Cheap Beer Mafia -- Day One

[Plumpudding]

Originally Posted by Sea Serpent

I did no such thing.

[Sea Serpent]

Originally Posted by Plumpudding

I made myself feel pinged by Sea serpent.

I didn't ping you. Whether you imagined a ping or made the whole thing up is still to be determined.

[Kaiveran]

I see sea serpents by the seashore.

(Got caught up in other things whoops. Good things tho. Best week I've had in a long time.)

[Sea Serpent]

I see. If you sea sea serpents by the seashore it must be that you are the one seen on the seashore because sea serpents do not seem to seek sealessness, preferring to be seen in icy seas for to see, you see.

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

I'm looking through the chances of multiple scenarios. Too much math to post here, but our overall chances of winning is roughly one-third, assuming optimal play by all players. Mostly likely play-out of the game is we execute two Townies in the first two Days, investigator reveals a scum on Day Three, and we have 2 Town vs 1 Scum on Day Four. That's basically a 50-50 shot at that point.

We're basically in end-game right now, but without the accumulation of information from earlier parts in the game. Small games are inherently difficult to balance.

Having multi-vote would help us out. Even if we can't officially do it, we can still state who our second vote would be. However we do it, we need to vote off players that most Townies think should be voted off. That is, allowing scum to affect our vote is especially bad (since we're at end game).

Hmm, there might be a bit of culture clash going here, because this is a very common type of setup across different communities/traditions of IM/UR. Although it usually comes with a "Night 0 Peek" if you're not MU – wherein the Cop is informed of a random Vanilla Townie at the start of the game. That would probably been better by GB standards, but woulda coulda shoulda, meow.

I have no problem with listing "second votes" at all – I think it could possibly be made redundant by players sharing more complete reads more regularly, but then again, not everyone is into that. Some players are more comfortable keeping their cards close to their chest and waiting for wuffs to walk into their trap. So the second choice strat can be a good compromise for those people.

A Cop Cover strategy can also improve our chances, and I can go into the details of such toDay, if you wish. That also requires cooperation.

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

Sounds too much like work.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Here is my OMGUS vote on Kai, though you may wonder why Kai and not plum. I presume plum is joking.

Hmm.

Motive for vote given, reasoning against equally valid alternative choice. It's Day 1, so doesn't matter that much if they're good reasons.

I see no problem with this post.

Originally Posted by Pleonast

Maybe by the end of the game, but very rarely at the beginning. And even though we're effectively at the end the game, it's only Day One.

I'll also note that some players still push back against multi-vote, even so far as to avoid giving any hint on their second vote choice. That is especially detrimental in this game.

Oh, and speaking of voting systems, the insta-hammer rule puts an additional hurdle for Town to overcome. We can't just throw out votes, because a vote could end the Day. Both the numbers-balance and the voting system work against us this game.

For better balance, I think I would've added a Scotsman-type role, who could survive one execution or kill. That'd bring the odds closer to even, rather than 1-to-2 against us.

This is where things get dubious for me.

First off, we are objectively not "at endgame" already. We can afford to whiff on our votes twice before we're in ELo. Considering that's also the total number of wolves, and most games give you at least one more misaxe, we are down a cycle or two, but that's not quite the same thing. And none of this analysis accounts for the Cop possibly carrying a confirmed innocent with them to F5, which is a HUGE boon to town win chances.

Also, multiple players being against the multi-vote/second-choice strat? Last I checked, the only one who gave you lip in response to that post was Sea Serpent. Hardly a huge problem for (no offense).

Again, these can be simple oversights, but given the care and behind-the-scenes number crunching that has been claimed, color me a bit skeptical.

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Hey, look, a knee-jerk reaction from me totally uncalled for.

I'm Vanilla Town, not a power role. Yes, I claimed way to early when pressure wasn't even mounting.

Oh goody, I love wine and foam parties!

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

I just feel like, all we ever do, is vote Kai.

Then again, ey have been scum, .... a metric ton. Like 6 times in eir 5 games with us?

Ehh, I feel like last game doesn't quite count. I mean, technically it does, but it was in a way different context.

Still, grateful that RNGesus cut me a break this game hew:

Originally Posted by Mahaloth

Killing him won the game for me just a few days ago. However, I have no real idea and my vote is mainly reactionary.

Falsa pronomina, domine.

I appreciate the candor in this post but unsure how to feel about it.

Originally Posted by guiri

The question about my avatar was a joke… it’s still Guinness with a seasonal touch. The multi-vote was serious, since it wasn’t mentioned in the rules.

I get the grudge vote on Mahaloth, fully understand the sentiment, but it’s a mafioso’s nature to double-cross and backstab.

I don’t get why Vanta included Sea Serpent either.

I’m supportive of stating my second vote preference - it’s pretty common to state who else you’d be willing to execute, but unsure about the last part of Pleo’s suggestion… is it that we should change our vote to pile onto the generally most suspected player, even if they’re not our first preference?

Lol, I was going to backstab Mahaloth until the almost-literal last minute, so truly, no hard feelings there. The vote was intended as an ice-breaker, just as it was claimed.

As to that last part, yeah, I guess that's what's up. That happens a shitload anyway (at least IME) but it seems like he means actually committing to that consistently instead of just being stuck off on a vanity wagon somewhere. That's how it reads to me at least.

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

1. I was more or less working on the assumption that all current votes on players in this game, were one flavor or another of "joke" vote.

Almost certainly correct.

2. Grudges are bad, mmmkay? /Mr.Garrison

See above.

3. Like, and I think moreso under my Meeko account than Mendie's, grudges left me with a lot of feel bads.

3.1 I'm not sure if I forgot, repressed, or flat out don't want to 'go there' again. C.F. me sitting out the past game.

3.2 it's probably all of the above reasons in 3.1

I think it's a net positive that you're grappling with your past mistakes and working to become better. You don't really need to justify that to the rest of us. And if you don't mind me getting mushy on ya, the way you've "tempered" your style as Mendie, for lack of a better word, seems to have had at least some tangible benefits in that more players were willing to hear you out.

4. In Truth, however, (shit. Can I say in truth? Is that a slip? Is calling it out the slip) ... Part of me wants to vote Kai. Because well. Track record.

I mean, it's not like I'd take it personally or anything. I know "always scums" are a thing, intimately. And I know that's part of your process. I know it can be hard to not get hung up on it, but remember this is a game and it's all fake and we're all playing characters. So have fun with it and do what you want.

5. No vote currently on anyone.

5.1 Not necessarily ruling out votes on anyone either.

5.2 Early days.

6. I'm not sure I've played in too many C7 (is ir?) Dirt simple games.

6.1 I'm not sure how much energy (and where) to give a simpler game.

As much as you can and/or want to, really. Real life comes first, and that includes whatever other passions you might have.

That's the whole reason why I now claim GB as my home base, really. Because the timeframes and the meta allow me the freedom to put those first, while still having space to wallpost with the best of 'em.

Originally Posted by Plumpudding

Pleo is being pleo but hammer point valind

Just got back from bandprstice so a bit drunk.

Maha vote was of course a joke...

I'm not much of a meta person... But, IT'S BEEN A WHILE! Who'ls who andstuff.

?

Hi @Plumpudding, I'm relatively new here and I don't believe we've met. I'm an alien foxcat thing from another planet that's super cringe and way too obsessed with this game. Cheesed to meet ya.

Originally Posted by Plumpudding

I think we should vote LightFoot. No reason.

I honestly forgot @LightFoot was in this game.

Then again, I nearly forgot eye was in this game, so I dunno how much that counts for, rawrf.

Originally Posted by Plumpudding

and who is sea serpent ffs

No idea tbh.

and holy mother of spam. slow your roll a bit, eh plum-person?

[Kaiveran]

Originally Posted by Plumpudding

Okay, I've think'ing a bit: What if town and scum just make up their differences and then ascend?! To what, you ask? GODHOOD! IMAGAAAAD! #mafiasolved

It has happened before, y'know.

Unsure if our noble host the Mightiest of Quinns will tolerate such shenanigans, though.

Originally Posted by Plumpudding

I've soft-claimed btw-

Currently too tired/lazy to look into this. Generally not a good idea though. In vino terribilus decisionis. (I don't know that much Latin, okay)

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Well this started faster than I anticipated.
I just spent a week having a pity party and ignoring the world- after [ IRL crap I will let you know Tonight]

Not much to go from so far with joking and drinking.

Naked votes and such.

We have until Friday to sort ourselves out for a true candidate.
I am of a mind that some of the odd exchanges are just banter. It bears attention to which are discarded and which were 'serious'

Oh hey, there you are. It just occured to me I shouldn't jump into people's menchies until I'm actually caught up with the thread. My b.

That said, I'd appreciate some of your own takes on this.

Originally Posted by guiri

Agree on Pleo, disagree (slightly) on Plum.

Serious vote.

Why, just because he's Rushin'?

Or is this some super secret special reaction test that I'm ruining?

Originally Posted by Pleonast

Never vote for anyone you don't think is Scum. But we know there are two Scum. It's better to be voting for your second choice of Scum then to let someone you don't think is Scum get executed because you were voting for your first choice.

(Multi-voting makes this process easier to do.)

Yep, this is pretty much what I surmised in my previous post. Still strikes me as kinda LAMIST though.

Originally Posted by Mendie Taoma

1. "" Too much math to post here "" == Pleonast is asking for trust and faith, and to be followed blindly. There would be more motivation here, if he were Scum. I think Town would be more free with "showing their work". Or, mention it in passing.

2. As I mentioned before "Assuming optimal play" is IMHO next door to pingy. We are not going to get optimal play. This is like all of those infomercials that have like 4 or 5 of the cookery device ready to go, with none of the prep, and none of the clean up, the device looks amazing, until you take two seconds andr realize, you are only going to buy one device of the 5, and even then, the prep, set up, and clean up after, is going to take even longer, than the rapid fire assembly line style process of the 5 devices on the counter. Sizzle, no steak.

3. A hypothetical situation is given, with us losing two town, and cop revealing themselves [[Perhaps too early? Or when Scum can most use the info?]] and then a proclamation that we will then, no, wait, are now, no wait, we already lost the game. Not unlike "The Day After Tomorrow" where every 20 minutes The End Of The World was moved up half of the time stated, until the title time frame was given. This sets a clock that I don't like, don't believe in, and think only Scum profit from.

3.1 Dammit, I just lost "The Game". And if you play that game, you did too.
My lord and savior xkcd thankfully freed me from that mental prison long ago.

4. a middling block of text in the middle. Part of me wants to say it was over analyzed and put in, just to smooth over the rest of the post. On one hand, seems meaningful, and on the other, meaningless.

5. Last paragraph seems like the biggest fishing expedition ever. Tell me who you suspect, and if I, or my partner are on deck, that would give us more than ample time to change what we are doing.

5.1 Which, come to think of it, it almost seems like there is a slip here. That or, Crazy like a fox / double bluff. Yes, it would suck if Scum did do that. ... and then we proceed to watch it happen it exactly that way.

6. More "The Day After Tomorrow" fast forwarding. I could have sworn, when we started this post we were at day 1, and now, after reading this last line, it's like we are in night 4.

6.1 It just feels like undue pressure to something, quick. Ready. Fire. Aim. "" Do what I am telling you to do, if you don't already have a plan, and don't think twice about it. You can trust me. ""

There's the pseudo-loose-cannon that I know and love. Racc' Em Up™!

Seriously, though, this is a great in-depth case post for D1, and I kinda touched on some of these in my last post but the bluish highlighted bits especially align with my current thoughts.

Originally Posted by Pleonast

I am terrible at remembering others' pronouns, so no worries. My preference is also so slight as to be nearly non-existent. I've recently made it explicit in solidarity with those who do have strong preferences.

Ah yes, welcome to the "People With Special Pronouns Who Constantly Forget Others' Pronouns" club. It's a small club and it sucks, but hey, it's home!

Originally Posted by guiri

The grouping of Maha with Sea Serpent for the last game, then multiple people questioned them, they came back with fluff and no response. Feels like either distancing or smudge on Sea Serpent, so keeping an eye on them.

Meh. I personally think it's mostly still-fresh salt spilling over from last game. We can't expect everyone to let go of old BS on the same timescales, after all. I can kinda-sorta understand the Sea Serpent angle but I tend to think he's pretty pure so far, and hasn't dwelled on Vanta's attacks like he would have if it was wolf theater. Granted, it's mostly gut feels and I am kinda biased towards SS's general style.

Originally Posted by Sea Serpent

I did no such thing.

@Sea Serpent
Ah yes, this is a bit of a terminology mix-up; "ping" in the IM/UR universe doesn't usually mean "mention" like on the outside, it means "to catch one's attention", usually in a suspicious manner unless they specify with "townping" or "scumping" or similar.

Originally Posted by guiri

Had Kai been protected that Night, and Maha shot elsewhere, that person’s opponent would have lost. Had Kai been protected and Maha shot Kai, Kai would have died the following Night. The plan was fine, Sea Serpent did the right thing, Maha just went awol.

If we really wanna relitigate this, the proper thing to do would have been to have SS protect me, Maha forced to kill MHaye or Hooker, and whichever team's MM got screwed by the kill, they just axed the other team's Godfather at the end for their alternate wincon.

But that didn't happen, and that's not what we should be talking about, is it?

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Yes ma'am.

This game: My #1 suspect is Pleonast. #2 is Mahaloth, for vanilla claim, and also a bit because of the Pleo non-vote joke vote.

The theme may be cheap beer but it's never too early to WIFOM.

It's an easy thing to say, but still, props to LF for saying it.

Mahaloth's been a tough nut to crack for me so far, not saying you're wrong about it specifically, but moving on can only help to develop that read since he won't be able to hide in reactions anymroe.

Originally Posted by Plumpudding

Salads appear on all ground I walk. I think I need an update on preferred pronouns, if people have them, since I've been away for a while. Otherwise I'll just call people 'they' I guess-

Good basic practice.

Here's a guide to my most preferred ones, but they/them is also fine. (Honestly it's just "headless" they/them that inflects as singular, initially intended to write my character in stories because mixing multiple "they" entities of different multiplicities gets real confusing, real fast.)

[Kaiveran]

Hmm, I think that about do's it for now.

how i'm feeling now

I currently like: Sea Serpent (just like the cut of his jib, Pleo response especially gives my gut warm fuzzies), Mendie (#28 and the list-post matches my fond memories of wolf-hunting procyonids, mindmeld takedown of Pleo)

I slightly townlean: plumpudding (I've seen convincing fake "drunk" gambits before, but the general thrust of the spam seems to indicate hunger for leads), Vanta Black (more presence and marginally more content than LF)

I have no idea about: LightFoot (here now, but precious little in the way of actual content), Mahaloth (one OMGUS saga does not a read make)

I am mildly suspicious of: guiri (gut read on that opening), Pleo (weird assumptions, and their big theorypost + P1 convo might pair them with guiri)



I'm gonna hit the hay for now, not sure how much I'll be on top of things tomorrow (workday) but I'll definitely be here Friday for EoD.

[Kaiveran]

Oh, and...

Originally Posted by Sea Serpent

I see. If you sea sea serpents by the seashore it must be that you are the one seen on the seashore because sea serpents do not seem to seek sealessness, preferring to be seen in icy seas for to see, you see.

[Plumpudding]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

Good basic practice.

Here's a guide to my most preferred ones, but they/them is also fine. (Honestly it's just "headless" they/them that inflects as singular, initially intended to write my character in stories because mixing multiple "they" entities of different multiplicities gets real confusing, real fast.)

Thanks! I can see why 'they/them' can get confusing. In Norwegian we now have a standard non-gendered pronoun in 'hen'. My brother (we have talked about 'brother' and they are fine with that) and their boyfriend are both trans and I have to admit I trip up at times, by just being so used to addressing they (my brother) as him, but I do try to make a conscious effort of addressing people by the pronouns they identify with rather than my own preconceived notions I guess.

Anyway, back to the game. I'm not gonna park my vote on Sea Serpent. I like serpents in general, both marine and terrestrial. I may not like them as much as octopuses, crows, goats and tortoises, but they are cool.



I will have to go back and read I think. It's Day 1, never much to go on, but I like to have at least some kind of reasoning behind my votes.

Kai or someone else, could I get a condensed run down on Pleo? I not sure I quite get it.

[Plumpudding]

NETA: reasoning behind my votes nearing EOD, at least

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

#2 is Mahaloth, for vanilla claim

for implicit claim of not being vanilla town.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Sea Serpent

I didn't ping you. Whether you imagined a ping or made the whole thing up is still to be determined.

This is an odd exchange.

First, a weirdly passive statement by Plumpudding. Then, a denial by Sea Serpent of something Plumpudding didn't say, because of that weird passivity.

Still trying to decide which of these two is my second Scum candidate.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

Hmm, there might be a bit of culture clash going here, because this is a very common type of setup across different communities/traditions of IM/UR. Although it usually comes with a "Night 0 Peek" if you're not MU – wherein the Cop is informed of a random Vanilla Townie at the start of the game. That would probably been better by GB standards, but woulda coulda shoulda, meow.

Maybe not a culture clash, but definitely a dialect gap. Can you write out what you mean by "IM", "UR", and "MU"?

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

A Cop Cover strategy can also improve our chances, and I can go into the details of such toDay, if you wish. That also requires cooperation.

I wouldn't mind such a strategy, but players around here are too risk-averse for it.

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

First off, we are objectively not "at endgame" already. We can afford to whiff on our votes twice before we're in ELo. Considering that's also the total number of wolves, and most games give you at least one more misaxe, we are down a cycle or two, but that's not quite the same thing.

Again, a dialect gap, since I'd say we are objectively at end game, given that we're at two Scum remaining. We're almost out of runway. Usually once you're down to two Scum, you've had multiple reveals, multiple Days of votes, reads, and interactions. Scum would be pinned into a small box and the game is over except for the shouting. Here, we have the same short runway, but no extra information, so we're in a difficult position.

Maybe I should've said something like this earlier:

Originally Posted by Pleonast

We're basically in end-game right now, but without the accumulation of information from earlier parts in the game. Small games are inherently difficult to balance.

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

And none of this analysis accounts for the Cop possibly carrying a confirmed innocent with them to F5, which is a HUGE boon to town win chances.

Meh. I post what I think is helpful and omit what I think is not. Complaining that someone else didn't post the analysis you wanted to see is rather overdemanding.

Also, I have no idea what "F5" means. Can you spell things out?

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

Also, multiple players being against the multi-vote/second-choice strat? Last I checked, the only one who gave you lip in response to that post was Sea Serpent. Hardly a huge problem for (no offense).

Sorry, that was in reference to previous games.

[guiri]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

Hmm, I think that about do's it for now.

how i'm feeling now

I currently like: Sea Serpent (just like the cut of his jib, Pleo response especially gives my gut warm fuzzies), Mendie (#28 and the list-post matches my fond memories of wolf-hunting procyonids, mindmeld takedown of Pleo)

I slightly townlean: plumpudding (I've seen convincing fake "drunk" gambits before, but the general thrust of the spam seems to indicate hunger for leads), Vanta Black (more presence and marginally more content than LF)

I have no idea about: LightFoot (here now, but precious little in the way of actual content), Mahaloth (one OMGUS saga does not a read make)

I am mildly suspicious of: guiri (gut read on that opening), Pleo (weird assumptions, and their big theorypost + P1 convo might pair them with guiri)



I'm gonna hit the hay for now, not sure how much I'll be on top of things tomorrow (workday) but I'll definitely be here Friday for EoD.

I won/t argue with a gut read, but weird assumptions and game theory is scummy? Feels like you suspect a Pleo case will get some traction. And, apart from almost always randing scum, town-reading/snuggling Mendie seems to happen every game. You're my #2.

Originally Posted by Plumpudding

Thanks! I can see why 'they/them' can get confusing. In Norwegian we now have a standard non-gendered pronoun in 'hen'. My brother (we have talked about 'brother' and they are fine with that) and their boyfriend are both trans and I have to admit I trip up at times, by just being so used to addressing they (my brother) as him, but I do try to make a conscious effort of addressing people by the pronouns they identify with rather than my own preconceived notions I guess.

Anyway, back to the game. I'm not gonna park my vote on Sea Serpent. I like serpents in general, both marine and terrestrial. I may not like them as much as octopuses, crows, goats and tortoises, but they are cool.



I will have to go back and read I think. It's Day 1, never much to go on, but I like to have at least some kind of reasoning behind my votes.

Kai or someone else, could I get a condensed run down on Pleo? I not sure I quite get it.

A mix of now showing his homework, posting game theory, possibly encouraging or requiring players to vote the most (=least) popular candidate over their own personal convictions, and some fatalism regarding us being at end game while only in D1. I think that's the case.

Originally Posted by Pleonast

for implicit claim of not being vanilla town.

That's a stretch, right?

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

In fact, lettuce break the ice by revenge piling on him for funsies.

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

Did you unvote somewhere? The vote counting robot did not pick it up so it seems you're still voting Mahaloth:

Originally Posted by Vote Counting Robot

Vanta Black (2): guiri (65), Pleonast (111)
Mahaloth (1): Plumpudding (15)[30], Kaiveran (17)
Kaiveran (1): Mahaloth (22)
Pleonast (1): Mendie Taoma (73)
Lightfoot (0): Plumpudding (38)[66]
Mendie Taoma (0): Plumpudding (32)[37]
Sea Serpent (0): Plumpudding (101)[109]

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Kaiveran

A Cop Cover strategy can also improve our chances, and I can go into the details of such toDay, if you wish. That also requires cooperation.

Have never understood this so-called "cop cover" although it's been talked about. Seems to involve herding cats. That never seems to work.

Oh goody, I love wine and foam parties!

Why do you have different words for everything?

and holy mother of spam. slow your roll a bit, eh plum-person?

Nah step on the gas, it's all good.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Pleonast

for implicit claim of not being vanilla town.

Oh come on. This is not an implicit claim of anything. There was a point on this board, not so very long ago, when an experienced player told me that claiming early as vanilla town was a big no-no. Has that changed?

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Plumpudding

Kai or someone else, could I get a condensed run down on Pleo? I not sure I quite get it.

I am someone else but I don't think a condensed rundown on Pleo is possible and I think you have played with Pleo before.

My gut read is that this game Pleo is being disingenuous, particularly with the "what does the cop do?" post. As we say here, it pings me a bit. The performative OMGUS after I said Pleo was my top suspect also pings me.

[Vanta Black]

So there's this cop/doc/kill thing I think is very helpful. We don't have a doc or a vig but do have a cop so it could provide some guidance there.

Investigate: Mendie, she's making entirely too much sense in this game!
Protect: Plumpudding, no particular reason, just a gut feeling
Kill: Well obviously at some point unless something changes this has to be Pleo for me.

I don't really like doing a town-to-scum listing this early in the game but I haven't changed my feelings on Mahaloth, and would like to see more content from LightFoot, who has posted a lot but without a lot of content.

Will be back later, probably, but this is where I stand for now

[Plumpudding]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

I am someone else but I don't think a condensed rundown on Pleo is possible and I think you have played with Pleo before.

My gut read is that this game Pleo is being disingenuous, particularly with the "what does the cop do?" post. As we say here, it pings me a bit. The performative OMGUS after I said Pleo was my top suspect also pings me.

yes okei every gNe

[Plumpudding]

Game

[Plumpudding]

No har tapstalkvshhor fivk anyway..

Mendi is town. Bang.!

Kai isunnp
Biois weird
But pleo is weirder

[Plumpudding]

So i think Best buy is pleo or lightfoot

[Plumpudding]

No!

[Plumpudding]

Fuck the copkillshit who cares milli vanillirub omg wtf

[Plumpudding]

Im drink again

[Plumpudding]

Ok . Sea Serpent is the best. I hate(love) you... Sea Serpent!

[Plumpudding]

[Plumpudding]

No maha is

[Sea Serpent]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Oh come on. This is not an implicit claim of anything. There was a point on this board, not so very long ago, when an experienced player told me that claiming early as vanilla town was a big no-no. Has that changed?

Why do you think it is "a big no-no?" What experienced players advise is not relevant and you are not a newby anymore.

[Plumpudding]

eh...

[Plumpudding]

Oh pasta!

[Kaiveran]

I read up to mid this page earlier but didn't get to finish my post about it and we are absolutely slammed at wotk holy shit

Igive me your blessings to not pass out from hyperthermia

In the meantime

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Oh come on. This is not an implicit claim of anything. There was a point on this board, not so very long ago, when an experienced player told me that claiming early as vanilla town was a big no-no. Has that changed?

You’re digging the hole deeper.

[Pleonast]

Originally Posted by Sea Serpent

Why do you think it is "a big no-no?" What experienced players advise is not relevant and you are not a newby anymore.

Worryingly close to my thoughts. You ought to get that checked out.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Sea Serpent

Why do you think it is "a big no-no?" What experienced players advise is not relevant and you are not a newby anymore.

I don't see a lot of players here doing it though. I haven't seen anyone else in this game make that claim. But then owing to issues with compost I have mstly been on mobile this game so could have missed it.

[LightFoot]

I spent the day job hunting- the rules have changed UGH
I have no clue what the current vote count is

I want to vote Pleo
I will

He seems off for even for Pleo

[LightFoot]

I am trying to focus - re reading is in my immediate future.
and perhaps trying to decipher "drunk"* posting
that is weirding




*_{is it really?}

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by The Mighty Quinn

...Day One ends at 2 pm US Central time (1 pm Eastern) Friday, April 14.

GO!

Isn't...2pm Central...3pm Eastern? This has confused me (and I am trying to figure it out in Mountain which aargh math just post a countdown timer what?
)

[Vanta Black]

And I'm not even drunk, unfortunately.

[LightFoot]

Originally Posted by guiri

I disagree about Plum.

Do you still?

[Mendie Taoma]

Checking back in. Gonna see what I can do here, in the next 55 minutes I have.


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OOG

BEST EPISODE OF PICARD, EVER, FOR THE ENTIRE SERIES.

Spoilers, and I mean, HEAVY spoilers for PIC S3 E9

Shaw, in his dying breath "The ship is yours now, Seven."

[LightFoot]

Plum When /if you sober up can you please decipher your last string of "drunk" posts.

I don't have the patience to look- but it seems to me that the majority of Plum's posts are nonsense under the guise of intoxication.

[Mendie Taoma]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

So there's this cop/doc/kill thing I think is very helpful. We don't have a doc or a vig but do have a cop so it could provide some guidance there.

Investigate: Mendie, she's making entirely too much sense in this game!
Protect: Plumpudding, no particular reason, just a gut feeling
Kill: Well obviously at some point unless something changes this has to be Pleo for me.

I don't really like doing a town-to-scum listing this early in the game but I haven't changed my feelings on Mahaloth, and would like to see more content from LightFoot, who has posted a lot but without a lot of content.

Will be back later, probably, but this is where I stand for now

So, I did skim this while at work today, and I wanted to comment, if I do nothing else with the limited time I have left for today. [And by that, I mean, "Thursday" the 13th, even if it is 00:14 on Friday, as I type.] I obviously, didn't think it would be prudent to "Answer" to it, while on the clock, dodging customers at my register.

"" Investigate: Mendie, she's making entirely too much sense in this game! ""

So. About this. I have been trying to work on myself. In some places [Gender Questioning] this is more apparent, than in others [Hopefuly my Mafia play can catch up].

I'm not sure if pointing this out is "good form" or whatever, or if pointing it out, "kills" it, much like a goose laying golden eggs. My desire to have a numbered outline was always there, and I tried in previous games to try versions of it.



I'm just not sure what to add to the claims that I be investigated. We don't need that Wine.


Plumpudding You are razor thin on getting me to switch votes. Of course yours [as of now] would be a policy vote based on the spam. I'm not sure what else, all, to say here, and I recognize it is in poor form to vote you, just for that, but it is up there.

At present, I still feel better served with my vote where it is.


Not that we are taking votes on who to investigate, but, well, there is a reason I bring this thought up, immediately after the above two paragraphs.

Especially with all of the grudge / joke / immediate aftermath of the previous game still in the air, I'm not too sure D1 is going to be much more productive. The odds, and the fact that this is Mafia after all, kinda telegraph to me, that we are going to lose one of our own tonight. In the midst of all of that, I don't really want to change what I have.

Hopefully, we have a solid direction come D2.



Not to put too fine a point on this, but I wonder if we won't have too fine of a point on our game by then.

No _real_ reason to believe that this game is gonna have curveball. Really, there isn't.

But, even in games that are played straight, curves appear. Hurleys get shot. Captains fail to proofread maths. A Cluster of people go off and do the same things, all at once, orchestrated with each other, or not.

[Dammit, I needed a third thing here, and I can't Hi Opal out of it either, --- I'm just saying Real Life has been known to screw games up before. [Games Won and Lost, because either Scum Team voted for someone, all at once, or Townies _not_ voting at all ] I'm not hiding anything, and while I may be known to have my head in the clouds, I am trying to stay with me feet on the ground here. In so many words, Buckle Up / Bumpy Night. ]

Just, I hope Day 2 can be day 2, and not more day 1. That Drinks and Grudges can be checked.

As I mentioned, Real Life is going to get me, here, and now, as it is. Further, I think I'm just over the point of digression.

[Vanta Black]

Replying to Mendie, but without quoting.

1. It is not a CLAIM that you be investigated, it is an opinion, it could change. And it's only me, no one else did that particular mental exercise, and some players actively seemed to hate it.

1.a. (Well I guess if it was written down it wasn't just mental.)

2. Fuck numbered outlines.

3. Who is your choice to be investigated?

4. Real Life gets us all, not just in the end, but all the way.

2.

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Plumpudding

No har tapstalkvshhor fivk anyway..

Mendi is town. Bang.!

Kai isunnp
Biois weird
But pleo is weirder

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Plum When /if you sober up can you please decipher your last string of "drunk" posts.

I don't have the patience to look- but it seems to me that the majority of Plum's posts are nonsense under the guise of intoxication.

It is my contention that eventually all of Plumpudding's posts taken as a whole will form some sort of pattern of coherent opinion on the game.* I am struggling to believe Plumpudding is scum because scum would be more careful. There is content there though.

*As always I could be dead wrong

[Vanta Black]

Ugh, in my earlier post
compost=Compost

And in another the post directed to Mendie there is a hanging 2 that should not be there wtf

[Vanta Black]

Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Ugh, in my earlier post
compost=Compost

And in another the post directed to Mendie there is a hanging 2 that should not be there wtf

COMCAST

I'm not even drunk. Maybe I should be.

[Plumpudding]

119: Ok
120: Correcting typo, was on phone.
121: Super town read on Mendie, turning around on Kaiveran, Sea Serpent is weird but Pleonast is even weirder.
122: And I concluded best vote would be Pleo or Lightfoot (I'm kinda confused by the inclusion of LighFoot myself. )
123:Somthing happened, but I can't remeber.
124: I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
Skipping 125
126Reaffirming my appreciation of serpents.
127: Voted Maha
127: Disagreeing with my own vote.
130:unvoted Maha, wanted a vote down so I just plonked it on guiri, contradicting my earlier statement about wanted at least some kind of reason for a vote.
131: Dinner number three is ready.



Now that I'm sober... the case on Pleo is Pleo is weirding you out? I'm always weirded out by Pleo so I'm not sure I'm swayed. I'm not sure I see how he's being extra weird this game.

Reading over my own posts, I'm actually coming around on my vote on Maha again. He's been pretty anonymous this whole game, with only post of note being an omgus vote on Kai.



I'm off to work, I'll pop in a bit later and hopefully now and then during the evening. I'll try to reign in my spam, sorry. I'm trying to get some kind of grip on this game.

[Plumpudding]

Originally Posted by LightFoot

I am trying to focus - re reading is in my immediate future.
and perhaps trying to decipher "drunk"* posting
that is weirding




*_{is it really?}

Originally Posted by LightFoot

Plum When /if you sober up can you please decipher your last string of "drunk" posts.

I don't have the patience to look- but it seems to me that the majority of Plum's posts are nonsense under the guise of intoxication.

I don't like these posts. To me they read like someone is looking for an easy wagon.

[Plumpudding]

NETA: well, maybe more like preparing for a future wagon.