenty of time, and I appreciate the easy catch-up.

When our remaining two (Lightfoot and Clement) arrive and get caught up themselves, I have a small request to make of everyone.

Could you please share with the class just one read, town or scum (no nulls), with whatever reasoning you can scrounge up.

The quality or strength of this read doesn't matter. It could be a brain read, a gut read, or even a wild guess. Literally. Don't give a single shit about how flimsy, specious or stupid your argument looks.

Just plunk down your bets. Say how you feel about a certain player, and explain why. If you were here and already explained it, quote or link the post you explained it in. If someone else explained it and you're just sheeping their suspicion/vote, point to that post and say why you find it convincing. Again, no wrong answers for that.

Just get something out there, everybody. Once everyone has that, everyone has a position on something that other players can agree or disagree with. And once we agree or disagree with other players on something, we can investigate those disagreements for further evidence on players' alignments. And with that, we can progress past the "noise" stage of D1 into something at least marginally productive.

I'll start: Meeko is town, for reasons I went into in my post immediately above.

How many players shared a read? Any thoughts on those reads? Was the exercise insightful?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Precambrianmollusc

I am here, I am not being a ghost and I will read through and catch up this evening .
I have followed through the first page, not sure why Maha was getting voted for

Well, voted and then unvoted in the same post, voted, voted and then unvoted again a couple of posts later, adds up to a single vote.
For the unforced VT claim, for stating the obvious in his first post about being in the dark, for asking about hidden mechanics his second post. Or maybe a mix of all the above.

Originally Posted by TexCat

I'm inclined to agree with this.

SilverJan already asked; but maybe a second attempt will help: which part are you inclined to agree with? That a scum would say this, or that Mahaloth’s telling the truth? I can guess the answer but still.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by TexCat

Am I just totally missing something? I don't understand this at all.

On re-read, this actually pings me, I don’t think there was anything confusing about it, it was just fluff, but still, it’s not as if it could ever be considered something important or relevant to the game. I don’t believe you were confused at all.

Would not object to a gnarly, Mordekainen, Colby or PCM lynch at this time.

[LightFoot]

Call it 'gut' call it a sniggle but I am gong to

GC may have stumbled onto some thing and I am going to take a closer look at the context.

[guiri]

His only post was #13, how much context do you need to take a closer look at?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by guiri

His only post was #13, how much context do you need to take a closer look at?

I wondered what you were on about but I misremembered a post that I had thought Charlie made. It was Colby11 I was referring to his Post here

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Meeko

This was an (apparent) failed joke, at my expense, I know nothing about this "pacing". Obviously.

No I recognized it as a joke. My response was also a joke. "Directed procrastination" is like almost an oxymoron. Unless it is a real thing; I want to make it a real thing!

[Mahaloth]

I'm voting Texcat for just agreeing with the vote on my and then voting it.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Meeko, you're voting me why? What exactly has gotten old already?

I over-explained it, as it is.

Relative to what it is, what it was, and what it sought to ascertain, it took up too much of the game. Scum cover would not be too far off.

You ask / state further that Kaiverian is not "" off limits "" . I was not trying to say that he was.

However, you are going into the past, for a trivial amount of "" data "", that the rest of us, probably won't use.

Why go into the past at all, unless it informs a grudge?

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I was, no joke, going to suggest a 3 month break for all of us over the summer. Like, compulsory. Simply agree to it and possibly even set up a 3 month email reminder for when we resume. Breath of fresh air?

I would, if I could get a straightjacket and a rubber room.


You only think I'm joking.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

No I recognized it as a joke. My response was also a joke. "Directed procrastination" is like almost an oxymoron. Unless it is a real thing; I want to make it a real thing!

"I was not stalling, it was a strategic delay!" - Worf

[Vanta Black]

Wow, could it be TexCat and Archangel again, for two games in a row? That would be statistically unlikely but really not all that improbable. Kind of how I'm leaning though.

[guiri]

I know D1 can be slow and a slog but 8 players have the same of fewer posts than the moderator, and they can’t all be scum. We have 12 hours left in the Day, please get your thoughts out there. There are fewer than 150 posts to read…

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Meeko

I over-explained it, as it is.

Relative to what it is, what it was, and what it sought to ascertain, it took up too much of the game. Scum cover would not be too far off.

You ask / state further that Kaiverian is not "" off limits "" . I was not trying to say that he was.

However, you are going into the past, for a trivial amount of "" data "", that the rest of us, probably won't use.

Why go into the past at all, unless it informs a grudge?

1. I don’t know Kaiveran so I don’t have a grudge against him.

2. I asked him if I knew him because I thought it was a sock account, and meta is a large part of my play style. A lot of people don’t like meta but I do and nevertheless I am town 3/4 of the time and am in this game.

3. My question ended up making me feel better about him, not vote him, so you are either scum or you need to listen better.

3. “The rest of us won’t use” is completely irrelevant. I was suspicious of the fact that he was continuing to talk about my question. I needed to know his process to know why he was doing this. His answer gave me a reason I’m satisfied with.

You’re voting me either because I dared to question your friend, or because you’re scum.

[guiri]

I’m leaning towards the former myself.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Wow, could it be TexCat and Archangel again, for two games in a row? That would be statistically unlikely but really not all that improbable. Kind of how I'm leaning though.

Please explain. I’ve answered all your questions fully and you haven’t responded to my responses but post this? Explain in detail.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by guiri

I’m leaning towards the former myself.

This is in reference to why Meeko is voting me? If so I’m leaning towards that too, which is why I’m trying to explain in detail.

[Archangel]

1. LightFoot: not enough data
2. Mahaloth: probably town
3. Silverjan: not enough data
4. Precambrianmollusc: I’m voting him, more about this in a separate post
5. Guiri: probably town
6. Mordenkainen: not enough data
8. Colby11: not enough data
9. Meeko: probably town
10. TexCat: neutral (more on TexCat in a bit, it may be a long bit because I have to get to work first
11. Vanta Black: I really don’t like that post about me and TexCat, more in the same bit.
12. Gnarlycharlie: not enough data.
13. Kaiverian: neutral (more on this later)
14. Bashorian Clement: leaning town

I will follow up on this in about 2 hours, I moved and my commute is brutal.

[Archangel]

Precambrianmollusc:

1. His response to Guiri about the punctuation seemed defensive to me (the punctuation itself didn’t bother me)
2. He appeared to be lurking, in the previous game he was thread leader as town.
3. He posted the equivalent of he had to catch up and he’ll be back later. *

Point in his favor though: he didn’t pop up immediately when I voted him, so #2 may not be valid.

*Someone on MU once swore that posting that you’re catching up and saying specifically what page you’re on while doing it is a strong scum tell. I find that interesting but don’t know if I believe it, so I’m noting this here for when we have PCM’s flip because I’m interested in the tell.

[Archangel]

Numbering on my list to Meeko is incorrect because I added a point in between and forgot to change one of the #s.

[guiri]

I can see the PCM over-defensiveness.

Not convinced by the page number while catching up, I’ve done it myself as a way to indicate I may have missed responses to questions I’m asking, but curious to see also.

Also curious to see your thoughts on TexCat and Kaiverian when you get back.

[guiri]

Latest vote count

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Texcat (2): guiri (113), Mahaloth (118)
Archangel (2): guiri (23)[40], Meeko (100), Vanta Black (108)
Vanta Black (2): Colby11 (72), LightFoot (114)
Guiri (1): gnarlycharlie (13)
Precambrianmollusc (1): Archangel (89)
Mahaloth (1): Colby11 (28)[28], TexCat (35), Meeko (45)[75]
Meeko (0): Vanta Black (37)[108]

[Mordenkainen]

Hi all. Just got back from my stroll. I know the course was less than 4 miles;I got lost.

@Bashorian; Las Vegas and Liberty Media came to a deal to run a Grand Prix here from next year.

Now doing a reread. I'll respond as I go.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Hello, everyone, I am here and have my Vanilla Town role PM. In the dark, but happy to point at people and vote.

This is suboptimal play for Town. If Maha is Town, he's reduced the pool of Townies the Mafia have to shoot in to find any power roles. If he's not Town, he will have non-Town motivations. Not enough to vote Maha just on its own.

More as I go.

[Mordenkainen]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

Rrawrf. Was worried I'd spent too much time away and was expecting a small novella with multiple subplots to pore through by now. Maybe I've just been spending too much time with no-lifers

Hey, I never said I was gonna give out good advice.



<plus the little rigmarole after it, of course>

Like, despite how wrong-headed this is I kinda really like it?

From his very first post of the game, charlie is not only trying to get a first guess out there pronto, but basing it specifically on digging for instances of people having TMI. That's gotta be worth some town points.



New to this site, but very not new to the game.

If you go/went by a very similar name on MafiaScum (or Mafia Universe, after about 2016) you might have seen me around. I use this PFP a lot.





Now in isolation, I would not read much into this first post of Mahaloth's (as some others seem to be doing.) I know/knew a lot of people and communities who just always claimed VT in their OP, even though it's pointless and arguably suboptimal. That's just some people's style.

However, it's the next post in conjunction with it that gives me pause. I'm not experienced with this forum in particular, but normally, wouldn't the host have made clear if such a consequential mechanic exists in the rules thread? If you're happy to be a VT in the dark, why would you be concerned about gaining advantages through minigames?

I might just be separating my own peculiar molehill from the pack and calling it Mount Everest, but still, this combo reads a tad bit wolfy.



See, this raccoon-ish person gets it.



Call this mutually-assured pocketing if you must, but Meeko can also be town.

With this post, they detect the conversation is going in a direction that's likely to be unproductive and irrelevant to the actual game, and tries to steer it away from that dead end, despite having no alternatives to offer.

I think if you're a wolf, and especially if it's this early in Day 1, you hang back and don't call attention to this issue, b/c if town wastes their time and energy going down this rabbit hole rather than trying to solve more people on actual in-game stuff, that's a net advantage and a strong start for wuffs.

Instead, Meeko seems to be interested in a strong start for town.

That Harvey Wallbanger description is correct, and you may be disappointed to know that concoction sounds absolutely fantastic to my fluffy ears. At least if it's proper sloe gin – none of that racecar-red, NGS-based cough syrup.

There's a lot of stuff in this post. Analysis of first impressions of three players, a reply to Archangel's query (which I read the same way as Kaiveren did - or at least, as they replied to), plus a joke and an oog remark.

All in all a positive start to their game here. This (and the next post) gave me an overall townie feel.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Archangel

You’re voting me either because I dared to question your friend, or because you’re scum.

I'm voting you for the .... Policy of it all. Principle. It took up too much space in the game.

But, sure, I get into it deeper here...

I'm not sure that I like the false choice / dichotomy / equivalency this makes it.


Can I not chose to not vote Kaiverian, because I think they are town?

Are the other 13 players off limits for me?

Or has the increased snuggling of us, Kaiverian and Meeko, already started here?

In short, you had a "bone" here, and you held on it to it for too long, even if you already dropped it.

I would know a thing or two about bones.

You have your play style that you are clinging to, and well, if bones are mine, the fact that you had a bone here, itself, becomes mine.

I'm not sure how to better phrase that, but it becomes " Inception " ish after a while.

As an aside, I guess my affinity for "" bones "" kinda exactly opposes Meta. That I go for unique things, that are unique to certain games.

Frankly, this probably gets at "Meta" itself, as in why we oppose each other.

Not sure where to put that, at the moment. Needs to be said, however.

Mine is a good vote, especially for Day 1.

[Silverjan]

He still hasn't said anything about his vote on guiri. I really think gnarly hasn't got a Town PM or "forces" might have jumped out at him.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Archangel

Numbering on my list to Meeko is incorrect because I added a point in between and forgot to change one of the #s.

#7 might be unlucky for you.

I was going to say too that posting that you are catching up and then not saying anything about what you've caught up on is a scum tell, the same as rereading and not commenting.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Archangel

No, I am getting at something.

I’ll share it after I get his answer.

Now you have me curious, have you picked up on anything?

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Meeko

I mean, if I could "package" what I want to say, in an easy to digest package, it would come at a great cost.

The cost of being able to find the nuggets in the first place.

I tell my co-workers, when I can tell that they have had enough of me for the day ::

"See, that's the thing, you get to go home, and get away from me, I'm stuck with me, 24/7 "

----



This is .... has gotten old already.


I mean, It's a lot of work for like, half a vote. You will find your information, or you won't, and that causes you to vote Kaiverian, or not. This is how I mean "half vote".

We won't be able to "access" that information that you get in way shape or form. And, not that you would, but, how exactly would anyone else be able to verify that your results are as you intended when you started this ..... I hate to say it, witch hunt, and that those results haven't changed? Opportunist.

You are carving out something that ... no one can follow you on. Undoubtedly, after this, comes us asking you to trust you, win lose or draw on Kai. And it kinda..... It puts you above Kai, and I'm not sure I like that. Just on principle, you should not do that to a newcomer, or any player, frankly.

""
It does help to read Meeko's posts carefully, he often comes up with things that others haven't seen but it is usually hidden inside a long post.
""


Well, that's interesting, because, I mean, I started off this post with that in my head, and I wanted to respond, obviously. I also wanted to put down a vote on AA, and well, the two merged here, and For The Record, I did .... Hopefully my reasoning for voting is clear. I am so close to saying that I feel like it is my clearest vote rationale post ever.

I'm pleased to say that I only had to read that post twice but I got it, I now want AA to explain what kind of knowledge she would gain from Kaiverian's answer that could help.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Archangel

@Kaiveran thank you for your detailed explanation. I should have been able to figure this out from your multiquotes (when I went back to look at the post I can see them, but I'm on a desktop now and I didn't notice them on my phone).

But I'm good with you now.

At everyone else except Meeko but especially Vanta, I was asking this question because he (Kaiveran) was continuing to respond to the question "do I know you" after I already posted my explanation, which to me is a scum tell. It's a way to discuss things and look productive but be noncommital.

But now that he's explained his process to me I think he just answered the question when he saw it, and then got to my response later.

@Meeko my process is my process and you are jumping to incorrect or malicious conclusions. I'm allowed to ask questions, and as Kaiveran is a player in this game, he is not off-limits from suspicion.

Now I see what you wanted, this is what happens when I just jump to the end. What do you think of gnarly?

[Mordenkainen]

Originally Posted by Meeko

I'm voting you for the .... Policy of it all. Principle. It took up too much space in the

(snip)

Mine is a good vote, especially for Day 1.

I disagree.

Archangel did not go after Kaiveren like a dog worrying a bone, gnawing at them until they broke. AA had one specific question, raised it, clarified where necessary and, once she received Kaiveren's answer, made her decision on whether she felt Kaiveren's answer sufficed or not.

I won't be voting Kai or AA Today. Maha remains in the possibles camp, as does Meeko, along with the other nine not yet mentioned.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Meeko

I'm voting you for the .... Policy of it all. Principle. It took up too much space in the game.

But, sure, I get into it deeper here...

I'm not sure that I like the false choice / dichotomy / equivalency this makes it.


Can I not chose to not vote Kaiverian, because I think they are town?

Are the other 13 players off limits for me?

Or has the increased snuggling of us, Kaiverian and Meeko, already started here?

In short, you had a "bone" here, and you held on it to it for too long, even if you already dropped it.

I would know a thing or two about bones.

You have your play style that you are clinging to, and well, if bones are mine, the fact that you had a bone here, itself, becomes mine.

I'm not sure how to better phrase that, but it becomes " Inception " ish after a while.

As an aside, I guess my affinity for "" bones "" kinda exactly opposes Meta. That I go for unique things, that are unique to certain games.

Frankly, this probably gets at "Meta" itself, as in why we oppose each other.

Not sure where to put that, at the moment. Needs to be said, however.

Mine is a good vote, especially for Day 1.

Okay. I appreciate your explanation here. You're wrong, it's just my playstyle, but I'm good with you.

[Mordenkainen]

Gnarlycharlie has made one post so far Today. This has been viewed as suspicious because he seems to miss the plural "forces" arrayed against Town.

Well so did I. As soon as I saw it pointed out I realised the implication, but not until then. That's not nearly enough for a vote, and there is nothing else to go on, so Gnarly is a problem for another Day.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

Now I see what you wanted, this is what happens when I just jump to the end. What do you think of gnarly?

I have zero data. I have voted him many times for lurking and it turned out he just didn't have internet connection. So his lack of participation in particular is a null tell, but I'm glad he joined us and I want to give him time because he's a good scum hunter.

I know he made one post, I'm catching up now and have stuff to post from before but then I'll look at his post and see if I get anything from it.

[Archangel]

Okay, on Kaiveran and my "neutral" read:

1. His writing style is one that often pings me, incorrectly. (By which I mean I innately react to that style of writing as scummy and I'm often wrong.) I am working on not reacting to styles so I needed something else to go on.

2. I've already explained why I asked the question about his *posting* method, and his answer satisfied me.

3. So that put him back to neutral.

But

4. I liked Mordenkainen's post, which seems like his (Mordenkainen's) town game, and I think his analysis is good. So unless Mordenkainen and Kaiveran are exactly the scum team, which we need more information to assess, I'm good with Kaiveran right now.

(1-3 was where I was at when I posted from home this morning, but 4 came up after I got to work.)

[Archangel]

And on TexCat:

1. I was giving her a pass because I didn't think scum her would pull the exact same move on town Mahaloth two games in a row.

2. I may be wrong about that. I am remembering a time when I caught a scum tell from our dear and esteemed moderator in the first post. It turned out I was right. He then did it once more, and I pointed out in that game that it had been a scum tell for him. It turned out I was right. He never has done it again.

3. So, it may be a scum tell for TexCat that will cease to be a scum tell now that I've pointed it out.

4. On her question about the lemon and lime or whatever, I think that's a null tell. I think she was just trying to understand the thread and the question could have come from town or scum (or 3P if we have that).

5. So null on TexCat but I wanted to explain my thought process.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie

PM received.

because I missed him and he because he mentions 3rd parties when there's no mention of any in the rules or color.

@Silverjan, so this is Charlie's only post. My memory of his meta is that he very much comes out of the gate with votes, joke or otherwise.

I still think the lack of participation is a null tell.

The putting a reason for voting Guiri and what the reason is...I'm not sure what to make of that. I don't like votes like that in general (by "votes like that" I mean votes where someone votes because someone, by mentioning something that is often in play in our games, supposedly may have TMI), but this may be a playstyle issue.

[Archangel]

Still suspicious of him but his absence at least seems to be real, not lurking.



I'm not scum and I prefer him over TexCat. I don't believe that he thinks the scum team is exactly TexCat and I.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Silverjan

#7 might be unlucky for you.

I was going to say too that posting that you are catching up and then not saying anything about what you've caught up on is a scum tell, the same as rereading and not commenting.

Where is there a 7

I count 5 max

[TexCat]

Originally Posted by guiri

Well, voted and then unvoted in the same post, voted, voted and then unvoted again a couple of posts later, adds up to a single vote.
For the unforced VT claim, for stating the obvious in his first post about being in the dark, for asking about hidden mechanics his second post. Or maybe a mix of all the above.

SilverJan already asked; but maybe a second attempt will help: which part are you inclined to agree with? That a scum would say this, or that Mahaloth’s telling the truth? I can guess the answer but still.

I thought it was obvious that I agreed that it is what scum would say.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Hello, everyone, I am here and have my Vanilla Town role PM. In the dark, but happy to point at people and vote.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Other than being Vegas themed, are there any gambling opportunities in this game? Like, any casino gambling type aspect or just the normal mafia game?

The above 2 posts were made back to back. I didn't like the claim, and the question seemed a little disingenuous. Seemed like scum trying hard to me.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I'm not becoming the Pleonast "post early" guy, though I obviously did that in this game for no solid reason.

I think in the last game where I did it, it was because I used my power Night Zero or Night One and dropped the relevant info right away.

Anyway, if you don't believe me, you can definitely kill me. It's a bad idea, but if you really see nothing else today.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

No reason, just did it. I guess I was being a loose cannon.

And the above two posts re-inforced my view with their defensiveness.