Yeetmas 3 - Day 2 - And the three wisemen are no more?

[Mahaloth]

Wise-people would be nice. I am not assuming gender on anyone.

I hope everyone had a nice Christmas weekend and was able to get rested up. In fact, some of you don’t even need to worry about the game anymore….as you have been all wrapped up at Night.

Those all wrapped up at Night are:

A Christmas Sock
Lightfoot
Swammerdami

And easy peasy….all were Ordinary Mall Santas. Vanilla Townies.

It is now Day 2. Day 2 will run until Friday, December 31 at Noon, Eastern USA time.

Here is a countdown to that time.


Please use the vote counter here to make sure your vote is counted.


Three Mall Santas died at Night and that means the players may choose to wrap up to three players today. The vote totals for each wrap are:

1st Wrap - top vote getter automatically is wrapped
2nd Wrap - needs 5 votes
3rd Wrap - needs 2 votes

Any “wrap” past the first one is optional and will only occur if the vote threshold is met.

Have fun!

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Here we go again. I investigated Christmas Sock. Pfui, pfui, pfui!

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

19-1-3 = 15.

10 Town, 3 Elves, 2 Mariah.

[Vanta Black]

Bah! Humbug!

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Christmas Sock, may we know your main ID on Giraffe?

[guiri]

Day 1
Archangel (5): Pleonast (44), Vanta Black (125), BillMc (193), Swammerdami (195), Mordenkainen (207)

Swammerdami (2): Silverjan (192), Christmas Sock (200)
Pleonast (2): LightFoot (157), Prof. Pepperwinkle (202)
Christmas Sock (2): Archangel (179), A Poor Shepherd Boy(214)

Prof. Pepperwinkle (1): Dizzymrslizzy (12)
Annoying Christmas Singer (1): Bashorian Clement (6)
Lightfoot (1): Suburban Plankton (19)
Vanta Black (1): Annoying Christmas Singer (198)
Mordenkainen (1): Guiri(215)

bashorian Clement (0): Meeko (72)[119]
Thecatsmeow (0): Christmas Sock (70)[200]
No Wrap (0): Swammerdami (121)[194]
Suburban Plankton (0): Vanta Black (49)[107]

Non-voters (3): Meeko, raventhief, TheCatsMeow

[guiri]

Originally Posted by raventhief

Happy holidays to all, and to all a good morning!

Originally Posted by raventhief

S


Time is fleeting...

On this Day, I mean. What did you think I meant?

Originally Posted by raventhief

Are the results same day? Heres hoping for a negative

Originally Posted by raventhief

Good, the Deliverator doesn't need to be eliminated.

Originally Posted by raventhief

<Goes back to check who you were actually unvoting>

Oh. Not the guy in the Metaverse.

Originally Posted by raventhief

I'm so sorry Jan.

Originally Posted by raventhief

Was this guessed it revealed? I'm going with Carol of the Bells by trans Siberian what's it.

Originally Posted by raventhief

I know I was just failing to be clever about Hiro NOT being this game, so who were you actually unv... You know what, doesn't matter lol

Originally Posted by raventhief

Fuck I missed end of day? I just got off work!

I'm so sorry.

Originally Posted by raventhief

HUZZAH! <Smashes glass> HUZZAH!

(much love AA and have an AAwesome Christmas)

Originally Posted by raventhief

Merry yule and happy holidays and everything to my favorite bunch of heartless killers!

Looks like you missed most of start and middle of Day also. What are your reads?

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

I see the game is afooot. Let us hope that tracking these evil Elves and malicious Mariahs is easier than tracking a Beholder.

... what do you mean,. the evil Elves aren't black-skinned and white-haired Underdark dwellers? Bah, humbug!

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

Sounds like a Pink Panther to me. Not that any such monster exists - it wouild appear in my seminal work, the Monster Manual.

Originally Posted by Mordenkainen

Evening all.

Having perused the thread, it wandered a bit (some of the blame being laid at my door).

I've just been through the thread, and the oddest thing I have seen is Swammerdami's pseudo-votes for Archangel; both of them.

They are pseudo-votes because, although apparently proper, he has not repealed his vote for No Wrap. This is (iirc) not a game featuring multivotes; therefore he is still voting No Wrap.

If this is a simple error, it's probably a Town mark against him. If it's trying to obfuscate his true vote, well that will soon be seen when Day ends.

On the other hand, my hindbrain is screaming "that's odd and odd is suspicious" and urging me to vote Swammi. I think that ir is probably better to wait and see how Today's vote turns out.

I'm going to



for now, as it will be easier to eliminate her than try and find a sub less than two days before Christmas.

It turned out to be a good vote for a bad reason, but still stinky, with the “for now” three hours before EoD, and waiting to see how the Day’s vote turned out to decide about Swammi?

[Bashorian Clement]

guiri, why did you pick raventhief to highlight? I could've been accused of the same thing. I missed most of the Day and posted principally oog stuff. I still haven't read all of Day 1 and Night 1. (I was holidaying, which included some travel, but I'm back home now) But regardless, I'm curioius why raventhief was featured.

[Bashorian Clement]

I do agree though if what you have for Morden is true/complete that that's shady.

Morden, what's up with the sandbagging?

[Bashorian Clement]

And really, raventhief missing a lot of the Day isn't unusual, but it is for me.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

guiri, why did you pick raventhief to highlight? I could've been accused of the same thing. I missed most of the Day and posted principally oog stuff. I still haven't read all of Day 1 and Night 1. (I was holidaying, which included some travel, but I'm back home now) But regardless, I'm curioius why raventhief was featured.

Am working through the Day, her lack of vote and missing EOD by 12 minutes caught my eye.

[guiri]

Oh, and it was irony, she was around for the entire day, as you can see by her posts, but did not make any game-related posts.

[guiri]

Looking back at D1 for possible Mariahs.

Likely:
SilverJan: snuggled quite a bit - #29, Archangel gave a town read on Silver in #135 for “tone”, Silver returned the favor in #139 since AA requested a sub. She gets quite defensive of AA as the Day progresses, #187 she defends her stance that scum AA would not request a sub, she comments on the votes AA already has in #190-192, and voted Swammi partially for his vote on AA. This post saves her a little though:

Originally Posted by Silverjan

If AA is scum then I will look very foolish indeed.

A Poor Shepherd Boy: did not see scummy behaviour in AA and voted Christmas Sock following her lead #214, a bold move for a fellow scum

Meeko FOS’d but did not vote Archangel - #36. During the Night he said this:

Originally Posted by Meeko

It is interesting, because while I did note that AA was leading for the vote, and well, I wasn't sure how to comment, or ""Act"" on it in the game. I'm never ever going to shake my paranoia, am I?

Please explain more your decision not to comment or act?

Unlikely:
Pleo voted Archangel for her first post - #44
Vanta expressed disbelief in her first post sentiment #50, then voted her, for this and as she already had a vote #125
Bill reacted to SilverJan’s defence of AA, disagreeing that scum wouldn’t do that, and voting AA in #193.

Elsewhere,

Originally Posted by Prof. Pepperwinkle

Under 2 hours to go and 5 haven't voted. And Dizzy's vote was (I believe) a joke vote.

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

I didn’t know until today that Prof claimed cop. I missed it. It still doesn’t mean that Prof’s claim is true in any way shape or form. But sure come after me.

So was your vote in #12 serious?

Originally Posted by guiri

The one where he claimed Cop and has not been counter-claimed?

Quoting myself in case the question to Pleo is missed.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by BillMc

Strike one.......yeah!

This gave me a bit of a ping.

"Strike one" kind of implies two to go. Which is not the case. But it could be how a Shelf Elf might see it.

Originally Posted by Pleonast

I’m guessing I’ll there’s two-thirds chance I’ll be dead at Dawn, so I’ll give what few reads I have.

Something about Prof. Pepperwinkle seemed off, but I can’t find the post now. Way too much out-of-game spam in Day One.

Meeko does not seem obvious Town. Not ready to accuse yet, though.

I have some Town leans, but will withhold.

So we are all for withholding information, right? Particularly if we think we might not survive the night. Yeah, fie on this post.

[LightFoot]

Son of a B ....

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by Prof. Pepperwinkle

Here we go again. I investigated Christmas Sock. Pfui, pfui, pfui!

Good job there lol

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by guiri

Looking back at D1 for possible Mariahs.

Likely:
SilverJan: snuggled quite a bit - #29, Archangel gave a town read on Silver in #135 for “tone”, Silver returned the favor in #139 since AA requested a sub. She gets quite defensive of AA as the Day progresses, #187 she defends her stance that scum AA would not request a sub, she comments on the votes AA already has in #190-192, and voted Swammi partially for his vote on AA. This post saves her a little though:

A Poor Shepherd Boy: did not see scummy behaviour in AA and voted Christmas Sock following her lead #214, a bold move for a fellow scum

Meeko FOS’d but did not vote Archangel - #36. During the Night he said this: Please explain more your decision not to comment or act?

Unlikely:
Pleo voted Archangel for her first post - #44
Vanta expressed disbelief in her first post sentiment #50, then voted her, for this and as she already had a vote #125
Bill reacted to SilverJan’s defence of AA, disagreeing that scum wouldn’t do that, and voting AA in #193.

Elsewhere,

So was your vote in #12 serious?

Quoting myself in case the question to Pleo is missed.

Guiri… no my vote in #12 was obviously a joke vote.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by guiri

Meeko FOS’d but did not vote Archangel - #36. During the Night he said this: Please explain more your decision not to comment or act?

"" It is interesting, because while I did note that AA was leading for the vote, and well, I wasn't sure how to comment, or ""Act"" on it in the game. I'm never ever going to shake my paranoia, am I? ""

Do you all think about the game so much, to the point that, in your brain, at least, you are like, taking for granted that you actually already posted something to the game?

Like, you compose a text on the phone to someone, and then, never ever actually hit send, but assume that it is sent, regardless, and then act on, and after that?


I'm not sure if it is "Meta" or otherwise "breaks" the game. [[I'm really not sure what counts as breaking the game anymore, anyway.]] Or if it is gilding the lilly, or if it is diminishing returns, or if "" It's the economy, stupid! * "" but a collage of all of the above kept me from voting AA.

At the same point in time, all of the above, while collected into each other, is also wholly separate from the FOS that I threw on AA, owing to my Meeko-ness. That is to say, at that point in the day, my FOS had effectively fallen off / lost it's mojo baby, yeah... While still valid, I didn't actively consider it in case building, given the game state later in the day, and with the votes on AA.

Just.

At a point in time, it's obvious, innit? Realistically, not sure what my vote would have added.

*This is how I mean "economy" one problem, per se, AA needing a sub out, and the votes on them, ... solving the other. And in that, what really, really can be gained from yet an extra vote? Especially if that vote would mis-inform analysis later?

I actually had a chance to look up "Cocksure" as in that oft repeated post on Facebook, that smart people are paralyzed by doubts, and idiots are only too cocksure to do shit, that blows up in their face.

Read into that as you will.

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"" Please explain more your decision not to comment or act? ""

Thoughts on not commenting and not acting, sure. Decision? That's a degree or two too .... sharp. Please to put the fangs away.

I'll remind the game that I effectively also missed EOD as well.


I'm sure I've said this here (or you know, in our playgroup's games, if over on Dope) at least once before. ::: I like "Law & Order" [[And super stoked that it's coming back next year]] .... but damn, with my ADHD, if I miss 4 seconds of it, I might was well change the channel, because, short of DVR, you are lost trying to piece that plot line back together if you miss something.

And so it is, if you miss the _one_ clump of posts that each Day seems to have. Like, it's nothing. nothing. nothing. OHMYGODAWHOLEBUNCHOFSTUFFALLATONCELETSALLPOSTRIGHT NOWLIKEOURLIFEDEPENDSONITOHMYGODANDTHROWINAFEWVOTE SWHILEWEAREATITOHMYGOD! nothing. nothing. EOD.


And it's like. if it was more even paced, yeah, I could get on board more with it.




Finally, crucially, I blame that I have now been up for 20 and a half hours. I know this doesn't make sense, some of it, even for me. But, short of not having sleep in that interim, I can't point to drink or substance. I mean, I finished off my Fireball like, 8 hours ago. It tasted better, like I had sinuses or congestion. Thankfully, nothing else is going on.... but I am public facing and in retail.... so.

But yeah. That's where I am, currently, and why I am currently. Clear as Mud?

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Wise-people would be nice. I am not assuming gender on anyone.

If I could be arsed, Mendie would respond here. But I think that joke has been overplayed in this game, the second time I used the account. Especially not since, you know, ahem, the game proper has started. Even if we are screwed.




Like, I was promised more crossfire than that.



Yeah. Sleep. Probably.

[Bashorian Clement]

Yeah I didn't read that

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Those all wrapped up at Night are:

A Christmas Sock
Lightfoot
Swammerdami

And easy peasy….all were Ordinary Mall Santas. Vanilla Townies.

I am tempted to look at this math, and conclude that, for the third "wrap" .... additional power [That is to say, a one shot, or otherwise a limited "extra" power was used] was used. And therefore, decided on, deliberated on.

What is the motivation to use up Extra on Night 1?


I would like to think, that, despite the body count, having .... incensed scum [[Capitlized, or Not]] being moved to do extra, has to ultimately bode well for us. .... and that it's not some stupid townie.

At first it's like Townies wouldn't do that. Yes, to play off of that, and then because it would be an assumed opposite to scum . but it's like, No, Town wouldn't do that, can't exist, because I am sure town has already, and always done it all, and always to their detriment.

[[Yes, I guess you could attempt a read on that as a tell on my part. But, dammit, you know, it's like I'm not sure what contortion I would need to take, to make that work, any other way.]]

That is. the .... voice, the, passiveness of it, it takes itself out of the game, to speak to the Game at large. It's outside the game in that sense, because it speaks to the Theory, not the practice.


I don't know, I fear that even that just digs it deeper. But it's like, If I feel like I am making less sense now, to myself, perhaps, just perhaps, you know, double negative reverse psychology, it makes more sense for you guys?

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Finally, Finally, I think it's clear that I have no good reads on much of anything right now. and that, that's where my head is, instead of on a pillow. I'm not sure, really, how townies could have appreciable different reads on the current game state, beyond that.


Damn. It's not a matter of how close I get to "it" here, if I can't transcend. Can't. Because the Won't [[And that one really weird use of "Want" ]] of me to get there, ..... doesn't ever take. I just feel, like, If I could turn off some part of me, I could be a much better Mafia player. But. ... crucially, that player would not be "Meeko", and it also would not be Me.

It's not that the tank is empty. The tank doesn't exist.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Yeah I didn't read that

Not sure I can blame you, at the present moment.

But, for the one person that does. That also happens to know how to .... rearrange it, and tell me the 17 and a half "hacks" to being a better Mafia player. .... That's never going to happen, is it?

[Vanta Black]

I can't believe I read this post but

Originally Posted by Meeko

"" It is interesting, because while I did note that AA was leading for the vote, and well, I wasn't sure how to comment, or ""Act"" on it in the game. I'm never ever going to shake my paranoia, am I? ""

Do you all think about the game so much, to the point that, in your brain, at least, you are like, taking for granted that you actually already posted something to the game?

Like, you compose a text on the phone to someone, and then, never ever actually hit send, but assume that it is sent, regardless, and then act on, and after that?

I have at times felt sure that I posted a (1) vote or (2) opinion, and then found that in fact I had not. So I hear this.

I'm not sure if it is "Meta" or otherwise "breaks" the game. [[I'm really not sure what counts as breaking the game anymore, anyway.]] Or if it is gilding the lilly, or if it is diminishing returns, or if "" It's the economy, stupid! * "" but a collage of all of the above kept me from voting AA.

At the same point in time, all of the above, while collected into each other, is also wholly separate from the FOS that I threw on AA, owing to my Meeko-ness. That is to say, at that point in the day, my FOS had effectively fallen off / lost it's mojo baby, yeah... While still valid, I didn't actively consider it in case building, given the game state later in the day, and with the votes on AA.

So what are you saying here, that your vote did not matter?

Just.

At a point in time, it's obvious, innit? Realistically, not sure what my vote would have added.

*This is how I mean "economy" one problem, per se, AA needing a sub out, and the votes on them, ... solving the other. And in that, what really, really can be gained from yet an extra vote? Especially if that vote would mis-inform analysis later?

I actually had a chance to look up "Cocksure" as in that oft repeated post on Facebook, that smart people are paralyzed by doubts, and idiots are only too cocksure to do shit, that blows up in their face.

Read into that as you will.

That was a post on FAcebook? By Bertrand Russell? But it seems like the nature of things is that the smarter you are the more you know that you do not know, also "The best lack all conviction, while the worst/are full of passionate intensity" kind of the same thing.
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"" Please explain more your decision not to comment or act? ""

Thoughts on not commenting and not acting, sure. Decision? That's a degree or two too .... sharp. Please to put the fangs away.

I'll remind the game that I effectively also missed EOD as well.


I'm sure I've said this here (or you know, in our playgroup's games, if over on Dope) at least once before. ::: I like "Law & Order" [[And super stoked that it's coming back next year]] .... but damn, with my ADHD, if I miss 4 seconds of it, I might was well change the channel, because, short of DVR, you are lost trying to piece that plot line back together if you miss something.

And so it is, if you miss the _one_ clump of posts that each Day seems to have. Like, it's nothing. nothing. nothing. OHMYGODAWHOLEBUNCHOFSTUFFALLATONCELETSALLPOSTRIGHT NOWLIKEOURLIFEDEPENDSONITOHMYGODANDTHROWINAFEWVOTE SWHILEWEAREATITOHMYGOD! nothing. nothing. EOD.


And it's like. if it was more even paced, yeah, I could get on board more with it.

I considered this kind of a pretty slowpaced game compared to some, but I've sure had games where I lost the thread.

Finally, crucially, I blame that I have now been up for 20 and a half hours. I know this doesn't make sense, some of it, even for me. But, short of not having sleep in that interim, I can't point to drink or substance. I mean, I finished off my Fireball like, 8 hours ago. It tasted better, like I had sinuses or congestion. Thankfully, nothing else is going on.... but I am public facing and in retail.... so.

But yeah. That's where I am, currently, and why I am currently. Clear as Mud?

I think all you need to say is you've been working retail. Also I was not overwhelmed by Fireball, but will note that subsequent drinks of any kind are often lots better than the first drink. PS I have Mendie on ignore.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Meeko

Not sure I can blame you, at the present moment.

But, for the one person that does. That also happens to know how to .... rearrange it, and tell me the 17 and a half "hacks" to being a better Mafia player. .... That's never going to happen, is it?

There are no shortcuts to anyplace worth going. (Beverly Sills, god I love the internet, I would never have remembered who said that.)

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

So what are you saying here, that your vote did not matter?


That was a post on FAcebook? By Bertrand Russell? But it seems like the nature of things is that the smarter you are the more you know that you do not know, also "The best lack all conviction, while the worst/are full of passionate intensity" kind of the same thing.

I'm about to head off to bed. But let me touch these two.

1. IN THAT MOMENT, yes. I felt like my vote did not matter.

2. That's indeed the one. ..... Not sure if I am starting to make _more_ sense, or, if you know, you guys are getting more like me.

3. Re Mendie : It was a joke vote on Maha, and then a response to the fact that Maha said later in this same game, that he likes to Mod, because he can't get voted this game. ((Mendie had unvoted him at that point.))

[Pleonast]

Looks like I got some nibbles. I’ll let the line play out a bit.

[Bashorian Clement]

When people start throwing around Beverly Sills references, I'm thinking this is Señor Mafia.

Or maybe it's just Mafia where people lie cheat and kill their friends.

[Christmas Sock]

Nuts! Someone's getting coal next Christmas.

[gnarlycharlie]

That would be me. Figures. I play my first game in about two years and I get NKd on N1. Bah, humbug!

Originally Posted by Prof. Pepperwinkle

Christmas Sock, may we know your main ID on Giraffe?

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie

That would be me. Figures. I play my first game in about two years and I get NKd on N1. Bah, humbug!

Nice to have you back even if I didn't realise it was you

[Silverjan]

I really did think AA was Town, just goes to show that I can't read people at all. I am curious as to how I could have been snuggling AA though, I thought that was something that scum did to Town. I was also wrong about Swammi. If Prof is lying to us then I will have to give up this game forever. I don't think he is lying because there wasn't a counter claim and why would scum take such a risk anyway, that wouldn't make sense.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

I can't believe I read this post but

I have at times felt sure that I posted a (1) vote or (2) opinion, and then found that in fact I had not. So I hear this.


So what are you saying here, that your vote did not matter?


That was a post on FAcebook? By Bertrand Russell? But it seems like the nature of things is that the smarter you are the more you know that you do not know, also "The best lack all conviction, while the worst/are full of passionate intensity" kind of the same thing.
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I considered this kind of a pretty slowpaced game compared to some, but I've sure had games where I lost the thread.

I think all you need to say is you've been working retail. Also I was not overwhelmed by Fireball, but will note that subsequent drinks of any kind are often lots better than the first drink. PS I have Mendie on ignore.

I see you read it and understood it, congrats! I need to read Meeko's posts more carefully because he often has some good stuff hidden away.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Guiri… no my vote in #12 was obviously a joke vote.

OK, but you were aware of his claim and kept the vote, I guess you were planning to unvote and vote someone else later but didn’t make it back? Who would you have voted?

Originally Posted by Meeko

"" It is interesting, because while I did note that AA was leading for the vote, and well, I wasn't sure how to comment, or ""Act"" on it in the game. I'm never ever going to shake my paranoia, am I? ""

Do you all think about the game so much, to the point that, in your brain, at least, you are like, taking for granted that you actually already posted something to the game?

Like, you compose a text on the phone to someone, and then, never ever actually hit send, but assume that it is sent, regardless, and then act on, and after that?

Yes, this happens to me too, but it’s not what you said, you said you weren’t sure how to comment or act, not that you thought you’d already commented but realized you didn’t. I only have your words to go on. Did you also think you’d placed a vote on someone?

Originally Posted by Meeko

I am tempted to look at this math, and conclude that, for the third "wrap" .... additional power [That is to say, a one shot, or otherwise a limited "extra" power was used] was used. And therefore, decided on, deliberated on.

What is the motivation to use up Extra on Night 1?


I would like to think, that, despite the body count, having .... incensed scum [[Capitlized, or Not]] being moved to do extra, has to ultimately bode well for us. .... and that it's not some stupid townie.

Maybe you need some rest.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Fully open setup, absolutely no secret roles or “Mahaloth potatoes” flying around.

This in an open setup, we have access to all the role PMs, there’s no secret extra power, there are two scum teams and a vig, presumably all three made a kill last Night. Besides that, what do you mean by “ultimately bode well for us”?

Originally Posted by Silverjan

I really did think AA was Town, just goes to show that I can't read people at all. I am curious as to how I could have been snuggling AA though, I thought that was something that scum did to Town. I was also wrong about Swammi. If Prof is lying to us then I will have to give up this game forever. I don't think he is lying because there wasn't a counter claim and why would scum take such a risk anyway, that wouldn't make sense.

Maybe snuggling was the wrong word - friendly? Protective?, there’s nothing inherently scummy with being wrong, I’m looking at the entire set of interactions.

[Dizzymrslizzy]

Originally Posted by guiri

OK, but you were aware of his claim and kept the vote, I guess you were planning to unvote and vote someone else later but didn’t make it back? Who would you have voted?
Yes, this happens to me too, but it’s not what you said, you said you weren’t sure how to comment or act, not that you thought you’d already commented but realized you didn’t. I only have your words to go on. Did you also think you’d placed a vote on someone?
Maybe you need some rest. This in an open setup, we have access to all the role PMs, there’s no secret extra power, there are two scum teams and a vig, presumably all three made a kill last Night. Besides that, what do you mean by “ultimately bode well for us”?

Maybe snuggling was the wrong word - friendly? Protective?, there’s nothing inherently scummy with being wrong, I’m looking at the entire set of interactions.

No I was not aware of his claim until
Night started.

I placed the joke vote, and then proceeded to work 60 hours that week, on top of prepping for a house full of people on Christmas Day.

I logged in one more time, and read a few posts, posted the one post about Pleo because it stood out to me as something I felt comfortable posting about, and I was full planning to come back and catch up. When I logged back in, Day was over. I didn’t realize when EOD was. My fault. 100%

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

No I was not aware of his claim until Night started.

I placed the joke vote, and then proceeded to work 60 hours that week, on top of prepping for a house full of people on Christmas Day.

I logged in one more time, and read a few posts, posted the one post about Pleo because it stood out to me as something I felt comfortable posting about, and I was full planning to come back and catch up. When I logged back in, Day was over. I didn’t realize when EOD was. My fault. 100%

Fair enough, it matches your N1 post.

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Originally Posted by Dizzymrslizzy

Good job there lol

I know! I thought I was back in Story's game!

I had guessed 3 people I thought I shouldn't investigate, and 2 of them died last Night as well, but I figured I'd be safe with the new socks. Go figure.

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie

That would be me. Figures. I play my first game in about two years and I get NKd on N1. Bah, humbug!

Pfui again! Come back soon!

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

Looks like I got some nibbles. I’ll let the line play out a bit.

What does this even mean?

[Prof. Pepperwinkle]

I find myself concerned about the extra wrap-up votes. Elves with 3 and Mariahs with 2 can seriously influence those.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Meeko "" It is interesting, because while I did note that AA was leading for the vote, and well, I wasn't sure how to comment, or ""Act"" on it in the game. I'm never ever going to shake my paranoia, am I? "" Do you all think about the game so much, to the point that, in your brain, at least, you are like, taking for granted that you actually already posted something to the game? Like, you compose a text on the phone to someone, and then, never ever actually hit send, but assume that it is sent, regardless, and then act on, and after that? I'm not sure if it is "Meta" or otherwise "breaks" the game. [[I'm really not sure what counts as breaking the game anymore, anyway.]] Or if it is gilding the lilly, or if it is diminishing returns, or if "" It's the economy, stupid! * "" but a collage of all of the above kept me from voting AA. At the same point in time, all of the above, while collected into each other, is also wholly separate from the FOS that I threw on AA, owing to my Meeko-ness. That is to say, at that point in the day, my FOS had effectively fallen off / lost it's mojo baby, yeah... While still valid, I didn't actively consider it in case building, given the game state later in the day, and with the votes on AA. Just. At a point in time, it's obvious, innit? Realistically, not sure what my vote would have added. *This is how I mean "economy" one problem, per se, AA needing a sub out, and the votes on them, ... solving the other. And in that, what really, really can be gained from yet an extra vote? Especially if that vote would mis-inform analysis later? I actually had a chance to look up "Cocksure" as in that oft repeated post on Facebook, that smart people are paralyzed by doubts, and idiots are only too cocksure to do shit, that blows up in their face. Read into that as you will. ----- "" Please explain more your decision not to comment or act? "" Thoughts on not commenting and not acting, sure. Decision? That's a degree or two too .... sharp. Please to put the fangs away. I'll remind the game that I effectively also missed EOD as well. I'm sure I've said this here (or you know, in our playgroup's games, if over on Dope) at least once before. ::: I like "Law & Order" [[And super stoked that it's coming back next year]] .... but damn, with my ADHD, if I miss 4 seconds of it, I might was well change the channel, because, short of DVR, you are lost trying to piece that plot line back together if you miss something. And so it is, if you miss the _one_ clump of posts that each Day seems to have. Like, it's nothing. nothing. nothing. OHMYGODAWHOLEBUNCHOFSTUFFALLATONCELETSALLPOSTRIGHT NOWLIKEOURLIFEDEPENDSONITOHMYGODANDTHROWINAFEWVOTE SWHILEWEAREATITOHMYGOD! nothing. nothing. EOD. And it's like. if it was more even paced, yeah, I could get on board more with it. Finally, crucially, I blame that I have now been up for 20 and a half hours. I know this doesn't make sense, some of it, even for me. But, short of not having sleep in that interim, I can't point to drink or substance. I mean, I finished off my Fireball like, 8 hours ago. It tasted better, like I had sinuses or congestion. Thankfully, nothing else is going on.... but I am public facing and in retail.... so. But yeah. That's where I am, currently, and why I am currently. Clear as Mud?

This is Meeko's post about his inaction. I read it after all and think it's probably NAI for Meeko, at least from what I've seen from Meeko anyway. It actually kind of makes sense. I understand about being frozen into inaction, especially in this game. So eh.

[Bashorian Clement]

I still don't like guiri's disparate treatment of RT and me, but I don't know the benefit of it to a scum!guiri when there are two scum factions.

[Silverjan]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

I still don't like guiri's disparate treatment of RT and me, but I don't know the benefit of it to a scum!guiri when there are two scum factions.

That's what makes this game so difficult is because there are 2 scum factions so the vote count doesn't mean as much. I like to see patterns in things and this makes it so much harder. I also have a niggling feeling that guiri could be scum.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Meeko

BC,

On an unrelated note, do I need to ask you about the other, other thing?

Meeko, the improv in me wants to yes this, but I'll leave it to your discretion.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

Meeko, the improv in me wants to yes this, but I'll leave it to your discretion.

That's "Yes, And", if you please,

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Your selected quote from me was over the "I can confirm my power" pseudo slip that we had already discussed by now. Paraphrasing, but at that time, I wanted to pull my punch so to speak, before I went full bore. Which admittedly, didn't last too long, but, well, my evidence at least is there, for as long as that lasted.

However, I still reserve the right to vote you over it, or anything else that may or may not come up. Simply put, you are still alive, and well, I am considering that into my equation. I'm not saying I am a vig, or anything like that, just, that, obviously, per the game, Townies die at night.... There is a further tortured line of reasoning on this, but I think you understand what I am getting at.

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Bashorian Clement

This is Meeko's post about his inaction. I read it after all and think it's probably NAI for Meeko, at least from what I've seen from Meeko anyway. It actually kind of makes sense. I understand about being frozen into inaction, especially in this game. So eh.

In honesty,

[And yes, I know, I hate using that phrase, but all other phrases here will be as equally as confining / and twisted to "prove" AI motivation / slip, so, knowing this, and then further, to point to it directly, hopefully, removes the sting there. .... I know that it can be seen as a tell to a possible non-town alignment. But I am telling you that it is not. You will do with that as you will, even if I tell you to do so, or not. ]

I probably was more tired than I thought I was. If not for the day itself, for the season. Perhaps it did catch up with me finally. [[More information than you want to know, I am sure, but I was fighting to use the rest of PTO, with one manager, while simultaneously arguing for a raise with another. 12 cents every six months, is not worth it.]]

Frozen. Apathy. Day 1 being ..... As I once asked chronos... Does Day 1 in Mafia games need that Jamie Lee Curtis regularity yogurt? .... Constipated. All of these things I treasure in my heart. ... No wait, that was something else treasured in the hearts of people at Christmas time, wasn't it?

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by Prof. Pepperwinkle

What does this even mean?

I took it to mean that Pleonast had a trap that sprang. And that, Pleo is going to (hopefully) report back, and bring some "steak" with his Sizzle. He's coming in hot, but, taking more than an hour to type out a post.

It's like the moment on Maury, where they over dramatize "The Results Are In!" "Meeko, in the Yeetmas 3 Mafia game, You. Are. Not. The. Scum!!!!!! "


Yeah, Bish! I tol U! I tol u bish, better not come round here no mores!

[Meeko]

Originally Posted by guiri

Maybe you need some rest.

This in an open setup, we have access to all the role PMs, there’s no secret extra power, there are two scum teams and a vig, presumably all three made a kill last Night. Besides that, what do you mean by “ultimately bode well for us”?

The motivation then ... Is it better to say frame of reference? .... The vantage I had with this, was one of assuming that non-town teams had a limited number of extra kills. That having used one of them [To total 3 NKs across two non-town teams] they felt pushed to do so.... because we were on to them.

Yes, 3 dead town in one day cycle is not good. BUT if we can glean anything from it. especially, if we are on their trail... then Ultimately that has to be good.

Besides that, what do you mean by “ultimately bode well for us”?

We are losing the battle, but winning the war kind of thing. Zugzwangs and what not.

Zugzwangs, because Occam's is so pre 2019.

[Bashorian Clement]

I've read the first two pages of Day 1. A lot of social interaction, meeko stuff, a weak push on Arch by Pleonast (that he admitted was weak), and Prof. claiming. The post by The Cat's Meow where they say they really like the Day's posting so far popped out because the ratio of game-related content to social interaction to that point was a lot lower than usual.

[Bashorian Clement]

Originally Posted by Meeko

That's "Yes, And", if you please,

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Your selected quote from me was over the "I can confirm my power" pseudo slip that we had already discussed by now. Paraphrasing, but at that time, I wanted to pull my punch so to speak, before I went full bore. Which admittedly, didn't last too long, but, well, my evidence at least is there, for as long as that lasted.

However, I still reserve the right to vote you over it, or anything else that may or may not come up. Simply put, you are still alive, and well, I am considering that into my equation. I'm not saying I am a vig, or anything like that, just, that, obviously, per the game, Townies die at night.... There is a further tortured line of reasoning on this, but I think you understand what I am getting at.

This is simple I think. My role PM was either sent or received on 19th December 2021 at 02:20 PM, and I made that post on 19th December 2021, 01:21 PM. I say sent or received because I'm not sure which the timestamp in my inbox reflects. I'll ask if I can do a screen cap of the timestamp if you want I guess. I'm Central Standard Time U.S. so you could try converting the timestamp in your inbox to see if it is close to mine.