Misheard Lyrics Mafia Day 3—“’Scuse me while I kiss this guy”

[Vanta Black]

Or conversely, “The sky’s in love with you.”

Not sure this is an actual misheard lyric, or an actual mondegreen, as the typical American pronunciation of the two phrases is, well, pretty much the same. Careful enunciation of the two words requires an audible pause between the two words, which rarely happens.

But that’s not what you’re waiting for. Here’s what you’re waiting for: Raventhief, town 2x watcher, has been spirited away in the night, never to return. Well, not to this game, anyhow. And as an aside, sleuthjuice is whatever you're drinking while playing Mafia, with a possible exception for non-alcoholic beverages such as Mountain Dew.

It is now Day 3. Day 3 will end Sunday, Sep. 17 Monday, Sept. 18, at noon Mountain time. Here is a countdown timer for that date.

Could this be the final countdown? Yes.

Living players:
guiri
Lucifer
Mahaloth
Pleonast
The Mighty Quinn

The departed:
Bashorian Clement d1
Mendie Taoma n1
Raventhief N2

[guiri]

Farewell Raven. So this is mylo? Raven’s demise removes a suspect. Need to consider all possibilities but initially I’m down to Pleo and Mahaloth, have they interacted at all?

Raven would be an interesting choice for a Pleo/Maha team, given she was Pleo’s top scum lead, yet she did have Pleo as a suspect for odd vibes, some wifom.

D1 Pleo lightly defended both absent players D1 (Maha and Lightfoot/me) as if scum, wrath of mod would resolve them D2.

D2#8 Maha suggeated shooting into the pool of Bash voters, prioritising TMQ over Lucifer and Pleo, on whom he had no read.

D2#11 Maha agrees with TMQ that Pleo’s push for a claim was weird, given the public VT PM and closed setup.

D2#17 Pleo explains to Maha the value of claiming results and sharing info before mylo

D2#23 Maha replies, has no issue claiming, but scum are likely to claim VT and then we’ll just be shooting into a barrel of VT claimants

D2#24 Pleo, to Maha, repeats the value of info sharing before yeeting at mylo, includes Maha and me as more likely townies

D2#45 Pleo works through possible pairings, finds Maha/me least likely

D2#46 lists reads, keeps Maha as weak town but downgrades me to weak scum lean

@Pleonast, what happened between d2#45 and d2#46 to alter your reads?

@Mahaloth what are your thoughts on Pleo?

I see no actual suspicion on Pleo from Maha, except bunching him in the Bash voters and voting one of the others. And Pleo sorting Maha as weak town is how I’d treat my partner.

[The Mighty Quinn]

Well, I saw that coming. See you next game and GO TOWN!

Wait. What?

Raventhief?

That's two nightkills in a row that seem to make no sense. It makes me think the scum may be randomizing their kills, and that seems like the sort of thing that only Pleonast would think is a good strategy.

I'm trying to pull myself out of the tunnel and consider the possibility that he might be Town, but there seem to be a lot of things pointing to Pleonast right now.

Pleonast, I didn't want to interfere with your talk with raventhief last Night, but I also find it puzzling how you went from voting me early on Day 1 to describing me as "obvious Town" late on Day 2. Seems like it could be a pocketing attempt. Could you explain exactly what I did that was so darn townie, other than getting a townie misyeeted? I mean, I AM Town, but from anyone else's point of view I don't see why I should be obvious Town.

[The Mighty Quinn]

I think you may be on to something there, guiri. To expand on my previous thought, if Pleo is the player most likely to want to randomize kills, Mahaloth would probably be the player most likely to go along with it.

Also, happy birthday!

[The Mighty Quinn]

Also, need to reread but I know Pleo and some other people said that absent players would be modkilled on D2, when in fact the rules made it clear they wouldn't be modkilled until Day 3. I wrote it off as not reading the rules carefully, but it could have been a deliberate effort to discourage us from voting lurkers on D1.

[raventhief]

oh dear. I seem to be dead.

[The Mighty Quinn]

It's also true that both NKs were power roles, suggesting that the scum may have a role cop. That couldn't account for the N1 kill, though, unless...

Mod, may we assume there were no Night Zero-usable powers in this game, since they weren't mentioned in the rules?

[The Mighty Quinn]

Originally Posted by The Mighty Quinn

Also, need to reread but I know Pleo and some other people said that absent players would be modkilled on D2, when in fact the rules made it clear they wouldn't be modkilled until Day 3. I wrote it off as not reading the rules carefully, but it could have been a deliberate effort to discourage us from voting lurkers on D1.

On reread not really a smoking gun there. Pleonast said on Day One they would be modkilled "Tomorrow", which could be interpreted as "Tomorrow Night", i.e. Night Two. The other players who brought up the potential for modkill were Lucifer and raventhief, but neither of them mentioned a timeframe.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by The Mighty Quinn

It's also true that both NKs were power roles, suggesting that the scum may have a role cop. That couldn't account for the N1 kill, though, unless...

Mod, may we assume there were no Night Zero-usable powers in this game, since they weren't mentioned in the rules?

There were no N0 actions.

[guiri]

Pairings

TMQ-Pleo
D1
D1#14 TMQ strategy talk, reponding to Pleo's game setup/strategy D1#10, does not agree with a mass claim
D1#15 Pleo replies that if claiming is so worthless, no reason not to claim at that point, especially if there's a chance of coordination
D1#18 TMQ asks Pleo to confirm his VT claim
D1#19 Pleo votes TMQ for their unusual interest in the claim
D1#26 TMQ votes Pleo, suspects all VT have a twist, so does not buy Pleo's claim - exchange feels unpaired
D1#31 TMQ concedes he could be wrong, and unvotes Pleo, not willing to claim at this point
D1#34 Pleo explains vote, claim has no value to town, only to scum, and he suspects TMQ is trying to decide whether Pleo is bluffing or not
D1#38 TMQ re-votes Pleo, for defensive reaction to question about not-quite-VT
D1#42 TMQ unvotes Pleo to vote Bash, for voting a non-participant
D1#50 Pleo lists reads, notes TMQ's reaction to claim was scummy but otherwise looks towny, unvotes TMQ to vote Bash
D1#51 Pleo finds himself swayed by TMQ's humor
D2
D2#9 TMQ comes out swinging with a vote on Pleo
D2#10 TMQ does a WoW on Pleo, suspects TMI based on assumption of cop & doc, otherwise NAI and lots of mechanics talk, vote move to Bash was not necessary but possibly easier to defend as scum on town, finds Pleo being swayed by humor unPleo-like, maybe too much of an explanation for a D1 vote, feels good about vote
D2#24 Belives TMQ is town
D2#26 TMQ unvotes Pleo, but still has him as top suspect, vote on Raven feels opportunistic
D2#36 Pleo, to me, finds TMQ's claim believable and therefore now in likely town category
D2#45 Pleo, working through pairings, excludes TMQ entirely
D2#46 Pleo's reads list, TMQ is strong town lean

Lucifer-Pleo
D1
D1#10 Pleo comments on game setup, not directly to Lucifer, but apparently in response to their D1#8
D1#45 Pleo corrects Lucifer, TMQ did not vote Mahaloth, but Bash for voting the non-participant, agrees that lurkers will be mod-killed toMorrow
D1#46 Lucifer realised his mess-up
D1#50 Pleo lists reads, notes Lucifer's dumb mistake but lack of correction
D2
D2#19 Lucifer votes Pleo, for reasons mentioned before which remain unresponded-to, and vote on TMQ and the engagement being more one-sided toDay, which they find odd. Dislikes Pleo's weaksauce vote on Raven, asks Pleo to convince them he's not scum
D2#22 Pleo replies, explaining how mass claim can help Town, will not defend himself, townies need to make their own assessments
D2#24 Pleo thinks Lucifer is most likely scum due to the proposed Pleo vs TMQ dichotomy
D2#33 Lucifer has no idea why Pleo might back off from TMQ
D2#45 Pleo does pairings, assuming Raven is town, believes it's either Lucifier+Mahaloth or Lucifer+me, partly due to Lucifer's dichotomy
D2#46 Pleo's reads list, Lucifer is weak scum lean

TMQ-Lucifer
D1
D1#3, D1#4, D1#5, D1#8, D1#9, D1#13 the weird "I know it was a joke" but asking serious questions anyway - exchange feels unpaired
D1#21 Luficer replies to TMQ's D1#13, is not a sock, no response to the "joking but serious questions"
D1#28 Lucifer replies to TMQ's not-quite-VT claim with "interesting", and asks how confident they feel
D1#29 TMQ suspects Pleo is being defensive and has made a scumslip
D1#30 Lucifer follows up that there's no real reason to believe all VT are not-quite-VT, given the rules, asks for full claim
D1#31 TMQ concedes he could be wrong, and unvotes, not willing to claim at this point
D1#44 Lucifer votes TMQ for flip-flopping on Pleo, voting Maha for non-participation (they did not), looks like scum casting for a vote, jumping on Maha bandwagon, which is not pro-town
D1#46 Lucifer realised his mess-up
D1#49 TMQ quotes Lucifer's vote, agrees with the analysis, opportunistic vote on lurker feels suspicious - Bash' opportunistic vote on a lurker? And which part of the analysis do you agree with, that you were flip-flopping on Pleo or casting about for a townie to vote on?
D1#52 Lucifer unvotes TMQ to vote Bash - still no comment on rest of vote on TMQ
D2
D2#5 Lucifer FOS to Pleo and TMQ, returning to original vote reasoning on TMQ (flip-flopping), and their mutual vote/unvotes, suspects one of the two are scum, leaning Pleo - can you explain what swayed you over the course of the post?
D2#9 TMQ comes out swinging with a vote on Pleo, thinks Lucifer is town for the mistaken identity, and for hard work

TMQ-Maha
D1
D1#42 TMQ votes Bash for voting Maha, a non-participant who often lurks, but not Lightfoot who hasn't shown up either - maybe small defense of Maha here
D2
D2#7 Maha returns, votes TMQ for voting Bash and being wrong
D2#8 Maha suggests voting in the pool of Bash voters, could be persuaded to switch to Pleo (no read) or Lucifer
D2#27 Not convinced of value of claim, agrees with Maha that scum could just claim VT, or PR and just need one misled townie to vote their way and win

Lucifer-Maha
D1#31 Lucifer calls out the two non-participants
D1#44 mentions Maha as target of Bash and TMQ's votes, best to leave to mod to deal with, concedes Maha could be scum, but chances are he's Town

In order, I can see:
Maha-Pleo - plausibly paired as per previous post

Luficer-Maha - plausibly paired, no interactions whatsoever I could see, which I often find indicative of partners keeping out of each other's way entirely, just a call out to non-participants and a leave non-participants for the mod to deal with comment from Lucifer - could be buying time for his teammate

TMQ-Maha - lightly paired, slight defense of Maha from TMQ, counched vote on TMQ from Maha, little more

Lucifer-Pleo - lightly unpaired, slow-motion at each other's neck

TMQ-Pleo - unpaired, niggle about Pleo's backing off and eventual "strong town lean" based primarily on the claim, not that he can't have a change of mind, but not seeing supporting evidence so clearly

TMQ-Lucifer - strongly unpaired, initial exchange felt unpaired, although TMQ never followed up on Lucifer's lack of explanation for the "I know it's a joke but I'm asking serious questions anyway", mistaking TMQ for Bash is highly unpairing, unsure about D2 being swayed from TMQ to Pleo

I note Maha is in my top 3 pairings, being absent D1 and not leaving much of a record could explain some of that.

[Lucifer]

::hammer::

For all the aforementioned reasons. If there's some special way to "hammer" that vote, let me know and I'll update.

[guiri]

I'm good with that.

[guiri]

If he's not scum, we've lost the game, right?

[Lucifer]

Originally Posted by guiri

If he's not scum, we've lost the game, right?

I reckon.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Day 3 will end Sunday, Sep. 17, at noon Mountain time. Here is a countdown timer for that date.

I'm generally unable to participate on weekends, including the upcoming one. Can we postpone end of Day until Monday?

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by guiri

D2#45 Pleo works through possible pairings, finds Maha/me least likely

D2#46 lists reads, keeps Maha as weak town but downgrades me to weak scum lean

Pleonast, what happened between d2#45 and d2#46 to alter your reads?

Nothing. You skipped over that my strongest scum pairing was

Originally Posted by Pleonast

Scum team of guiri and Lucifer: guiri says "right now I have Mahaloth, Pleo and Raven as likely scum, with Lucifer and TMQ as leaning town", which makes this pairing a strong possibility. We see pocketing the obvious Town and then including their partner as Town, which sets up a vote on any of the other three Townies.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by The Mighty Quinn

Pleonast, I didn't want to interfere with your talk with raventhief last Night, but I also find it puzzling how you went from voting me early on Day 1 to describing me as "obvious Town" late on Day 2. Seems like it could be a pocketing attempt. Could you explain exactly what I did that was so darn townie, other than getting a townie misyeeted? I mean, I AM Town, but from anyone else's point of view I don't see why I should be obvious Town.

Answered earlier:

Originally Posted by Pleonast

I'm not sure what you mean by "stop engaging", but because The Mighty Quinn made a specific role claim that feels believable to me, I've put them in the very likely Town category.

Are you retracting the claim, or simply forgot about it?

[Pleonast]

How to claim Scum? This way:

Originally Posted by Lucifer

::hammer::

We have four players without role claims, no more than two who can be Scum, a bad vote will lose the game, and you want to end discussion before hearing from at least two Townies? That's exactly how the previous game resulted in the loss.

I'm still wavering about the second Scum, but this one is obvious.

I don't know if the remaining role claims will change my mind, but I want to hear them before ending discussion.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

We have four players without role claims,

Sorry, I forgot to cross raventhief off my count, there's only three players without role claims.

Neither guiri nor Lucifer are making any claim, which is highly suspicious in itself at this point in the game.

[guiri]

I'm VT, have no useful power, just my vote.

[The Mighty Quinn]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

Answered earlier:

Are you retracting the claim, or simply forgot about it?

No, I somehow missed that on my reread.I still don't find it an especially convincing reason to townread someone; it seems to be setting the bar pretty low. But you did indeed give a reason.

[The Mighty Quinn]

Although he's still my top suspect, I find myself agreeing with Pleonast that there's no reason at all to rush into a hammer here, and I think his request to extend the Day until Monday is entirely reasonable.

[Lucifer]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

How to claim Scum? This way:

We have four players without role claims, no more than two who can be Scum, a bad vote will lose the game, and you want to end discussion before hearing from at least two Townies? That's exactly how the previous game resulted in the loss.

I'm still wavering about the second Scum, but this one is obvious.
[vote]Lucifer[vote]
I don't know if the remaining role claims will change my mind, but I want to hear them before ending discussion.

Rolehunting, Pleo? Hunt no further, you've found a Vanilla Townie.

[Pleonast]

And here is more Scum thinking:

Originally Posted by Lucifer

Rolehunting, Pleo? Hunt no further, you've found a Vanilla Townie.

Scum don't need to role hunt now. They're going to win the game at the end of the Day; there's not going to be a Night Three.

Town need all the information now to make the most informed vote.

Lucifer doesn't want more info (or more discussion) because they don't need it to win.

[Lucifer]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

And here is more Scum thinking:

Scum don't need to role hunt now. They're going to win the game at the end of the Day; there's not going to be a Night Three.

Town need all the information now to make the most informed vote.

Lucifer doesn't want more info (or more discussion) because they don't need it to win.

If I were scum, I'd be looking for a sweep, just for bragging rights.

[guiri]

I don’t believe there is a hammer in this game, I asked before and saw no mention of it in the rules. Still, I can understand why ending on a weekday is preferable, so support that request.

[The Mighty Quinn]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

And here is more Scum thinking:

Scum don't need to role hunt now. They're going to win the game at the end of the Day; there's not going to be a Night Three.

Town need all the information now to make the most informed vote.

Lucifer doesn't want more info (or more discussion) because they don't need it to win.

Well, if you're Town, then, yes, it appears scum almost certainly are going to win the game at the end of Today. But if you're not, then there will be a Night Three, so rolehunting might theoretically be useful to scum. But I agree that it wouldn't be the first thing on my mind if I were scum.

[Vanta Black]

The request for an additional day has been granted. I will update the countdown clock to reflect this.

Also, I added a clarification in the Rules section, which I thought I had also posted here, but apparently not. So here it is.

To clarify, in the event of a question (not that this is going to come up again in this game), a vote for no elimination is a real vote and the wishes of the majority will prevail.

HOWEVER, in the event of a tie between a player and a No-X vote, there will be no tiebreak mechanic; the player will be dunked. In the event of a 3-way tie between 2 players and No-X, the tiebreak will be between the players.

This wasn't made clear in the rules and I can no longer edit them.

Also, a hammer is possible, but this also needs to be agreed upon by the majority of players by adding "Hammer" either to their vote post or in a separate post after they've voted. It should also be blue so that it stands out.

[Mahaloth]

I'm cool with Pleonast or Mighty Quinn.

[Vanta Black]

Day 3 votecount:

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Pleonast (2): Lucifer (11), guiri (12)
Lucifer (1): Pleonast (18)

Not voting: Mahaloth, Pleonast, The Mighty Quinn

NOTE: that deadline for D3 has been moved to Monday.

[guiri]

To prevent sneaky hammering.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

I'm cool with Pleonast or Mighty Quinn.

What do you see in TMQ? Still because they voted Bash, the claim, or something else?

[guiri]

Did I break the thread?

[Mahaloth]

Originally Posted by guiri

What do you see in TMQ? Still because they voted Bash, the claim, or something else?

Just a combination of vibe and him voting Bash.

[The Mighty Quinn]

OK I've reviewed the thread and still thinking Pleonast/Mahaloth. The only thing I noticed that hasn't been commented before is that in Pleo's readslist in D1:50, where his top three scum suspects are all Town, he doesn't even mention Mahaloth at all, so that's one more piece of evidence supporting that pair. As others have mentioned, in D2:46 he has Mahaloth as light Town for no apparent reason.

And Mahaloth is coming in acting about like I'd expect, throwing some shade on me but not trying to defend Pleo.

So yeah, sticking with the Pleo vote. If guiri or Lucifer are scum I think we're probably just losing.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Pleonast (2): Lucifer (11), guiri (12)[31], Mahaloth (34)
Lucifer (1): Pleonast (18)

Not voting: guiri, The Mighty Quinn

[Pleonast]

Well, I guess I should’ve been voted off Day One, just so players could get it out their system. Scum get another game.

[guiri]

Hmm. A whole extra day…



Let’s do this.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Pleonast (3): Lucifer (11), guiri (12)[31], Mahaloth (34), guiri (38)
Lucifer (1): Pleonast (18)

Not voting: The Mighty Quinn

If you want, you can paste this as well: Voting History: post #11: Lucifer voted Pleonast post #12: guiri voted Pleonast post #18: Pleonast voted Lucifer post #31: guiri unvoted Pleonast post #34: Mahaloth voted Pleonast post #38: guiri voted Pleonast

With this vote count Pleonast will be eliminated in a little over an hour.

[The Mighty Quinn]

For the record:



Here's hoping!

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Pleonast (4): Lucifer (11), guiri (12)[31], Mahaloth (34), guiri (38), The Mighty Quinn (40)
Lucifer (1): Pleonast (18)

If you want, you can paste this as well: Voting History: post #11: Lucifer voted Pleonast post #12: guiri voted Pleonast post #18: Pleonast voted Lucifer post #31: guiri unvoted Pleonast post #34: Mahaloth voted Pleonast post #38: guiri voted Pleonast post #40: The Mighty Quinn voted Pleonast

Night 3 here