The Badtz Maru situation

[Khampelf]

It's not unheard of. I remember my Dad telling me about having his front teeth pulled w/o anesthetic after they were broken out by a thrown rock. True, this was in the Mid 1950s, so not quite 'modern America'.


Damn, I can't believe I'm going to Badtz for Mr. Maru. This will take a troll on my credibility.

[Chacoguy]

My Dad did the: string-to-wiggly baby tooth-to-doorknob back in the 60's. Good Times.

[mlerose]

There was actually a news story about something similar in Colorado not too long ago; toddlers on Medicaid were being strapped to boards to have dental work done rather than given anesthesia. Here is an article about it.

[Chacoguy]

Originally Posted by mlerose

There was actually a news story about something similar in Colorado not too long ago; toddlers on Medicaid were being strapped to boards to have dental work done rather than given anesthesia. Here is an article about it.

Thanks mlerose,

Holy Shit!! Still, I'm going to hang my hat on this quote:These reports have lead to changes in Colorado state law and prompted investigations in a half-a-dozen states and call bullshit. Fucking Troll.

[Islander]

Hell, I'll speak out on that one too. Anesthetic or not, when my 2-y-o bit through her lower lip while bouncing on the bed, she was put in a papoose while the stitches were put in place. It's not so uncommon. Neither is Medicaid fraud. That part was especially believable.

What I find hard to understand is why a guy would choose to tell a world of strangers about how his smelly farts annoy his office mates. And why he thinks we care. That's sick. TMI TMI TMI!

[Muskrat Love]

Originally Posted by Islander

Hell, I'll speak out on that one too. Anesthetic or not, when my 2-y-o bit through her lower lip while bouncing on the bed, she was put in a papoose while the stitches were put in place. It's not so uncommon. Neither is Medicaid fraud. That part was especially believable.

What I find hard to understand is why a guy would choose to tell a world of strangers about how his smelly farts annoy his office mates. And why he thinks we care. That's sick. TMI TMI TMI!

The main reason I mentioned that was the coincedence of having two depressing things happen within 24 hours - first my meeting about the gas (and I was hoping it would be to let me know I was going to get brought on permanent, which made it even more depressing), and then the car accident.

Regarding the gas, I was able to find out that one employee spoke to our supervisor about it, was told to talk to me about it, and said they weren't comfortable doing so. They then referred the issue to the on-site rep for the temp agency I work through. I strongly suspected that the employee was one of two adjacent to me who had been moved next to me within the last couple of weeks, as I'd been working with the rest of the people close to my cube for over a year and am on very friendly terms with them. One of these new people has since turned out to be a pretty cool guy, so I am fairly sure it was the other one, a weird guy who was obsessed with Dragonball Z, hostile to other coworkers, and who has since been fired for other issues.

[Chacoguy]

I will admit to my ignorance of pediatric dentistry; I only know what my own kids experienced. I apologize for jumping to conclusions. As to being prejudiced, I'm somewhat reluctant to say "Hey man, we're cool." The very fact that we have a "Badtz Maru situation" thread is a result of collective frustration from you stinking up the boards with offensive and outlandish posts. Your last few posts above are articulate and well thought out. Keep it up and I don't think anyone will have a problem. My point is: That's how most everyone else posts all the time. It's input like that that makes this a fun and interesting place to spend time. So, if I jumped to conclusions about your decision making, parenting, and judgment, I'm sorry. But, if you're using this incident to gain sympathy so you can resume acting like a troll; I'll probably call you on it. Or maybe not, after all, it is just a message board and in the end you don't take up very much space in my life.

[Muskrat Love]

Originally Posted by Chacoguy

The very fact that we have a "Badtz Maru situation" thread is a result of collective frustration from you stinking up the boards with offensive and outlandish posts.

I appreciate you taking a step back, but with this sentence you're pointing out the problem I have with the board - people are claiming I'm making offensive and outlandish posts when I am telling the truth, and they did this a long time before I posted the lie about my settlement. I look through my posting history and I don't see any offensive or outlandish posts. I see sincere, truthful posts that other people claim are offensive or outlandish for no other reason than I am making them.

I was 100% honest about the amount I got paid for the Buick. I did change information partway through because I found out more about it than I knew at first. My first assumption was that I had a salvage title now because that's what the insurance adjuster had originally told me would be the end result. I did not know that when my wife negotiated upwards the value of the car, that the claim was no longer higher than the value of the car and so it WAS treated as a repair claim instead of for totaling the car. This is because I was not involved in that process - my wife's name is on the title, and she handled the negotiations on it's value, and I did not realize all she had done until I had mentioned it to the adjuster when I was there negotiating my personal injury claim. Things changed, I wasn't aware of it, and some of what I had said initially was not correct, not because I was lying, but because I was misinformed and working under the wrong assumptions.

My post about the dental issues with Medicaid was 100% true, and this has since been pointed out, but for a couple of days people were assuming it was an outlandish troll. The issue with the gas was not a troll, but me complaining about an embarrassing and depressing thing that happened around the same time I was in an accident. Some people might not post publicly about that, but I am not embarrassed by people on a message board know about my intestinal problems - I was embarrassed that I had to discuss them with the young lady who the problems were reported to. My issues with the dog were true, and I was painted as being an animal abuser because some people believe that not letting a dog inside on a regular basis is wrong. I personally do not agree with that, and I don't think it's a majority opinion except maybe on these boards, but I was not trying to offend animal lovers with my inquiries into how I could keep the dog from escaping the yard.

Again and again, I post something about my life, and a few people start flaming me over it or accusing me of trollery, and then a pile-on starts, and when I try to explain myself at the surprise attacks, I'm accused of going all "poor me".

[The Cid]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

Again and again, I post something about my life, and a few people start flaming me over it or accusing me of trollery, and then a pile-on starts, and when I try to explain myself at the surprise attacks, I'm accused of going all "poor me".

Stop with the poor me bullshit.

[Veb]

From today:

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

I was 100% honest about the amount I got paid for the Buick. I did change information partway through because I found out more about it than I knew at first. My first assumption was that I had a salvage title now because that's what the insurance adjuster had originally told me would be the end result. I did not know that when my wife negotiated upwards the value of the car, that the claim was no longer higher than the value of the car and so it WAS treated as a repair claim instead of for totaling the car. This is because I was not involved in that process - my wife's name is on the title, and she handled the negotiations on it's value, and I did not realize all she had done until I had mentioned it to the adjuster when I was there negotiating my personal injury claim. Things changed, I wasn't aware of it, and some of what I had said initially was not correct, not because I was lying, but because I was misinformed and working under the wrong assumptions.

From 9/02, post #112 from your Pit thread:

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

Yeah, I lied about that, I only got $1000 (what you recommended I ask for). I wanted to see how you'd react to me getting much more than that.

So...which was the lie? Your first version or the latest?

Spin, blah, spin, blah, spin, blah.

I don't care about your tedious, tacky life. I don't care about your motivations for posting torrents of ridiculous, self-serving horseshit either. But don't expect everyone to lobotomize themselves for your convenience. Though the prospect holds some appeal compared to your endless self-pitying, after the fact rationalizations.

[Khampelf]

Damn, Batz.

People do go out of their way to go after you. Since you apologized for reacting to my poor first impression, I'll apologize for the 'file clerk with delusions' crack.

[Muskrat Love]

Originally Posted by Khampelf

Damn, Batz.

People do go out of their way to go after you. Since you apologized for reacting to my poor first impression, I'll apologize for the 'file clerk with delusions' crack.

No problem. In the case of Chacoguy, it's a combination of ignorance and prejudice. If he knew anything about pediatric dentistry, it wouldn't matter that he thought I was a troll, he'd know I was telling the truth. If he was ignorant of pediatric dentistry but didn't think I was a troll, he probably would not have jumped to the assumption that I was a psychotic and evil man making up bizarre horror stories for attention. A simple google search for "papoose children general anesthetic" would have given him confirmation I wasn't making it up, but sometimes it's easier to assume someone's a liar than to do a simple internet search.

[whirlingbladesofkick]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

<snip> A simple google search for "papoose children general anesthetic" would have given him confirmation I wasn't making it up, but sometimes it's easier to assume someone who is an admitted liar is a liar than to do a simple internet search.

Fixed that for you.

[Muskrat Love]

Also wanted to add that the child who was 4 at the time was able to stand still for some fillings (not the caps they wanted to give them) with liquid valium and a local anesthetic. He would not sit still on a subsequent visit and that's when we were given the option of a papoose board or having the Shriners pay for general anesthesia. They didn't get any work done on the 3 year old at all with sedation, she wouldn't even let them get the hypodermic in her mouth to give her a local.

[Sybarite]

I can vouch for the difficulty of getting around small children with needles - as a lab tech, I learned that after about 12 months, if a kid didn't want to get their blood taken, there wasn't much we could do about it.

Good post, Chacoguy. I just want to have fun shooting the shit here; I don't want to have to consider who the source of a post is, and respond differently accordingly.

[Uthrecht]

Which one's Saavik?

[Muskrat Love]

Me - I've always told the truth, except in one instance. Here's an example of where I told the truth and it was called a lie

TV - Right here you said "I admit I lied"

Me - That's the ONE time I was talking about!!!

If I am fundamentally dishonest, why can't you find more than one instance of my lying?

[Veb]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru;

If I am fundamentally dishonest, why can't you find more than one instance of my lying?

I'm not on any kind of witch hunt with you, Badtz. You keep posting provocative shit. It's not a one-off; it's over and over with you, then you go on long, involved justifications when posters react. I don't know your motivations. I don't care why you do it. But when the same thing keeps happening again and again, people notice.

Posters will rub each other the wrong way sometimes, fairly or unfairly, rightly or wrongly. That's just the way it goes. There have been plenty of dust ups and a few outright brawls over things. But I've noticed that most posters here are remarkably willing to plant their feet, tell it the way they see it then settle their differences, even if they just agree to disagree.

Like it or not, you've made a credibility problem for yourself. Nobody's done it to you; you've done it to yourself. How you handle that is up to you.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

If I am fundamentally dishonest, why can't you find more than one instance of my lying?

I'm just gonna keep answering this as I haven't gotten a response to it

You also lied about spending your insurance loot on video games at the same time you were posting about how poor you were. When called on it, you changed your story to say it all went to bills and vaccines, etc. And you admitted you were just lying about it to piss people off.

[wring]

Many years ago, I had a conversation w/a client of mine. She was upset that folks hadn't noticed/believed she'd turned over new leaf. I pointed out to her she was well known as a thief and for playing dirty tricks - she protested that she'd not been comvicted of either thing.

Some times, it takes an amount of time good behavior before it gets recognized.

[Muskrat Love]

Originally Posted by wring

Many years ago, I had a conversation w/a client of mine. She was upset that folks hadn't noticed/believed she'd turned over new leaf. I pointed out to her she was well known as a thief and for playing dirty tricks - she protested that she'd not been comvicted of either thing.

Some times, it takes an amount of time good behavior before it gets recognized.

How did I get known for being dishonest when I've only lied once, long after the reputation was there? All the "provocative shit" was true, and the only way you could call it provocative is if you assume it was falsehoods posted to provoke.

[SoylentPopTart]

Originally Posted by Badtz Maru

How did I get known for being dishonest when I've only lied once, long after the reputation was there? All the "provocative shit" was true, and the only way you could call it provocative is if you assume it was falsehoods posted to provoke.

How many times do you think you should be able to lie before you're labeled dishonest?

[wring]

You are not only known by your actions here.

[Sybarite]

Would all y'all mind taking your argument somewhere else if you're finished discussing how we should treat suspected trolls?

[Darmund]

Why? You were going to have a poetry contest in this thread or something?

[Borborygmi]

This thread was to talk about trolls
But by now you know how this crowd rolls
The rest of us cats
Made the thread about Badtz
'Cause he makes stuff up just for lulz

[Sybarite]

Originally Posted by Darmund

Why? You were going to have a poetry contest in this thread or something?

Maybe. I can have a poetry contest if I want to. Although Borborygmi has probably won it already.

[LurkMeister]

Who cares about trolls?
If they annoy, ignore them
Otherwise, just laugh.

[Rebo]

Originally Posted by Borborygmi

This thread was to talk about trolls
But by now you know how this crowd rolls
The rest of us cats
Made the thread about Badtz
'Cause he makes stuff up just for lulz

:: standing ovation ::

[bufftabby]

*gives lurkmeister the clap as well, for his lovely haiku*

[SoylentPopTart]

Originally Posted by bufftabby

*gives lurkmeister the clap as well, for his lovely haiku*

Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

[LurkMeister]

Originally Posted by bufftabby

*gives lurkmeister the clap as well, for his lovely haiku*

Hmmm....I've never had the clap before....

[The Cid]

Originally Posted by LurkMeister

Hmmm....I've never had the clap before....

Frank Zappa: Why does it hurt when I pee?

[Sybarite]

Thread not about Badtz
But then it is.

[Uthrecht]

Well, next time, you probably don't want to include him in the title.

[Darmund]

It has been about him from the start. His name is in the title and everything. Or am I missing something?

[Sybarite]

Yes, you're probably right.
Should have titled thread, "Suspected Trolls."
Made an error.
Flagellate self later.

(Are smileys allowed in poetry now?)

[Uthrecht]

Okay, now that we've determined that Sybarite LIED ABOUT THE THREAD TITLE, let's Box her like the troll she is!

[Sybarite]

NO! NO! NOT A TROLL! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

(That one was prose.)

[Chacoguy]

Proser.

[Khampelf]

The thread's titled the Batz situation,
It's caused rather a consternation,
What to do about trolls,
or the way this board rolls,
It's become more mental masturbation.

[Zeener Diode]

Badtz posts a comment
Gets raft of shit from Raffers
Badtz posts a comment...

[SoylentPopTart]

There once was a poster, Badtz Maru.
Whose outlandish stories seemed untrue.
We could put him in the box,
with the rest of the socks.
But it stinks in there, worse then butt goo.

[bufftabby]

Hmm, if only there were some sort of razor to determine the truthiness of that statement.

[Zeener Diode]

A straight razor?

Or a gay blade?

[Radical Edward]

Oh, have you guys resorted to poetry already in here? Jeez.

[Sybarite]

Originally Posted by Radical Edward

Oh, have you guys resorted to poetry already in here? Jeez.

It was Talk Like A Poet Day yesterday.

[bufftabby]

I'd like to think the snarkers would be providing a lot more entertainment value right about now if they'd taken over badtz's account. Which says to me that they didn't. Plus, I'm pretty sure 7's got magical powers of IPness teehee for use in these situations.

[Inner Stickler]

Every day is talk like a poet. Now feel the beat of the universe with me

*Bangs soulfully on bongos.*

[Sybarite]

NO BONGOS!

Do you have a tambourine?