Greek History Mafia D5

[Visorslash]

BillMc has died. He was Odysseus, town unsuspecting Achilles backup.

SisterCoyote has died, she was Hercules, town Jack of All trades.

4 days for day.

Alive:
5. guiri
8. Lightfoot v2
9. Meeko
12. Sooh
14. Scathach
15. Double A
16. lulz

Dead:
3. Zeener Diode, town 1 shot BP, lynched D1.
4. Lightfoot, town 1 shot vig, lynched D2.
7. Archangel, town bodyguard, killed N2.
1. Mahaloth, mafia mastermind, lynched D3.
6. Sario, town clearer, killed N3.
11. ATPG, mafia recruit, killed N3.
13. idrinkthere4iam, vanilla town, lynched D4.
2. SisterCoyote, town JOAT, killed N4.
10. BillMc, town backup, killed N4.

[Visorslash]

ATTENTION: Due to the death of more than half the game, the game will now go into 4/1 cycles.

4 days for days, 1 day for night.

[guiri]

Farewell Bill and SisC.

Lightfoot's original role was Achilles, Bill must have taken on her role and inherited the unused one-shot vig. That may explain Pizza's death, but then what happened last Night?

Meeko, did you investigate last Night?

[Double A]

what in the hell

[guiri]

All of the lynch runner-ups are still alive: Lulz, Double A, Scathach.

Assuming Pizza was recruited D1/N1, change his red for blue if it was D2/N2 or later...
Day 1
Zeener Diode (6): Meeko (63), Lulz (180), idrinkthere4iam (205), Double A (209), guiri (236), Askthepizzaguy (238)
Lulz (5): guiri (41)[111], LightFoot (58), Mahaloth (65), DizzyLight (133), Zeener Diode (141), BillMc (235)
Double A (2): Archangel (37), Zeener Diode (52)[53], Scáthach (151), guiri (197)[236]
Askthepizzaguy (1): SisterCoyote (25)[49], BillMc (34)[235], SisterCoyote (99)
No vote (2): Sooh, Sario

Day 2
Lightfoot (5): lulz (45)[63], lulz (100), Sooh (124), Askthepizzaguy (136), SisterCoyote (178), guiri (211)
Lulz (3): SisterCoyote (25)[73], DizzyLight (35), LightFoot (38), Mahaloth (39), Archangel (112)[134]
Double A (2): idrinkthere4iam (18), guiri (67)[211], Scáthach (109), SisterCoyote (111)[178]
Scathach (2): Askthepizzaguy (26)[81], Double A (117), Sario (158)
Sooh (1): Meeko (44)
Idrinkthere4iam (1): Archangel (34)[112], Archangel (135)
Archangel (1): BillMc (171)

Day 3
Mahaloth (5): SisterCoyote (167), Double A (179), Askthepizzaguy (189)[199], Sooh (193), guiri (198), Askthepizzaguy (201)
Scathach (2): Askthepizzaguy (3)[189], Sooh (6)[193], Sario (17), SisterCoyote (23)[167], Double A (150)[179], lulz (188), Askthepizzaguy (199)[201]
Askthepizzaguy (2): DizzyLight (110), Scáthach (168)
Light_v2.0 (1): Mahaloth (138)
No vote (3): Meeko, BillMc, Drinkie

Day 4
Idrinkthere4iam (6): Sooh (35), DizzyLight (78)[114], BillMc (89) SisterCoyote (93), Scáthach (103), Double A (116), lulz (118)
Double A (3): idrinkthere4iam (113), LightFoot (114), guiri (123)
No vote (1): Meeko

Alive:
5. guiri
8. Lightfoot v2
9. Meeko - role cop
12. Sooh
14. Scathach - vanilla town - Jason of the Argonauts
15. Double A - vanilla town
16. lulz - vanilla town

Four of the seven remaining players have already claimed, any point in finishing the job now?

[lulz]

Originally Posted by guiri

Farewell Bill and SisC.

Lightfoot's original role was Achilles, Bill must have taken on her role and inherited the unused one-shot vig. That may explain Pizza's death, but then what happened last Night?

Meeko, did you investigate last Night?

Dead:
3. Zeener Diode, town 1 shot BP, lynched D1.
4. Lightfoot, town 1 shot vig, lynched D2.
7. Archangel, town bodyguard, killed N2.
1. Mahaloth, mafia mastermind, lynched D3.
6. Sario, town clearer, killed N3.
11. ATPG, mafia recruit, killed N3.
13. idrinkthere4iam, vanilla town, lynched D4.
2. SisterCoyote, town JOAT, killed N4
10. BillMc, town backup, killed N4.

it looks like bill inherited the BP from zeener. That's why there was no kill.

[lulz]

vote scathach

YOLO

[Scáthach]

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[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

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I guess asking for rationale is out.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by guiri

Farewell Bill and SisC.

Lightfoot's original role was Achilles, Bill must have taken on her role and inherited the unused one-shot vig. That may explain Pizza's death, but then what happened last Night?

Meeko, did you investigate last Night?

I didn't.

What's the point in investigating at Ly/Lo?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by lulz

it looks like bill inherited the BP from zeener. That's why there was no kill.

Bolding mine----How did you make that conclusion?- After reading the post you quoted?

It would sound like You know Bill was a target?

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Meeko

I didn't.

What's the point in investigating at Ly/Lo?

No logic what so ever in this post?

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

No logic what so ever in this post?

Don't insult your post like that.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Bolding mine----How did you make that conclusion?- After reading the post you quoted?

It would sound like You know Bill was a target?

What do you mean? Bill was a backup. Zeener was the first pr that died via lynch. The next night there was a no kill. How do YOU think the no kill happened? It's not like this is some far out conclusion.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

[vote] Meeko [/ote]

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Your motivation towards me earlier pings.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by lulz

What do you mean? Bill was a backup. Zeener was the first pr that died via lynch. The next night there was a no kill. How do YOU think the no kill happened? It's not like this is some far out conclusion.

"BillMc has died. He was Odysseus, town unsuspecting Achilles backup."


LF v1 was Achilles- one shot Vig.


Are you suggesting that Bill was one time BP the first Night- and then became the one shot vig the next?

[Double A]

so is anyone Arkantos

Originally Posted by Meeko

I didn't.

What's the point in investigating at Ly/Lo?

If everyone claimed and you investigated someone who lied, we coulda lynched them.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

"BillMc has died. He was Odysseus, town unsuspecting Achilles backup."


LF v1 was Achilles- one shot Vig.


Are you suggesting that Bill was one time BP the first Night- and then became the one shot vig the next?

No I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm suggesting exactly what I said. BillMc because BP which is why there was a no kill N1. I'm not sure what LFv1 has to do with it.

[Sooh]

Originally Posted by Meeko

I didn't.

What's the point in investigating at Ly/Lo?

What?

What's the point NOT investigating at LYLO? We need information to lynch the right scum.

Am I missing something here?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by lulz

it looks like bill inherited the BP from zeener. That's why there was no kill.

Originally Posted by lulz

What do you mean? Bill was a backup. Zeener was the first pr that died via lynch. The next night there was a no kill. How do YOU think the no kill happened? It's not like this is some far out conclusion.

Originally Posted by lulz

No I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm suggesting exactly what I said. BillMc because BP which is why there was a no kill N1. I'm not sure what LFv1 has to do with it.

Bill's reveal indicates that he only acts as a backup to Achilles, not a universal backup to the first dead power role.

Originally Posted by Visorslash

BillMc has died. He was Odysseus, town unsuspecting Achilles backup.

And Lightfoot was Achilles, thus the deduction that Bill became a one-shot vig:

Originally Posted by Visorslash

Lightfoot was Achilles, town one shot vigilante.

Originally Posted by lulz

YOLO

What does YOLO mean?

Originally Posted by Meeko

I didn't.

What's the point in investigating at Ly/Lo?

You haven't voted for two Days, you've given conflicting information about your role and results, you haven't given a result for two cycles now, and your excuse toDay is that we're at lylo? With two dead scum, how could we possibly be at lylo? It doesn't even make sense as PIS.

Originally Posted by Meeko

Your motivation towards me earlier pings.

You quote Scathach but vote Sooh? I do see your point.

[Visorslash]

How many of you players left are Gloria Gaynor types? I'd bet you all are.

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by Meeko

I guess asking for rationale is out.

Sure -
-you're still alive despite being the only claimed investigative role.
-you left half of town under the impression that you had cleared two people when in fact you hadn't (unless you didn't read the rest of the Day you must have noticed that people misunderstood you)
-even when pressured you remained vague to the point of obscurity (is it just vanilla? All role names? Who knows?)
-role name cop is really more of a scum role imo

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[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by Meeko

I didn't.

What's the point in investigating at Ly/Lo?

And obviously this came after my vote, but you know, seriously??

It's almost like he's afraid to guess someone else's role and be contradicted. Which only makes sense on meeko/double a/lulz scum team which seems too many but there you go.

On the most basic level I cannot imagine a townie not using an investigative power for any other reason than "i couldn't get to the computer that cycle "

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[Sooh]

Your motivation as a whole pings.

[Double A]

I really don't like how Meeko didn't investigate last night.

[guiri]

Not acting last Night makes little sense, most of his actions make little sense, what's the motivation?

If he's scum:
- pretend to be a cop, make very vague claim inviting counterclaim, based on eventual counterclaim, fine-tune claim
- soft-confirm two scumbags, maybe one scum and one townie, maybe two townies but how? Did either Double A or Lulz hint at their role before being asked?
- if no counterclaim, encourage others to push the "cleared" misunderstanding as we saw Meeko, Mahaloth and Pizza all do
- distract the town
- refuse to answer questions or correct misconceptions
- possibly keep a doc or protector busy
- avoid giving results, not even to confirm Scathach's claim, to prevent too many players becoming "cleared"
- blame survival on wifoming scum, maybe he's just a role cop, maybe he's more

If he's town:
- attempt to protect Lulz and Double A who he thinks are town
- make scum wifom over whether he's a full cop, or role cop, or something else
- maybe attract a scum kill, especially if his power was very limited
- not share non-vanilla results to protect power roles and lie about lack of results/no orders
But:
- reduce the pool for the power roles to hide in
- sew confusion
- don't actually confirm anyone
- potentially keep scum goons alive by mistake (which may be why he's still alive)

He didn't seem to try to save Lulz when he came close to being lynched on D2 and was under no pressure to claim on D3, not seeing a townie Meeko doing this.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by lulz

What do you mean? Bill was a backup. Zeener was the first pr that died via lynch. The next night there was a no kill. How do YOU think the no kill happened? It's not like this is some far out conclusion.

Originally Posted by Visorslash

BillMc has died. He was Odysseus, town unsuspecting Achilles backup.

SisterCoyote has died, she was Hercules, town Jack of All trades.

Originally Posted by SisterCoyote

There are other explanations for why there wasn't a scum Kill on either of those nights, Bill.

Pretty Sure SisC prevented a Scum kill one Night- from this and other posts by her- Likely that is why she was targeted last Night.

[Sooh]

Originally Posted by guiri

Not acting last Night makes little sense, most of his actions make little sense, what's the motivation?

If he's scum:
- pretend to be a cop, make very vague claim inviting counterclaim, based on eventual counterclaim, fine-tune claim
- soft-confirm two scumbags, maybe one scum and one townie, maybe two townies but how? Did either Double A or Lulz hint at their role before being asked?
- if no counterclaim, encourage others to push the "cleared" misunderstanding as we saw Meeko, Mahaloth and Pizza all do
- distract the town
- refuse to answer questions or correct misconceptions
- possibly keep a doc or protector busy
- avoid giving results, not even to confirm Scathach's claim, to prevent too many players becoming "cleared"
- blame survival on wifoming scum, maybe he's just a role cop, maybe he's more

If he's town:
- attempt to protect Lulz and Double A who he thinks are town
- make scum wifom over whether he's a full cop, or role cop, or something else
- maybe attract a scum kill, especially if his power was very limited
- not share non-vanilla results to protect power roles and lie about lack of results/no orders
But:
- reduce the pool for the power roles to hide in
- sew confusion
- don't actually confirm anyone
- potentially keep scum goons alive by mistake (which may be why he's still alive)

He didn't seem to try to save Lulz when he came close to being lynched on D2 and was under no pressure to claim on D3, not seeing a townie Meeko doing this.

Basically what I was getting at, yes. Thank you for making it more easily readable.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Pretty Sure SisC prevented a Scum kill one Night- from this and other posts by her- Likely that is why she was targeted last Night.

Ohhhhkay. That makes sense. For some reason it wasn't clicking about backup Achilles. I was getting caught up on backup.

[Meeko]

It's either opportunism or OMGUS against me.

Sure as hell, as I fight one of them, the other will do me in.

I don't think town would be voting me right now. Do with that, as you will.

[Scáthach]

Originally Posted by Meeko

.

I don't think town would be voting me right now. Do with that, as you will.

Ahahahahaha - if you end up flipping town I solemnly swear the words "town would never do that" shall be forever struck out of my mafia vocabulary.

While you're around would you care to proffer a defense to literally any of the things people have said?
- why did you let people believe you'd cleared town?
-why didn't you investigate last night? (You did answer this a bit but why did you think an investigation is worthless if it was lylo)
-why did you vote sooh in a response to my post
-(no one said this yet but) - why didn't you vote yesterday?
-any thoughts as to who the mafia are if you're the loyal townie reluctantly going down?

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[Double A]

Originally Posted by Meeko

It's either opportunism or OMGUS against me.

Sure as hell, as I fight one of them, the other will do me in.

I don't think town would be voting me right now. Do with that, as you will.

There are no other cases, and we have four days. If you're town, you have plenty of time to convince me.

[LightFoot]

I see no way around a Meeko lynch -

Meeko you braided this rope your own self- and you are not trying to unravel it

But let's put another horse in this race



Nothing has changed since yesterday on that player either

[Double A]

[whinnying intensifies]

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Scáthach

Ahahahahaha - if you end up flipping town I solemnly swear the words "town would never do that" shall be forever struck out of my mafia vocabulary.

While you're around would you care to proffer a defense to literally any of the things people have said?
- why did you let people believe you'd cleared town?
-why didn't you investigate last night? (You did answer this a bit but why did you think an investigation is worthless if it was lylo)
-why did you vote sooh in a response to my post
-(no one said this yet but) - why didn't you vote yesterday?
-any thoughts as to who the mafia are if you're the loyal townie reluctantly going down?

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And if you end up flipping town, what would you want me to do? Nevermind, you won't.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by guiri

[vote]Meeko[vote]

Not acting last Night makes little sense, most of his actions make little sense, what's the motivation?


He didn't seem to try to save Lulz when he came close to being lynched on D2 and was under no pressure to claim on D3, not seeing a townie Meeko doing this.

If I have to explain everything I'm doing, we are going to be here for a long, long time. There are, for want of better words, inherently "Meeko" things that Meeko does. Even if I could explain them, there is no guarantee the words I use in my explanation would translate. I was once compared to Yogi Berra, and the thing is, I kinda actually "get" Yogi more than the next guy, that, or I give him benefit of the doubt, dismantle his diction, and rebuild it, better than it was before.

Was I under no pressure to claim? How much "pressure" is there in someone mildly asking others to claim?

But, you leave out TWO key parts of my claim, rather, the circumstances of my claiming.

From the start I said I was taking a risk. I still am.

On Day 3, I set forth conditions that had to be met before I claimed. How many Cops routinely and customarily claim on Day 4? How many Cops claim on day 4 without pressure, without conversation of doing so, and indeed, without second thought? Certainly a Cop Claim that satisfied conditions on Day 3 is of similar value. It would be a risk, but again, I knew that going in.


I knew my targets to be vanilla. Neither of them lied. They could have claimed a number of things. They did not. I couldn't catch them in a lie. YMMV on what that means, but I think it goes a long way. If it doesn't, then look at them further, and not me. Further, I held up my end of the deal. I claimed after the conditions were met. It was a risk, I knew that going in.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Visorslash

How many of you players left are Gloria Gaynor types? I'd bet you all are.

Wikipedia has this on Gloria Gaynor:

Gloria Gaynor (born September 7, 1949) is an American singer, best known for the disco era hits "I Will Survive" (Hot 100 number 1, 1979), "Never Can Say Goodbye" (Hot 100 number 9, 1974), "Let Me Know (I Have a Right)" (Hot 100 number 42, 1980) and "I Am What I Am" (R&B number 82, 1983).

[Double A]

They were probably asking if any of us were survivors, I reckon so the mafia won't accidentally kill one instead of a townie.

[lulz]

@Visorslash

Can you please link me to any previous mafia games you have run?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Was I under no pressure to claim? How much "pressure" is there in someone mildly asking others to claim?

But that was you, you asked them to claim, and of course you needed to follow up afterwards, but there was no pressure on you to start that.

Originally Posted by Meeko

But, you leave out TWO key parts of my claim, rather, the circumstances of my claiming.

From the start I said I was taking a risk. I still am.

How on earth were you taking a risk?
If you are scum, and a role cop, you could be sure they were vanilla, either due to an investigation, or because they are fellow goons
If you are scum, and not a role cop, someone on your team may have picked up a crumb that they are vanilla, or they are fellow goons
If you are town, you had results that they were vanilla! If either of them lied, it would be auto-lynch as townies rarely ever have cause to lie.

Originally Posted by Meeko

On Day 3, I set forth conditions that had to be met before I claimed. How many Cops routinely and customarily claim on Day 4? How many Cops claim on day 4 without pressure, without conversation of doing so, and indeed, without second thought? Certainly a Cop Claim that satisfied conditions on Day 3 is of similar value. It would be a risk, but again, I knew that going in.

Again, what risk? No risk. And to be really fair, your conditions were vague, if you'd asked me I'd have given name, role and alignment. Your conditions were:

Originally Posted by Meeko

I'm taking a risk here.

I will only claim After Lulz and Double A claim.

And that's what I said at the time:

Originally Posted by guiri

As for Meeko's request, I expect he's looking for more than a power claim, but shedding light on Lulz and Double A will certainly help move the game along.

If one or both of your targets are town, this really was fishing.

Originally Posted by Meeko

I knew my targets to be vanilla. Neither of them lied. They could have claimed a number of things. They did not. I couldn't catch them in a lie. YMMV on what that means, but I think it goes a long way. If it doesn't, then look at them further, and not me. Further, I held up my end of the deal. I claimed after the conditions were met. It was a risk, I knew that going in.

Again, what risk to you, that you'd become a target?

But at least you've attempted to explain yourself. I still think the scum motivation for what you did and how you did it is significantly more plausible than the town motivation.

Now, if you are scum, I imagine that Double A, despite his vote on Mahaloth, is your scumbuddy. You made no attempt to save lulz on D2 when he was in danger of being lynched even though you had a partial result on him and Mahaloth was quite agressive towards him. Scathach, especially after Pizza's retreat, is plausible. Your little standalone vote on Sooh could be a little distancing. I find it hard to believe we're at lylo as that would mean you and two others, but there were two town deaths last Night (both power roles, were they your missing results?), could scum be in control of both of them so a mislynch toDay could mean end game?

[Meeko]

I don't have any further response for someone who asks "What is the risk of being a target?" to a Cop.

[guiri]

That's not what I asked, they are not mu words. I asked if the risk you were taking was becoming a target, you seemed to imply there was another risk to your claim.

[Visorslash]

Just over 24 hours to end of day.

[Double A]

Originally Posted by Meeko

I don't have any further response for someone who asks "What is the risk of being a target?" to a Cop.

bruh
she's asking you what's the risk in taking a night action when you can
vote: Meeko so hard he gets triple voted by me next game

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by Double A

[whinnying intensifies]

Is your horse ill? or happy?

[LightFoot]

It is a done deal- and Meeko bought and paid for it-



Just incase Scum tries to make it a tie in the 11th hour - they are not going to get to use my vote.

[lulz]

holding my nose and going down this path again...

unvote all

vote Meeko

After reviewing several other sites and games, visorslash always makes a distinction between "cop" and "rolecop". So it's not like the role pm would have been ambiguous. Meeko claimed cop but that would not have allowed him to determine whether we are vanilla.

#modmeta

[lulz]

"Being a rowdy rapscallion is all well and good for those rambunctious twins, but it's not proper behavior for a lady!" shouted Mr. Bonk.

"Indeed!" sighed Mrs. Bonk "After associating with those twins now my daughter, Slapper, is full of spunk!"

"There's nothing wrong with a lady full of spunk" growled Mr. Goolies, father of the Todger and Willy. "Slapper should get out more and not be cooped up inside all the time. Let her have some fun."

"Oh I beg to differ" said Mr. Bonk. "Your boys should stay away from our daughter!"

[Visorslash]

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Meeko (6): Scáthach (8), Sooh (24), Double A (25), guiri (26), LightFoot (46), lulz (47)
Sooh (1): Meeko (15)
Double A (0): LightFoot (33)[46]
Scathach (0): lulz (7)[47]

Tough crowd meeko