Cheap Beer Mafia -- Day Two

[Plumpudding]

Anyone around?

[guiri]

Me.

[Plumpudding]

At the pub?

[Plumpudding]

And last time the link to the robot ddn't work for me. Oh, and i just remembered, i should maybe bleach votes right?

[guiri]

104 posts parsed, 8 voting actions found.

Cut and paste this into your thread to create a nice pretty vote count:

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Vanta Black (2): guiri (6), Sea Serpent (7)
Guiri (1): Mahaloth (74)
Mahaloth (1): Plumpudding (3), LightFoot (8)[47]
Sea Serpent (1): Vanta Black (76)
Plumpudding (1): LightFoot (47)

If you want, you can paste this as well:

Voting History:
post #3: Plumpudding voted Mahaloth
post #6: guiri voted Vanta Black
post #7: Sea Serpent voted Vanta Black
post #8: LightFoot voted Mahaloth
post #47: LightFoot unvoted Mahaloth
post #47: LightFoot voted Plumpudding
post #74: Mahaloth voted Guiri
post #76: Vanta Black voted Sea Serpent

And here's a direct link to this page:

compute vote count for Day X

[guiri]

Link works now, had to add the url manually

[Plumpudding]

Thanks!

[Plumpudding]

So Kai only one not having a vote down yet? How many have covered? You, me, vanta i think?

[guiri]

You’re my #2 town read. Unless there’s a cop result of town, I’ll join you on Mahaloth toMorrow. Let’s just avoid handing control of toDay’s execution to scum.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Plumpudding

So Kai only one not having a vote down yet? How many have covered? You, me, vanta i think?

That’s what I have:
Vanta -> Plum #76
Plum -> Kaiveran #94
Guiri -> Sea Serpent #97

[Plumpudding]

Yeah, so a bit under three hours eod. It's gonna be interesting to see if people follow through, no one seems to have objected to the idea so far toDay.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by guiri

You’re my #2 town read. Unless there’s a cop result of town, I’ll join you on Mahaloth toMorrow. Let’s just avoid handing control of toDay’s execution to scum.

@Plumpudding this was for you. I know I’m town, I believe you and Sea Serpent are also town, it just takes one scum vote to force a tie, two to save Vanta - one disguised as self-defense.

[Vanta Black]

X	O
O	O	X
X	X	O

[guiri]

X	O	X
O	O	X
X	X	O

Tie…

[Vanta Black]

it wouldn't be disguised as self-defense.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

it wouldn't be disguised as self-defense.

OK, it will clear be a self-preservation vote.

[guiri]

@LightFoot @Kaiveran hope you make it back before EoD

[LightFoot]

With limited participation my attempts for reaction(s) failed.
Maybe next time.



guiri is my Town read and it is too late to run a new gambit



I do want to hear from Kai - they are playing a good game as I see it.

[Vanta Black]

*sniff* my time zone was not included in the OP. Western Central Eastern UK, no Mountain.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by guiri

That’s what I have:
Vanta -> Plum #76
Plum -> Kaiveran #94
Guiri -> Sea Serpent #97

I think Sea Serpent said Kaiveran as well

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

*sniff* my time zone was not included in the OP. Western Central Eastern UK, no Mountain.

I think that’s Thames Valley time, when you’re an hour late for everything.

[LightFoot]

It is unfortunate that one of the actives is on the block, but it would be sad to think that all active players were indeed Town.

It is not impossible that Vanta's partner is one of the nonactives- which would indeed increase the frustration they project.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I think Sea Serpent said Kaiveran as well

You’re correct. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Sea Serpent

We end up going where the players who are playing take us. I have my vote. I have my reason. I'd have Kaiveran as my top Town pick.

First round of bridge in Gatlinburg tonight did not go well, but the 7 mile hike today in the GSNP was beyond awesome. No bears but a posing wild turkey and a bunch of blooming trillium on the Husky Gap trail and nearby Mount Pisgah.

Sea Serpent -> Kaiveran #53
Vanta -> Plum #76
Plum -> Kaiveran #94
Guiri -> Sea Serpent #97
Lightfoot -> Guiri #118

[Plumpudding]

Originally Posted by guiri

@Plumpudding this was for you. I know I’m town, I believe you and Sea Serpent are also town, it just takes one scum vote to force a tie, two to save Vanta - one disguised as self-defense.

I'm around until eod. I'll pay attention. Day shift tomorrow, I'm off to bed only an hour after toDay ends.

[Plumpudding]

So Kai and Maha has not committed.

[Kaiveran]

Ah fuck I thought EoD was on Thursday.

Town peek on guiri

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

So how is cop cover different than just everybody fake-claiming all over the place? I mean if everyone came out with "I'm the cop and XXX is town" it would have the same effect. I am Spartacus style. And it probably would be town because you're a lot more likely to hit town, but I guess it could work if you had a strong scum lean too. Only the real cop would have the correct info, if they got NKed the rest of town could act on that information.

Or even if everyone just put in their top town lean. So it wouldn't work if the cop got a scum result, but it wouldn't anyway--would it?

It seems like it would even work for that SHC thing but I don't know about that because I almost grasp it, but not quite.

not writing any essays rn, obviously

but this is an awful, awful, terrible scummy post.

compare this opening salvo to his last post regarding the Cop cover thing (#27) where it seems I've adequately explained most of it to him...it's a total non-sequitur.

and then we have him pretending to ignore the reasoning for not framing it as a top town

seems like he wanted to generate controversy and/or weaken the plan for its intended purpose but was too afraid to commit to the bit.

[Plumpudding]

Ok, vantas self-prez vote makes most sense on guiri? Considering Maha's level of activity too. But then scum can't avoid Elim if both vanta and Maha is scum since Maha can't move. Thinking out loud here. Anyone else suddenly switching right now would prob invite scrutiny and look scummy. Then there's Kai, incidentally me and sea serpents top town. Interesting i think, bah.

[Plumpudding]

Ok I'll stop pos scumswitch shenz by





Bah

[Plumpudding]

Well more like I'll do what i can.

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

How about town frustration when you're being accused for the wrong reasons?

At least you admit these reasons are bad.

Maybe this was true at one time but I think guiri's request post puts it a little further than that, no?. Furthermore, where are your good reasons for anyone else? b/c on review, since D2 started and you've been the center of attention it's been little more than all Vanta, all the time.

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Follows guiri's vote D1 on me which was bad/wrong to begin with with another bad/wrong vote, no evidence he's looking anywhere else.

D2 still does not look anywhere else and repeats same bad argument.

Part of me thinks these two, guiri and Serpent, could be in it together, a bigger part thinks that is unlikely. Still possible though. Switch to guiri also possible if that picks up steam.

Finally, Sea Serpent was also Pleonast's choice.

Also, Plumpudding is Town.

I have to admit, Sea Serpent's been a bit in my blind spot this game and I had misgivings about his case in the moment for sure.

With that and Pleo's last will, he'll be the first person I grill to a fine anago if you turn up town. Bet.

Originally Posted by LightFoot

He is playing and making sense= Scum
Is that your take?

Like, I know Mahaloth is kind of a fast-and-loose wackadoodle player, but this is a bit much even for him.

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by guiri

Sorry, a poor choice of words, Mahaloth is not weird at all, he’s funny and likeable, but his play can be weird, often very gut-based and low activity, but I don’t recall him being so defeatist and defensive.

This is more what I was trying to get at

Originally Posted by Plumpudding

I read through Vanta's posts again as I said I would.

Okay, it took me a while, but I finally managed to understand and see Pleo's point here. I'm slow sometimes.

This is the main point the case hinges on, right?

Originally Posted by Plumpudding

The others is an asterisk and defensiveness? I think everyone have been in a situation where they defend themselves as town, I have at least. Tbh I've seen a lot of town eliminations because said defensiveness being suspicious. This stuff is null for me. I think I see the above point Pleo made, though.

Originally Posted by Plumpudding

Yeah, I just don't think it's much of a tell either way tbh, so null for me. People hedge all the time for all kinds of reasons. And if I'd been in Vanta's position I'd defend myself too, since I'm town and me going down would bring us closer to losing. I think the stuff around Vanta and the cop cover stuff has taken too much attention away from suspectin' other peeps and stuff toDay. If Vanta goes and is blue, I'm gonna look closer at you and your diving partner, though.

Top town Kaiveran.

At least it's a lot more reasoned out than Mahaloth here.

Even though he later switches votes it seems like the resistance to it was organic and was clearly and succinctly explained here. The counter-casing makes sense as well. (Obviously only ready to join you on one of those suspects, though.)

[Kaiveran]

Votes:

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Vanta Black (4): guiri (6), Sea Serpent (7), LightFoot (118), Plumpudding (129)
Guiri (1): Mahaloth (74)
Sea Serpent (1): Vanta Black (76)
Mahaloth (0): Plumpudding (3)[129], LightFoot (8)[47]
Plumpudding (0): LightFoot (47)[118]

Roundup of Peeks:

Mahaloth: ???
Plumpudding: Kaiveran
Vanta Black: plumpudding?
Sea Serpent: ???
guiri: Sea Serpent
Kaiveran: guiri
LightFoot: ???

@Mahaloth
@Plumpudding
@Vanta Black
@Sea Serpent
@guiri
@LightFoot
Unless y'all have anything important to share, I'm ready to hammer.

[Kaiveran]

Note that you could possibly still drop N1 peeks early N2 if you can't make it here.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

Votes:

Roundup of Peeks:

@Mahaloth
@Plumpudding
@Vanta Black
@Sea Serpent
@guiri
@LightFoot
Unless y'all have anything important to share, I'm ready to hammer.

Sea Serpent and myself both participated- Perhaps it was too subtle?

[LightFoot]

less than 15 minutes left now
unless I am wrong

[guiri]

Nothing to share here.

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Sea Serpent and myself both participated- Perhaps it was too subtle?

Oh yeah, just checked, you on guiri and SS on me

so that only leaves Maha

[Kaiveran]

I hail from Nanfuckit

[guiri]

Bet they’re a Budweiser or Miller Lite…

[Plumpudding]

My knowledge of American beer is lacking!